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Lumintop FW1A Update: product listing is up

Update: Product page is now live on Neal’s store.
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As soon as I found out the FW3A was coming out, I was hoping a single emitter variant would be made. When I found out Lumintop was manufacturing the light I got super excited – if there’s one thing I took away from the BLF GT, it’s that Lumintop isn’t shy about making variants of their lights. I’ve been pestering Neal and Lumintop ever since, and a few days ago Neal finally shared some pictures in his group, and announced this should be coming in the next month – so I think it’s safe to share. Who else is excited for it?


The head is slightly lengthened to fit the reflector, but everything else is the same. The renders show an OP reflector.
Now that the product page is listing, emitter options include SST-20, 219C, and XP-L Hi

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A cheaper and better HDS

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twisted raven wrote:
A cheaper and better HDS

Well, I don’t necessarily think that’s fair. Cheaper, of course, but better depends on your needs. This certainly won’t have a rotary interface, and as well as my Lumintop lights have been built I have no doubt that HDS can manage somewhat better quality and warranty support for the prices they charge – so I’m not sure about better.
I would be comfortable saying cheaper, brighter, and more modification-friendly, sure.

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Yup, super excited for this one. Possibly more so than the FW3*. I think they need to add a bit of extra detail/knurling to the extended head though but that’s nit-picking.

Shorty tubes will most likely be compatible too.

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Looks amazing! Will the bezel and reflector be available as standalone parts? Or just as a complete/built light?

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Binford wrote:
Looks amazing! Will the bezel and reflector be available as standalone parts? Or just as a complete/built light?

Aside from constantly annoying Neal, I have no inside information – but I would guess only as a complete light. To install it on the FW3A you’d have to drill new holes in the shelf for the leads, which is a bit silly to expect customers to do. Considering how few people will be willing to drill and solder their own lights together, I would be surprised to see a kit.

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Been watching this on FB, going to be a must have! Would have liked to see a TIR to help keep the length down.

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Thank you for the feedback. I assumed the same, just thought a question wouldn’t hurt due to the strong modding community on here. I also believe the absolute number of people who are willing to “share” a FWxA host in order to run two different lights would be small.
You don’t actually save that much time or money if you have to desolder the mcpcb in order to run a different head/reflector.

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mattlward wrote:
Been watching this on FB, going to be a must have! Would have liked to see a TIR to help keep the length down.

I don’t think the extra length will be an issue at all – the current FW3A is one of the shortest 18650 lights ever, and a bit of length may even help with the ergonomics for some people with bigger hands. I can only think of Fenix that’s using those strange ultra short TIR optics, are there others? Or more readily available options?

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This and the 18350 tubes is good news.

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Binford wrote:
Looks amazing! Will the bezel and reflector be available as standalone parts? Or just as a complete/built light?
Aside from constantly annoying Neal, I have no inside information – but I would guess only as a complete light. To install it on the FW3A you’d have to drill new holes in the shelf for the leads, which is a bit silly to expect customers to do. Considering how few people will be willing to drill and solder their own lights together, I would be surprised to see a kit.

The larger bezel + head without the led and driver portion would something to nag lumintop about.

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I need someone to describe why they prefer a single emitter light over the three. I don’t understand, especially the one expressed desire that an optic was preferred? Just curious.

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I need someone to describe why they prefer a single emitter light over the three. I don’t understand, especially the one expressed desire that an optic was preferred? Just curious.

I just wrote this on reddit so I’ll paste it below:

Overtly floody beams are sort of a luxury. Indoors, or at very close distances, they take the guesswork and effort out of having to direct a light and choose where it’s pointed. Working under your sink? Perfect, the entire cabinet is daylight now. So what’s not to like?

If I’m carrying a single EDC light with me, I want it to be versatile, and I realized just how single-purpose floody beams were when we were walking the dog at night, and my wife saw a bird in the middle of the river and wanted to know what kind it was – so I put my Astrolux S43 on turbo, with well over 1000 lumens, and got a great look at… small particles in the air. The light wasn’t able to get about 25 feet away effectively, even with the battery-draining excess of full FET – something that a simple Convoy S2+ could have easily done on most of the lower modes.

Take that same S2+, or this Unicorn, and it will get to the middle of the river and beyond with ease. If I find myself in the cupboard looking for a leak, it can do that just fine too. On the off chance that I find it too throwy, I can diffuse it or ceiling bounce – but that’s almost never required.

Like I said earlier, there’s a point where this isn’t the case anymore. Something like a C8 really doesn’t cut it for walking around at night, because the hot spot is too intense, and it’s nearly impossibe to see what’s up ahead on the trail and watch my feet at the same time. But for me, even the Dobermann Pro with a 34 mm head and a domeless LED is perfectly fine for ‘general’ use. And there are times when I want an extremely floody light – mainly for hands-free applications, like a headlamp. But for a straight-bodied light, a 1” reflector or optic is pretty much the sweet spot for me.

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MtnDon wrote:
I need someone to describe why they prefer a single emitter light over the three. I don’t understand, especially the one expressed desire that an optic was preferred? Just curious.

