Okay, okay…
Batteries used by another car manufacturer:
Seems like the top cells on the market (as of a few years ago) were these 26700s.
Why You Won't See A Koenigsegg Regera Super Battery In Your Car – www.APEX.one - YouTube “price is roughly 100 times higher” . Assuming 3.7V nominal voltage, 4.5kWh, 384 cells = 3167mAh per cell. Power output is 525kW meaning the discharge rate per cell looks to be about 370 Amps if my calculations are right.
Even if those cells aren’t at a nominal voltage, you’d need a whole order of magnitude’s difference to get to a “reasonable” to us amperage discharge rate.
Crazy
Wow… I had no idea lizards farted 
Maybe if we get enough in one sealed hydroelectric turbine… they could act as capacitors or something??? (ok, enough scotch for tonight maybe)
Oh yeah, absolutely.
q: Whut’s invisible and smells like mice?
a: Snake-farts.
Without attempting to be cynical, I do not think the majority of people have any interest in trees or forests or proprieties with trees, at least that is my experience when talking with people that have land propriety, apartments, businesses, etc.
There are unfortunately people that think deforestation of old forests is reversible by just plating trees, that in itself is flawed on a couple of levels, but I am not going into that matter.
Unfortunately I do not have pictures of most of the places I have seen, I know today if you do not have photos or videos it does not exist, but there still are examples of what I am saying with deforestation for making room for solar panels, except very little photos online, especially since does not stand well with the “green energy” label.
Ewww. Those look like big scabs on the earth’s “skin”.
Interesting article on Engadget yesterday.
Dyson finally unveils its canceled electric car
Of note (to me, anyway) was the bit at the end about how you need “a fleet of profitable gasoline cars and diesel cars to offset the ‘huge losses’ on every electric vehicle made.”
That’s true. The logistics and re tooling needed to build electric powertrains and the infrastructure are significant. This is why the major automakers still make gasoline amd diesel vehicles. Demand is still too low. Americans in particular won’t be willing to give up their Honda Civic that gets 400 mi to a $35 tank of gas effortlessly and runs for 180k miles. Or their Ford Superduty that hauls their toys. Tesla has a big corner of a small market. That’s what’s keeping them in business. As soon as Ford or GM or FCA develops, markets and mass produces an affordable electric car that matches Tesla’s cars for cheaper then that will change the game. But that’s years, maybe a decade off. I think the biggest innovation to electric vehicles is in electric motorcycles like the Harlwy Davidson Live Wire, but it’s around $30,000 still.
That’s what i was thinking, and that doesn’t even include any sort of charging network to make long distance trips, just the basic commuter car.
People feel like they must have an unlimited travel range, but what’s the reality of how far they actually drive every day, starting and ending at home? 40 miles, 50, 60?
Case in point. I have 2 cars. I drive about 20 miles per day average, my wife drives the other more. That would work with an EV, but I need 2. Now say I want to take off for the weekend or for several days into the boonies, I might drive over 100, maybe 200 miles. I drove over 200 miles one way last summer to SE Oregon with my Subaru wagon fully loaded with camping gear and my two kayaks on top. This was driving up steep hills (over Santiam Pass, up the Cascade foothills). Could a Tesla do that? I doubt it. Putting any kind of extended load on battery drains it fast (anyone who owns a high power flashlight kknows this).
If it could, how would I recharge it in the woods? An RV hookup maybe? What if one’s not available? So you see the conundrum of owning an EV. For a family, it almost means owning 2 or maybe 3 vehicles…a EV (or two) for around town, or a getaway vehicle with a gas or diesel engine for longer trips. That’s pretty expensive since you need to register, insure, store/park, maintain, etc. I think some folks would do really well with an EV. I know it wouldn’t work for me (at least now).
With a Tesla with extended range battery you may well be able to but you need to plan ahead to “top off” your charge before heading up hill. Tesla does have route planning apps/maps. A stop at the Woodburn outlet or down to Eugene before heading up Santiam should get you up and over the cascades. On long down hill runs your regenerative braking will help top off the battery. Not the most ideal but will work.
I went with a friend in their Tesla through the north Cascades highway, and you do get range anxiety when battery goes down. Even if the trip planner says you can make it. We took longer routes just to hit the superchargers. Think of it as an “extended” road trip. Also even without superchargers, many places do have AC power to connect and charge. Much slower than supercharging. Out in the boonies, you will be out of luck short of bringing a power generator and gas. 
LOL.
