FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

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Definitely don’t want this change and especially on my copper that I ordered.

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Firelight2 wrote:
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Two years in the making and less than two months before the changes start. Hmm.
To be fair, Lumintop delivered what was requested for the Group Buy.

Any changes they make after the group buy is done is up to them.

So I ordered my second FW3A with SST-20 emitters during the group buy (I used the code I was originally sent).

Will it come with the original setup OR the new plastic one? Does anyone know for sure?

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SamHaLeKe wrote:

Hi Neal, jus to let you know I don't accept this for my ordered copper version (order 5240) and would rather have the original Carclo Optics 10511 with AR Coated Glass (just like the original version please). Thank you!

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Same here. My order was for an Aluminum SST-20 (Order #5214 06/13/2019).  Need the Carclo Optic and Glass Lens. That is what the website showed and what I AM expecting. 

I’m sorry for the issues you have to put up with from Lumintop. You are in a bad place with us. Lumintop should make it right. Thanks for the heads up too !

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@PBWilson, probably not, at least until someone receives one.

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Does anyone remember the good ol’ days, when all we worried about was a bunny on our switch cap? Wink

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sad to see Lumintop save on parts to make more profit

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I mentioned it before – if the new optic was discussed before the SST20 model came out, with a, “Hey, all the SST20 models will have this optic and as of x date so will all of them”, then fine. But you place an order with the assumption that the only change will be the emitters, and then a few days later get told that there’s a difference…

If we can be assured that all preorders will have the original optic setup, then I’ll stay. If not, I’m out.

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cabfrank wrote:
Does anyone remember the good ol’ days, when all we worried about was a bunny on our switch cap? Wink

Indeed Big Smile
My main concern is the driver, any other parts are fairly easily changed but if they cut any more costs there it’s harder to fix.
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Firelight2 wrote:
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Two years in the making and less than two months before the changes start. Hmm.
To be fair, Lumintop delivered what was requested for the Group Buy.

Any changes they make after the group buy is done is up to them.

No… Lumintop has not delivered what was requested in the Group Buy. The SST-20 version was/is outstanding.

And yeah, after the Group Buy is over….. they are free to change, cheapen, or screw it up any way they desire; as stupid & sad as that may be. . Sad

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“Screw it up…stupid & sad…”

Yep.

I guess Lumintop quickly forgot how much effort and development was put in to this project, at no cost to them.

And, if CRX says something is harder to fix, it surely doesn’t bode well for most of the rest of us.

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Yeah.

The SST-20 was part of the group buy.

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I guess I should cancel my order. I mean, I’m just a filthy muggle and everything. I have one decent SK-68 clone which I ran with for like a year, gave no kind of crap about how I treated it, dropped it, put sharp objects in my pocket at the same time, and it only has one scratch on its plastic lens. But the concept of letting a bunch of people review something and then make unannounced detrimental changes no matter how slight is a bad thing.

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Yeah this is a major bummer. I’ve got a small stockpile of Carclo optics so I was looking forward to easy swap outs for playing with beam patterns but this completely changes that if this change is permanent.

If it is I’ll still probably get the sapphire lens but that’s far from ideal.

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Yep.

Not only is an all plastic optic+lens combo much more scratch prone, but the problem with the sapphire optic is that it’s less optically efficient than glass ones.

While an AR glass lens might achieve 98-99%+ optical efficiency, a sapphire one might only get 90-92%.

So, if we take the 2800 lumens number:

2800/0,98 = 2855 lumens
2855*0,9 = 2570 lumens

That’s quite the lumen loss.

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If there is absolutely nothing that Neal can do for all the (pre)orders already being made for the copper version, I'll swap all the 'cheap crap' out my FW3C version and replace it with the original pieces from my FW3A version. Then I'll have the 'downgraded' FW3A as my go to EDC 'beater flashlight' and the 'upgraded' FW3C for collecting purposes, problem solved Big Smile

Although I truly hope that Neal can arrange with Lumintop that for everybody who already made a (pre)order for the copper version, it will effectively ship with the Carlo Optics and the AR coated glass lens, as it was stated on his website when we where making the (pre)order ... And to be honest, a shiny special copper version with 'cheaper' optics and plastic lens will not fit right, especially considering the higher price tag it comes with Wink

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Speaking of lumen loss, the lumen rating should be shown at checkout where one selects the emitter. If the 219C is 2600 lumens and the Cree 3D is 3300 lumens, that’s a bit of a difference in lumens, as well.