I find that sometimes to much flood an be a bad thing. If you are trying to focus on one thing in one general direction a little bit of focused light works very well. Small reflector lights have a decent amount of spill and generally a decent size hotspot, triples and quads just tend to blast light forward with no real aim… other than forward. I mentioned TIR because it will give you some control, measured in degrees, where the majority of the light will go. With a reflector, you do not gain that control.

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OK, I asked. I find a TIR with some flood like the FW3A is more suited for most of my wants than any reflector light. I use other lights when I want less flood. Just my type of use, the way I like. It’s a good thing there are lots of lights to choose from. Smile

I always have my FW3A in a pocket.

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Almost perfect. Don’t want orange peel. I want to see a 300M rating in a 4”-100mm package. Fix mm

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Oli wrote:
Almost perfect. Don’t want orange peel. I want to see a 300M rating in a 4”-100cm package.

OP reflectors have been shown to have a pretty negligible impact on throw, while cleaning up any artifacts in the beam – so I’m more than happy with OP.

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Check out the Fireflies E01.
It is a single emitter. Not a flood, not a thrower, but the single emitter with the (TIR?) optic has a nice narrow beam that throws very well. And handles heat a lot better than the FW3 design.
I ran a test last night and put the E01 into turbo for 90 seconds. Never stepped down, temp was 46 C.

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scosgt wrote:
Check out the Fireflies E01.
It is a single emitter. Not a flood, not a thrower, but the single emitter with the (TIR?) optic has a nice narrow beam that throws very well. And handles heat a lot better than the FW3 design.
I ran a test last night and put the E01 into turbo for 90 seconds. Never stepped down, temp was 46 C.

Totally different light. A 34 mm head is a bit large for EDC, and it’s 20% longer than the FW1A. Really it’s pushing the boundaries of an EDC, and closer in size to the Dobermann Pro – not to mention that I don’t trust their build quality one bit.
Also, saying a FET light ‘never stepped down’ doesn’t really jive with me – of course it did. It stepped down just as fast as the cell voltage did which, on turbo, is not insignificant.
It’s pretty clear from Maukka’s review that the fireflies lights are in a different size class altogether.

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That is an EO7 in the pic.
I do not pocket carry lights, these work will in a small belt holster.
The E01 is a bit bigger than the FW, but it also uses a 21700 5000 Mah battery, so you get longer run times.
Always lit switch
If you can’t see it step down, it didn’t step down.

And I don’t know how you can say “build quality” with a straight face.
I have 4 of the FW3, and not one of them worked out of the box (they all work now after reading like 2000 posts about how to get them to work).

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A quad or triple TIR could work still if the optic is made for a very narrow beam. Smaller die size emitters, like the “White Flat” can make a very intense hot spot with plenty of throw in a triple or quad TIR.

Still, this isn’t that. Single emitter reflector lights can be nice too. And for some people, they hit the sweet spot for EDC. It’s good to see the FW1A being developed. I wonder what Fritz thinks of this.

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DavidEF wrote:
A quad or triple TIR could work still if the optic is made for a very narrow beam. Smaller die size emitters, like the “White Flat” can make a very intense hot spot with plenty of throw in a triple or quad TIR.

Still, this isn’t that. Single emitter reflector lights can be nice too. And for some people, they hit the sweet spot for EDC. It’s good to see the FW1A being developed. I wonder what Fritz thinks of this.


I wonder what Fritz thinks of a lot of things. Has anyone heard from him?

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scosgt wrote:
That is an EO7 in the pic.
I do not pocket carry lights, these work will in a small belt holster.
The E01 is a bit bigger than the FW, but it also uses a 21700 5000 Mah battery, so you get longer run times.
Always lit switch
If you can’t see it step down, it didn’t step down.

And I don’t know how you can say “build quality” with a straight face.
I have 4 of the FW3, and not one of them worked out of the box (they all work now after reading like 2000 posts about how to get them to work).


Interesting points.
At this point, I wouldn’t trust the “build quality” on a Fireflies or Lumintop light if I haven’t dis- and re-assembled them myself, checking everything. Honestly, my Zebralight SC62 is the only light that I both carry regularly and haven’t completely broken down and re-assembled. I guess my Olight S1, but I almost never carry it.

To me, 21700 is too large for EDC. 26650 as well. I’ll barely carry S2+, and less and less often the more I have gotten used to my smaller lights. So it’s mostly “compact 18650 or smaller” for my pocket. If I’m specifically going “outdoors” for something, that’s another matter, and I’ll gladly carry larger lights. If you’re carrying with a holster, that definitely changes the equation though. I can see the E01 being a lot more appealing then.

As far as “seeing” step-down, I don’t think that’s fair. Zebralights are able to step down gradually enough to not really be noticed, especially when factoring in how your eyes adjust. My SC62 can’t maintain it’s highest mode for very long for thermal reasons, but I never notice it dimming.