Depending upon if these weekend trips occur every weekend (52x a year) or a some lesser frequency, it might work out to just rent a suitable recreational vehicle, such as a van for trips to the beach, a jeep or suv for mountain trips, a large luxury diesel for cross country cruising, etc. You can even rent a truck at home depot for hauling stuff for home projects. Compared to the convenience, selection and ownership cost, an occasional rental is a good deal.
Tesla is a nice car but too rich for me, i’m driving a Mitsubishi iMiEV and my daughter drives a Nissan Leaf, lots of value left in used EVs (BLF forum after all). i use a 40V lithium pack for the lawn mower, weed eater, leaf blower, chainsaw. Don’t really miss the mess and smell of watered-down alcohol-diluted gasoline gumming up carburetors.
i’d love to get a solar roof, but the first thing BoneSpurs did when he got into office was put a 25% tariff on solar panels, then went to sword dance with the saudis.
This x100. When I worked at a Toyota dealership I HATED driving Prius Primes for this reason. You can’t set your cabin temp, fans, etc. without looking over at the center touchscreen. With physical controls you can do it solely by touch.
Not just annoying, but downright dangerous because stupid people will look at it while driving. OTOH, the fact that more controls like audio, bluetooth, etc. have buttons right on the steering wheel is probably my favorite feature that most newer cars have.
People do this all the time, rent trucks, cars, motorhomes, boats, jet skis, etc. It gets expensive though long-term. A guy I know has a Leaf (1st gen I think from 2012?). It goes realistically 65-75 miles before needing charged. The regen brakes are nice though when we drive up a mountain with steep hills going back down. The battery will be 39% at the top (hills kill the range), but back to like 50% at the bottom. Downside is it gets cold in there in the winter since the heater is used for mostly defrosting the windows. It eats the battery quite a bit!
Since few separate Tesla Motors from Elon Musk, let me start with stating I don’t agree with everything he says, but he knows how to build a killer car company.
I’ve owned a Model 3 from Tesla Motors for about a year and half, and it is the best engineered and best driving car I have ever owned, by FAR.
A Home Depot employee asked me last week “how long it takes to charge that”. The correct answer would have been, how long did our phones take to charge last night? Hell if we know, we just plug them in. At home.
As far as people’s fears the grid can’t handle them, you should know that you can set how fast they pull power. If you want it to sip power at 5 amps, no problem.
How many miles in a year and a half?
Until a vehicle has shown me it’s maintenance needs for 60,000 miles it means nothing.
Then the true cost of ownership becomes clear.
When they hit 150,000 it separates the men from the boys.
Yes, I pound the miles.
I didn’t know that this was a similar problem with the Prius. Thanks for letting me know. Hopefully Toyota & Tesla have done some focus group testing & learned about this usability flaw. Electronically mapped physical controls would be possible.
BTW, Elon Musk launched a huge cooperative to have many locations around the country install charging stations. It’s a very long way to go for a comprehensive coverage, but then so was PAVED ROADS! That took a long, long while. Many people tried to stick with horses. People forget…
8500 miles so far. From Tesla Warranty Protection (2024)
They all come with a 4 year/50,000 mile warranty
you can upgrade to a 8 years/120,000 miles
Body Rust Limited Warranty: 12 years or unlimited miles
It is well known that newer vehicles (made in the last 5 years) are designed to be throw away. They are engineered for efficiency, not longevity. Engine tolerances are increased to reduce friction inside the engine (and lighter oil, 0W-20 for example) so they wear out faster (start burning oil). They use complicated and expensive cvts instead of torque converter automatics or manuals. Again, more efficient. All the plastic parts (intake manifolds, valve covers, oil pans, throttle bodies, breather hoses, etc) may get you to 125k without cracking or warping, but maybe not. They’re putting the ECU and PCMs in the engine compartment now so if you get in a fender-bender and damage it, they total your car because it’s crazy expensive to fix. Not to mention all the computers controlling the interior/exterior lights, windows, seats, gauges, radio, safety stuff, stability control, brakes etc. New cars are nice and tech is cool, but I don’t like automakers forcing you to buy a new car every ten years because it’s really expensive to repair off warranty, or is falling apart. I think Tesla offering such a generous warranty is nice. I wonder what the limits are?
And especially nowadays that to be “green”, cars are being built with biodegradable(!) parts, panels, etc.
Mercedeses from the ’90s had biodegradable wiring. Yah, after a few years in the steamy hot under-hood environment, the insulation starts to crack open and crumble, letting now-nekkid wires to short out.
Wunderbar…
Oh yeh, I used to keep a set of plastic funnels for additives in the gas-tank, etc., and inside the car, not even in sunlight, they turned from a nice red flexible plastic into pale sickly pink “stuff” that crumbled at the slightest touch.
Now imagine your airbox or similar goodies behaving the same way.