Exactly, under normal circumstances I would have closed this thread a long time ago. But it’s just such a massive event that has affected all of our lives in one way or another, and even if I were to close this thread I’m sure the topic would pop up elsewhere. At least here all the moderation difficulties are all in one place. Plus it feels kind of insensitive to the humanity to blanket-prohibit the entire topic. There have to still be personal experiences and news items that aren’t controversial, I think we can all agree that being sick and/or being out of work is a Bad Thing™. A lot of the stats and studies are also very interesting, if not necessarily accurate.
Entirely possible. I know people who’ve just been “feeling down”, low energy, etc., so who knows if they didn’t pick up some bugs, fight ’em off, and recover without even knowing they caught anything.
Hell, on a coupla occasions (before the heat kicked in), I fell asleep on the covers vs under ’em, and woke up shivering, like actual full-body shivering. Got under the covers, eventually stopped shivering, fell back to sleep, woke up fine the next day.
Funny thing is, I hadn’t even gone out of the house but 3-4 times to quick shopping runs, so doubted I could’ve picked up anything except by licking the shopping-cart handle. :confounded:
Could I have picked up a light-enough viral load to “catch” something but shake it off almost immediately? Yeh. Doubt it, but possible. Could’ve just been my thermostat dropping a bit too low during the night.
And therein lies the problem. Without a formal and reliable test, ie, none of this test-positive then test-negative then rinse/repeat a few more times, there’s no reliable way to know if anyone had it, fought it off, has antibodies, or could even pick it up again. We. Just. Don’t. Know.
And exactly like someone (gaaah, forgot who… djozz? ah, our very own sb) mentioned, those who seem most sure of themselves are typically the least trustworthy. It’s that phrase “I don’t know” that leads people to learn.
So unfortunately, I get the feeling this plague will be around for a looooong time before anyone gets any meaningful (and correct) answers. And that’s only if politics and finances stay out of it. As long as The Authorities maintain the Official Narrative and other dissenting voices are dismissed or even censored, there’ll always be more questions than answers. More of We Just Don’t Know, yet They™ won’t admit it.
And that can (and likely will) end up costing lives.
I dont know about anyone else, but I have trouble identifying the ‘problem’…… maybe Ive contributed at times…… I dunno. I just look at each user/post as a different person with their own opinion. That is all it is, an opinion. You cant look at opinions as attacks on how you feel about something. Ive learned from experience that few will agree with me and even less vice versa but the more input I have to work with, good & bad, the better…. in order to justify my ‘opinion’. 
I get that. I don't in the slightest envy your moderating role.
With 95.37% of all statistics being made up, sprinkled with assertions of motives, unsubstantiated claims of knowledge, logical fallacies too numerous to keep up with, "interesting" quickly morphs into "dangerous".
Some may argue "live and let live" and "to each their own". But in a society, "no man is an island", or individuals are not independent of each other. Others' views and behaviors end up affecting many others. Therefore, failure to address inaccuracies ends up harming not only those who hold them, but also oneself in the end.
How I wish this were not so; it would spare me a lot of effort.
I'm always right, you guys are always wrong, thanks!
Hey, wait a minute. We both can’t be right. LOL
Goodness me, could this be industrial disease?
What’s that? Dire Straits?
youre both wrong
Im right
lol
but, lets not argue…
if I say something you agree with, go ahead and requote my brilliant contribution
if you cant resist being disagreeable, dont requote me in public
argue with me by PM :rage:
those are just the confirmed cases… antibody testing is showing about 12x more people than confirmed cases, have corona antibodies. That means they had the virus within the past 2 months, and are have thus been part of vectors for community spread
I respect and admire you for having the courage to apologize for your role. I also apologize for acting like The Post Police.
Dire Straits .
This is some heavy stuff to digest. 
I understand why people take vitamins but how do you know if the particular label is even slightly accurate? Who is testing the vitamin brands?
It seems to me that Vitamin manufacturers are no different than flashlight manufacturers, unless someone does a honest review, there is not even a slight guarantee about their product.
Are there any honest ones?
What about all these crazy numbers they don’t lie”
Numbers are nunmbers, , One thing I would want to know is how many people die in a hospital or nursing home presumably by the virus, It’s just like a black hole, if they go to hospital and no one will ever see these people again. No one who cares about you can visit, Families can’t visit, and nobody can’t witness the abuse and see how and what’s going on, no food no drinks, not even witnesses,
No one cares in the hospital, you are just a statistic, if a mistake happens, too busy to care, it was not anyone’s fault, it was the virus the deadly virus. If you are thirsty you might cough, if they don’t feed you, you might get weak, etc… all valid symptomps of a virus. As you are about to die, you will experience Shortness of breath. Bingo!!! 
It seems to be a very profitable way for hospitals to label everything as Coronavirus,
Anyhow
Man!! I miss this guy, can’t argue with him.
Yes we can in our minds at least............. we both probably think we are right lol.
Polite Canadians. :+1:
Going to a nursing home would be like going to Gitmo…
Count me out.
And to add insult to injury, they were awarded legal immunity.
haha, thanks but I'm sure many here think I'm a dingbat.
Richard Kiel! He was actually a kind, gentle guy. But big, and could look scary as hell.
Yeah, count me out from the hospital experience, I’d rather die at home than suffer alone in an antiseptic room. My wife has been in the hospital a few times, and I really had to advocate hard for her on a few occasions. When in bad pain and on morphine, she couldn’t do that for herself. (Now she just about has a panic attack when simply driving past a hospital!)
All these covid patients alone, with no family allowed in there to chase after what’s best for them, that would be horrible.
Pennzy you nailed it. Watchdog got rabies, the foreman’s got fleas……