For me, the FW3A, FW1A, and EDC18 all miss the mark. The FW3A is too floody for use outdoors… my D4 is too, but it holds a higher output better (and has more power to begin with) to brute-force the throw to around a small parking lot distance. But even my 10250 light will be more useful at range than triples/quads. I think even my E2L generally out-throws my FW3A, come to think of it, though it does have the narrower optic if memory serves.
The EDC18 is just a worse D4 IMO. The switch still protrudes, it’s not as bright… It’s cheaper? It’s even uglier.
And the FW1A, for all its Anduril loveliness, will still lose EDC privileges in my pocket to either an SC62 or a simple 3-mode with a tail switch. One is smaller, and the other both won’t activate accidentally and is simpler to use, which I find myself preferring more and more in my EDC.

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Fritz Works…really ? When the 2 most important aspects of Fritz’ design were dropped early. Facepalm
I’m disappointed to see that Lumintop and Neal are continuing to make further declinaisons/changes to the FW3A without consideration for people who signed for THIS.

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bmengineer wrote:
Oli wrote:
Almost perfect. Don’t want orange peel. I want to see a 300M rating in a 4”-100cm package.
OP reflectors have been shown to have a pretty negligible impact on throw, while cleaning up any artifacts in the beam – so I’m more than happy with OP.

I totally agree, in non dedicated throwers I always prefer an OP reflector, it smoothes the beam a lot and difference in throw isn’t appreciable by sight

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scosgt wrote:
That is an EO7 in the pic.
I do not pocket carry lights, these work will in a small belt holster.
The E01 is a bit bigger than the FW, but it also uses a 21700 5000 Mah battery, so you get longer run times.
Always lit switch
If you can’t see it step down, it didn’t step down.

And I don’t know how you can say “build quality” with a straight face.
I have 4 of the FW3, and not one of them worked out of the box (they all work now after reading like 2000 posts about how to get them to work).


Interesting points.
At this point, I wouldn’t trust the “build quality” on a Fireflies or Lumintop light if I haven’t dis- and re-assembled them myself, checking everything. Honestly, my Zebralight SC62 is the only light that I both carry regularly and haven’t completely broken down and re-assembled. I guess my Olight S1, but I almost never carry it.

To me, 21700 is too large for EDC. 26650 as well. I’ll barely carry S2+, and less and less often the more I have gotten used to my smaller lights. So it’s mostly “compact 18650 or smaller” for my pocket. If I’m specifically going “outdoors” for something, that’s another matter, and I’ll gladly carry larger lights. If you’re carrying with a holster, that definitely changes the equation though. I can see the E01 being a lot more appealing then.

As far as “seeing” step-down, I don’t think that’s fair. Zebralights are able to step down gradually enough to not really be noticed, especially when factoring in how your eyes adjust. My SC62 can’t maintain it’s highest mode for very long for thermal reasons, but I never notice it dimming.

For me, the FW3A, FW1A, and EDC18 all miss the mark. The FW3A is too floody for use outdoors… my D4 is too, but it holds a higher output better (and has more power to begin with) to brute-force the throw to around a small parking lot distance. But even my 10250 light will be more useful at range than triples/quads. I think even my E2L generally out-throws my FW3A, come to think of it, though it does have the narrower optic if memory serves.
The EDC18 is just a worse D4 IMO. The switch still protrudes, it’s not as bright… It’s cheaper? It’s even uglier.
And the FW1A, for all its Anduril loveliness, will still lose EDC privileges in my pocket to either an SC62 or a simple 3-mode with a tail switch. One is smaller, and the other both won’t activate accidentally and is simpler to use, which I find myself preferring more and more in my EDC.

I have been looking for the thread about different optics for the FW3. I think you can narrow the beam. I agree, for the same approximate output the FW is very very floody and the E01 gives a pretty nice throw, without a real defined hotspot. Does anyone know where I can find the differences in the optics for the FW3?

I don’t pocket carry because my pockets are full with gun, shield case, change, car fob etc. The FW3 in a small case is almost idea for EDC. The E01 does carry slightly bigger, but I find it to be a much better all around light.

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This will likely be my primary EDC for the foreseeable future. That will be in a nylon horizontal belt pouch-holster with a velcro closure.

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I imagine the beam on this will be similar to a BLF A6, depending on the emitter. I hope they go a little more throwy, maybe an XPL-HI, or something else throwy. I don’t think it will be bright enough (for me) with a SST-20, unless it isn’t a high CRI bin, and then it wouldn’t make sense anyway.
I hope they don’t make a reflector AND single TIR version, because then I will have to buy both.

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Well, that certainly sounds interesting. Not sure if I’d buy one but if the price is right I might consider it.
Personally I prefer a (narrow-ish) TIR over a reflector in an EDC so looking forward to some more information.

My FW3A measures 92.2mm long and the drawing shows the FW1A as being 100.7mm long > they’ve added ~8.5mm.
Carclo’s triples are 6mm so that’s ~14.5mm total.
At least there should be plenty of space for a TIR but it might end up needing a thicker lens or something to compensate.

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Another yay for the OP reflector. Small SMO reflectors tend to have a weird spot in the center of the hotspot, and/or excess rings around the beam. For larger SMO reflectors like the C8 the beam looks fine, so it just seems to be smaller ones.

I believe OP is better for a small light like this.

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