I remember when I first got into photography. Everyone was going apeshit for putting a UV filter over their lens. “It’s a $2000 lens, you should protect it.” But even the really, really nice UV filters were noticeable. I always, on telephoto lenses, just used a hood and no filter.

But I went ahead and requested the order canceled. I was going to upgrade to the Cree but the fact is I don’t really need this light. If there’s any reason it’s not as good as what other people have gotten I just don’t even want it at all, even if I wouldn’t care about the difference.

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trakcon wrote:
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…FW3A with the rather exotic SST-20 led in FA3 tint, and Sapphire lens…

djozz, have you been happy with the sapphire lens in your FW3A? Any issues with it being too fragile or reduced transmittance?


No issues with the sapphire lens, but I’m not exactly abusing the light.

I do not really understand the bad reputation of sapphire. My daily watch has a sapphire lens for 7 years now, and it is a common product for watches. It is larger and more exposed than the FW3A lens and I sometimes hit hard objects with the watch with no problem. And I like that it does not show one single scratch after all these years.

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Until we start doing FW3A infrared mods. Come on Blue!

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Yeah, sorry contactcr.

I completely forgot that the future of lights are main white LEPs along with infrared aux LEDs.

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I realize that Neal is put in a bad position, but I feel that the switch in spec is not worth it for me. I have a handful of different Carcio optics but I understand none will work without the glass lens. That’s not worth it for me and I can’t be bothered to source my own.

I have emailed Neal about my wish to cancel the order if it comes with the new optic without AR glass lens. Hopefully he will respond soon with news that the most recent FW3A orders will come with the Carcio/AR glass or new optic.

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While I would prefer the glass lens+carclo optic combo, I’ll happily order even with the new optic.

Fortunately, I already have a supply of Carclo 10507 optics and compatible AR-coated glass lenses from flashlightlens.com.

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Nothing from flashlightlens.com looks like a perfect fit. Close, yes, but the measurements I’ve seen reported for the FW3A are 23×1.5mm. It will work, but I’m not sure the waterproofing will be perfect.

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Er, not seeing 23×1.5 on flashlightlens?

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The time has come to resign a FW3A….
I was thinking of buying one SST-20 and one LH351D…
One FW3C that I already had in the cart…

I also think that for the next BLF project you should look for another manufacturer. A change of specifications on the fly and without notice… :-/

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Firelight2 wrote:
To be fair, Lumintop delivered what was requested for the Group Buy.

Any changes they make after the group buy is done is up to them.

None of the SST-20 group buy lights have shipped yet.

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It would be nice if Neal could provide a date when these changes started and if it actually applies to orders made before the changes were known. I dont think it should be “okay” for them to make changes to what we ordered.

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It would be nice if Neal could provide a date when these changes started and if it actually applies to orders made before the changes were known. I dont think it should be “okay” for them to make changes to what we ordered.

Agreed. All orders placed before Lumintop changed the decscription on the order page to remove glass lens really ought to ship with the glass lens plus Carclo optic. Hopefully this change will only apply to orders after Lumintop announced the change.

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Firelight2 wrote:
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It would be nice if Neal could provide a date when these changes started and if it actually applies to orders made before the changes were known. I dont think it should be “okay” for them to make changes to what we ordered.
Agreed. All orders placed before Lumintop changed the decscription on the order page to remove glass lens really ought to ship with the glass lens plus Carclo optic. Hopefully this change will only apply to orders after Lumintop announced the change.
Hopefully…. time will tell I guess.

I imagine Neal is as surprised & disgusted by this change Lumintop decided upon as most of us are.

I feel bad for Neal that Lumintop placed him in the lurch like this. It sux. Sad

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Yep.

Not only is an all plastic optic+lens combo much more scratch prone, but the problem with the sapphire optic is that it’s less optically efficient than glass ones.

While an AR glass lens might achieve 98-99%+ optical efficiency, a sapphire one might only get 90-92%.

That’s quite the lumen loss.

I wonder if Neal can also offer a standard AR tempered glass in addition to the sapphire AR one? They exist, as they’re on the original… unless they were custom cut.

Firelight2 wrote:
While I would prefer the glass lens+carclo optic combo, I’ll happily order even with the new optic.
Fortunately, I already have a supply of Carclo 10507 optics and compatible AR-coated glass lenses from flashlightlens.com.
Closest I could find on that site is 22.61mm x 1.90mm. There’s also a 22.61mm x 0.95mm, which I guess could be useful for adding a GITD o-ring. There’s also a Borofloat Lens option too… which is similar to Pyrex with better clarity, but has a 5% transmittance loss over UCL.
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