I’ve seen some decent led lenser clones before that actually are pretty close.
The zoom and flood worked the same, although there were more rings and aberrations and also the spot was not as tight.
Ok, if you find some that look decent build, and suitable for nodding the host, let me know.
I don’t care if it doesn’t look like a lender. All I care about is the focus lens and a decent quality host that takes an 18650 or similar lithium cell.
Similarly here, though I’m more oblivious to cell used.
It was many years ago I saw the post, either here or on CPF.
I would just search google for “led lenser clone review” or “led lenser fake” or “copy” or something like that, you’ll find what you’re looking for.
Problem is thats designed to take AAA batteries and not as easy to mod, also seems that they are only available on alibaba and their MOQ is 1000 units!
When there’s will sometimes there’s way. 
I see that you’re not impressed with this light…I’m not either, though sometimes 3xAAA lights can accept 21700 cells.
Another:
If I can find somewhere to buy one, I’ll grab one to try
If you find one, let us know. :+1:
Yes will do.
I cant find any model number about this, but will do some digging.
Reverse image search sometimes helps with such affairs.
Terrible? Maybe you meant terrific? I love it! :-))
It's the patent shitstem (and all around it) what needs to expire. It actually is a hurdle to development. 
Did some (mostly unfruitful) image searches in AliExpress with the preceeding alibaba torches, but found this:
Fairly cheap torch, may be worth a try. Driver size is a mystery, which given the two cell input (I'm sure you'll want to set some li-ion 14500s in) will need some special driver if worth the hassle.
I dont know anyone that likes the horrible square beam of an LED chip!
LED Lenser managed to pull this off with a perfect round dot in the middle when focused.
I cant wait to their patent expires. Anyone know when its due to expire? I think the life of a patent is 20 years typically, depending on the jurisdiction.
LED lenser have been around since 1993, but doubt they had LED lights until the early 2000’s so probably renamed the company at some point when LED’s came out and probably when they designed their “lenser” focusing.
Shame it only takes AA/14500 size batteries, that does not give you alot of options. You can get more capacity from an 18650 than 2x 14500.
Might be worth grabbing one to mod. I wonder if they make other sized lights?
I do. And I really don’t understand why people hate it so much.
I like TIRs mostly because their efficiency is higher when it matters more - to see far you need more light than to see close.
But they are physically larger, all that I tried so far don’t have as nice flood or intermediate beam (I’ll get a Led Lenser next month). I find both throw beams nice so here’s a draw.
Aspherics have better thermal connection between the LED and the shelf, they also have much more shelf space.
TIRs have shorter focal length and look nice with aux LEDs (though I’m yet to get a zoomie with them).
I’m yet to determine which I like better overall……
LED Lenser is still a TIR lens, its just designed to have the LED slide inside it for focusing.
TIRs are great, but as far as you say about focal length, they come in many different focal lengths.
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Im assuming 10 degrees is a more narrow beam and a 90 degree would be alot more floody.
These are non-zooming TIRs. Yes, 10 degree will have narrower than a higher degree one from the same family. But it’s not about a focal length, all TIRs from the same family tend to have it the same, unless manufacturer goeas as far as to optimize them for certain LEDs.
A buddy showed me the Coast G450 light that he picked up from Home Depot. Its the first time I got to look at the Coast adjustable TIR and it had a very nice flood and decent throw. I wish I had taken pictures of the beamshot. Sadly the flashlight uses 6xAA which is a no go, and I want to pick something similar that works with 18650 batteries. I found this thread, and it appears the Led Lenser’s TIR is very similar, if not superior to Coast’s. I’m not a fan of the standard zoomies, but I’d love to find a 1000+ lumen flashlight with Coast or Led Lender’s TIR at a reasonable price.
Same here.
The only other zoom system I’ve seen is the 2 element type seen on some fenix lights.
Does anyone know when led lenses patent expires?