Yep, always that compromise. I bet a dedomed SST-40 would be quite the thrower.
I’d also be interested in knowing the approximate throw in meters.
Just a quick interim update:
What's the difference between Bistro and Bistro OTSM?
That's a question only Lexel and maybe some people that have dealt with the Bistro HD/OTSM source code may be able to answer. Again, I strongly encourage Lexel to chime in and eventually give us more insight as it's crucial to finalize the manual. He has been contacted and asked to reply to those questions mentioned before.
What are the estimate beam distance throw (candela) for the SST40 version and the XPL-Hi version?
I wish I could tell you - or even better - incorporate them into the specs chart. However, Jacky is unable to measure accurate numbers as LS does not have the tools for it. They were never faced with this requirement before, working as a 3PM for multiple brands. They are willing to invest into such devices for future projects, though. AFAIK, there was no prototype available yet that someone from BLF/TLF could have tried out. I'm afraid we need to wait for some BLFers to report their results once they received their lights. Another option would be to send out some more ready-to-manufacture samples to people who have the right equipment but I don't expect this to happen at this point of time.
Currently, there are some loose ends to tie up but hopefully these can be sorted a.s.a.p..
I’m pretty sure the different Bistro versions are just hardware related to how it handles the timing of button presses and stuff. I don’t believe it will make any difference to the end user as far as the user interface goes.
I think both version will perform fairly similiar shouldn’t be much of a difference between the XPL-HI and SST40.
Do you mean throw? In lumens the SST is spec’d a lot brighter.
Yea sorry in throw they should be similiar i think.
Sorry guys for answering so late but some personal stuff came up today. Thanks to Lux-Perpetua for jumping in. And i can not say more than he already said about the questions. I talked with Jacky about the option to measure the output. . . but his boss is still not sure if its profitable for him to make their own lights.
If we can make it a success he will be willing to spend more and then we maybe get the infos. But thats something we can discuss if this is going well.
I hope Lexel will answere a few more questions about his driver so we can get everything ready. The factory is working on the D80 right now in night shift to get everything ready for sale. And if everything goes well they could be ready in 4-5 days.
If i can not get the driver information soon the manual has to be printed without them. Not what i would like to do but they also can not send the light out without a manual.
The original FET driver with Bistro showed a glitch when going high power, like a triple or quad or even the more power hungry SST40 ( which can go over 9A). The driver would not hit Turbo but instead would bump down to level one. I believe the OTSM is a revision that corrects this problem for error free use under high current draw. I seem to remember this but could be wrong.
Many of my early Bistro triples and quads in the X6 had this issue and there were a few ways to address it on the original boards, some quite tedious. This, fortunately, should no longer be a problem after Del and possibly Lexel used oscilloscopes to identify the problem and create revisions to the board design.
The firmware is mostly untouched from v1.7.1 flintrock
Modegroup is 4 with Turbo in the regular mode loop, while normal Bistro has MG12 with hidden turbo (long press from Moon, which also works in MG4)
Lexel can you provide a few more infos abou the driver?
1.Polarity Protection Yes or No
2. Overtemp protection and at what temp Or does it use stepdown (timecontrolled and when yes after how many seconds)
3. LVP at what voltage
4. Driver Name FET+5+1?
5. Bistro UI chart 100% usable for Bistro OTSM?
Makes Bistro sound plain and simple, when in fact it’s far from that…
OTSM as explained by Flintrock himself HERE
And TK’s Bistro Manual… the “plain” Bistro
The Bistro normal UI is copied from a listing made by CRX, thanks S. 
1. Its standard Bistro driver so yes
2. standard Bistro Temp setup
3. 2.7V Bistro standard
4. I count 6 AMCs total and see a FET
5. standard Bistro with triple v1.3 plus
Lexel,
I'm grateful for your support in this project and I think I can speak on behalf of the entire BLF/TLF that we all greatly appreciate your contribution. However, it would be much more helpful if you gave us some more detailed answers than the ones we see above. Please keep in mind that not only LuckySun's success is at stake but also every buyer's satisfaction with the BLF D80 V2. We need to get the manual finished by yesterday, so we are a bit in a hurry. Therefore, please have a look onto the following questions and reply as distinct as you can once again:
- Does this very driver has overheat protection?
- If so, at what temperature? (what is "standard bistro temp setup"?)
- Is this driver a FET+6 or a FET+5+1 driver? Do all AMCs run on only one channel?
- In terms of the UI and usability: Is there any difference between Bistro and Bistro OTSM and if so, is the UI chart (see some posts above) affected, so that we cannot use the Bistro chart for this flashlight?
- Will the temperature calibration (i.a.w. with the manual Dale kindly posted above) also work with Bistro OTSM?
Thank you very much!
1.+2.
- the driver has Bistro temp sensing, needs to be calibrated by user, there is a default of like 50°C but the MCUs spread up to +/-20°C
—> 5+1
Mode groups:
- TA made those as far as I know
If I say Bistro standard it means it’s all in the topics related to the firmware
The only difference to TA or OTSM is default Mode group is set to 4
Jacky has already printed the last draft version. So that's the version you will get along with your flashlight. I have supplemented the latest information Lexel provided yesterday and created a final version of the manual. This one will probably be shown on LS's website on AliExpress. You can also download it for more convenience from my Google Drive Sharepoint.
Hi Lux-Perpetua, appreciate your efforts in writing this Wildtrail D80v2 manual.
In the last part, is this a typo? “B duilding” or is that “B Building”?
I asked about the battery previously, but am not sure if there’s a possible answer — regarding the SST40 version, it says not to use >10A high-drain 18650s.
Does that mean, using a fully-charged high-drain battery (eg. 30Q or VTC6) will definitely burn out the LED when going to Turbo mode?
I’ve been running SST-40’s on FET lights since the 40 became available, using the hottest cells I can find. Have yet to blow an emitter but have seen them draw over 9A regularly. Doubt you’ll have to worry about which cell to use…
Like DB Custom said. Most SST-40 can even handle 9A. The led should survive even a high drain cell. They tested with a fully charged 30Q. We tried to limit the current arround 7A with the 30Q.
But its a commercial sold light and by recomending to not use a high drain battery gives them a bit more safety.
For the SST-40 version they are not using the spring bypass to keep the current down. And not using a high drain battery should keep the current also in a save reagion.