Yeah, the most credible doctors and epidemiologists Iāve listed to in podcasts and interviews about this crisis are the ones that admit āwe donāt know yetā. Thereās one in particular who frequently says: āI know less about this virus now than I did two months agoā, and he always stresses the need for the medical community to be humble about admitting what they simply donāt/canāt know yet. Anybody (even medical professionals) that makes dogmatic statements with absolute certainty is not very credible.
Anywhere from 6:1 to maybe 24:1? If those estimates mean anything (and theyāve been done in enough states to support the overall thought), most people who get the virus never feel very ill; a lot of them probably never knew they had it.
I wouldnāt be surprised if Iāve had it. (And Iām over 60.) My throat felt scratchy a couple of times, and one of those days (just one) I felt really tired. Otherwise, fine. But I donāt eat junk food, not even very many processed meals. And I have been taking a multivitamin with chelated minerals for the last 25 years. So I never felt āat risk.ā
I wasnāt planning on it, but since you asked, I finally watched the entire video and took (lots of) notes. But now I donāt know whatās allowed in this thread anymore:
To be fair, controversial subjects were always against BLF rules.
Itās just annoying when people donāt follow rules, then the rules become stricter, which means the rules are being breached even more thoroughly and frequently that they get considered even less, which leads to even stricter rulesā¦ until almost nothing is allowed and virtually everyone is guilty.
I was weighing a response to some other posts too, but itās a tough call: either donāt respond and allow misinformation to go unchallenged which has substantial societal long-term risk, or respond and break rules. eg. the explicitly banned V-word has continued to come up.
The asymmetry of the situation rewards those who flout the rules.
Exactly, under normal circumstances I would have closed this thread a long time ago. But itās just such a massive event that has affected all of our lives in one way or another, and even if I were to close this thread Iām sure the topic would pop up elsewhere. At least here all the moderation difficulties are all in one place. Plus it feels kind of insensitive to the humanity to blanket-prohibit the entire topic. There have to still be personal experiences and news items that arenāt controversial, I think we can all agree that being sick and/or being out of work is a Bad Thingā¢. A lot of the stats and studies are also very interesting, if not necessarily accurate.
Entirely possible. I know people whoāve just been āfeeling downā, low energy, etc., so who knows if they didnāt pick up some bugs, fight āem off, and recover without even knowing they caught anything.
Hell, on a coupla occasions (before the heat kicked in), I fell asleep on the covers vs under āem, and woke up shivering, like actual full-body shivering. Got under the covers, eventually stopped shivering, fell back to sleep, woke up fine the next day.
Funny thing is, I hadnāt even gone out of the house but 3-4 times to quick shopping runs, so doubted I couldāve picked up anything except by licking the shopping-cart handle. :confounded:
Could I have picked up a light-enough viral load to ācatchā something but shake it off almost immediately? Yeh. Doubt it, but possible. Couldāve just been my thermostat dropping a bit too low during the night.
And therein lies the problem. Without a formal and reliable test, ie, none of this test-positive then test-negative then rinse/repeat a few more times, thereās no reliable way to know if anyone had it, fought it off, has antibodies, or could even pick it up again. We. Just. Donāt. Know.
And exactly like someone (gaaah, forgot whoā¦ djozz? ah, our very own sb) mentioned, those who seem most sure of themselves are typically the least trustworthy. Itās that phrase āI donāt knowā that leads people to learn.
So unfortunately, I get the feeling this plague will be around for a looooong time before anyone gets any meaningful (and correct) answers. And thatās only if politics and finances stay out of it. As long as The Authorities maintain the Official Narrative and other dissenting voices are dismissed or even censored, thereāll always be more questions than answers. More of We Just Donāt Know, yet Theyā¢ wonāt admit it.
And that can (and likely will) end up costing lives.
I dont know about anyone else, but I have trouble identifying the āproblemāā¦ā¦ maybe Ive contributed at timesā¦ā¦ I dunno. I just look at each user/post as a different person with their own opinion. That is all it is, an opinion. You cant look at opinions as attacks on how you feel about something. Ive learned from experience that few will agree with me and even less vice versa but the more input I have to work with, good & bad, the betterā¦. in order to justify my āopinionā.
I get that. I don't in the slightest envy your moderating role.
With 95.37% of all statistics being made up, sprinkled with assertions of motives, unsubstantiated claims of knowledge, logical fallacies too numerous to keep up with, "interesting" quickly morphs into "dangerous".
Some may argue "live and let live" and "to each their own". But in a society, "no man is an island", or individuals are not independent of each other. Others' views and behaviors end up affecting many others. Therefore, failure to address inaccuracies ends up harming not only those who hold them, but also oneself in the end.
How I wish this were not so; it would spare me a lot of effort.
but, lets not argueā¦
if I say something you agree with, go ahead and requote my brilliant contribution
if you cant resist being disagreeable, dont requote me in public
argue with me by PM :rage:
those are just the confirmed casesā¦ antibody testing is showing about 12x more people than confirmed cases, have corona antibodies. That means they had the virus within the past 2 months, and are have thus been part of vectors for community spread
I respect and admire you for having the courage to apologize for your role. I also apologize for acting like The Post Police.
This is some heavy stuff to digest.
I understand why people take vitamins but how do you know if the particular label is even slightly accurate? Who is testing the vitamin brands?
It seems to me that Vitamin manufacturers are no different than flashlight manufacturers, unless someone does a honest review, there is not even a slight guarantee about their product.
Are there any honest ones?
What about all these crazy numbers they donāt lieā
Numbers are nunmbers, , One thing I would want to know is how many people die in a hospital or nursing home presumably by the virus, Itās just like a black hole, if they go to hospital and no one will ever see these people again. No one who cares about you can visit, Families canāt visit, and nobody canāt witness the abuse and see how and whatās going on, no food no drinks, not even witnesses,
No one cares in the hospital, you are just a statistic, if a mistake happens, too busy to care, it was not anyoneās fault, it was the virus the deadly virus. If you are thirsty you might cough, if they donāt feed you, you might get weak, etcā¦ all valid symptomps of a virus. As you are about to die, you will experience Shortness of breath. Bingo!!!
It seems to be a very profitable way for hospitals to label everything as Coronavirus,
Anyhow
Man!! I miss this guy, canāt argue with him.