Similar Vf, similar output it seems. Tests will tell which is better. Cree is likely to offer CRI 68-70-80-90 while Luminus has 70 and prepares 95.
Cree is likely to offer many CCTs while Luminus is cool only and CRI 95 will be warm only, at least initially.
Any hints on die size?
I wonder how’s beam greenness…
All my Olights are waiting patiently for some high CRI goodness from either Cree or Luminus…
You honestly think they would make changes if a few enthusiasts stopped buying a few led’s? They literally wouldn’t even notice…
Any info on these yet ?
Wow, back to the old style?
The picture looks all yellow, but you can see the sides of the die, so there’s apparently no phosphor covering the whole thing.
Just seems the picture is all yellow (even the dome).
…or did they just adapt a picture of an XM-L2 ?
I hope they will use beefed up bond wires.
You can see in the tests that LEDs with bond wires increase in Vf when you push them hard.
Hopefully there will be an XP-G sized “new old style” one in the planning too !
You’re right. :person_facepalming:
Ah… 
any update?
Bringing this back up as we might be nearing launch of these emitters
Oh yeah? Heard anything recently?
There’s now a datasheet and a real product image and welight seems to hint that they are around the corner…
Very sparse information in that preliminary datasheet. Don't get too excited anyway… 
If you go to the Cutter website and check their blog post area there is a link for Cree PCT version four. It’s an xlxs file that has some early xml3 data in it. Power wise the xml2 has mostly the same performance except the xml3 is rated for five amps.
...and yellow phophrous around die...
Aweful. Still avoiding Cree big time
Not surprising that every new Cree LED has phosphor on the whole die. Not really needed. I’d like to know why they do that?
If you look at the data its could possibly be a 2500 lumen LED?
We’ll have to wait and see. I have low expectations for this. 2500 is possible, but any higher than that is definitely not going to happen IMO.
I that actually phosphor around the die? Doesn’t seem like it.
I can’t wait for it to show up with peak lumens a bit lower than Luxeon V and SST40, worse tint and tint-shift, and this long after those two emitters came out.
I’m not hoping that it is DOA, but rather just presuming…
It serves a purpose for them and the market somewhere along the line. BLF requirements probably didn’t make it to their product design planning… I bet it’s cheap. Probably one third of the sst40. And while operating within spec, it likely has overlapping performance. I’m guessing the phosphor pour is a product of cost down measures, and for some reason I don’t think it’ll have as adverse of an effect this time. Largely because of the elevated chip that seems not to be of the flipped variety, therefore minimal blue light should hit the surrounding phosphor. Additionally, this looks like a good slice and dice candidate.
I hope it finds a niche in BLF.