Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

Goodness me, could this be industrial disease?

What’s that? Dire Straits?

youre both wrong
Im right
lol

but, lets not argue…
if I say something you agree with, go ahead and requote my brilliant contribution
:partying_face:

if you cant resist being disagreeable, dont requote me in public
argue with me by PM :rage:

those are just the confirmed cases… antibody testing is showing about 12x more people than confirmed cases, have corona antibodies. That means they had the virus within the past 2 months, and are have thus been part of vectors for community spread

I respect and admire you for having the courage to apologize for your role. I also apologize for acting like The Post Police.

Dire Straits .

This is some heavy stuff to digest. :weary:
I understand why people take vitamins but how do you know if the particular label is even slightly accurate? Who is testing the vitamin brands?
It seems to me that Vitamin manufacturers are no different than flashlight manufacturers, unless someone does a honest review, there is not even a slight guarantee about their product.
Are there any honest ones?

What about all these crazy numbers they don’t lie”
Numbers are nunmbers, , One thing I would want to know is how many people die in a hospital or nursing home presumably by the virus, It’s just like a black hole, if they go to hospital and no one will ever see these people again. No one who cares about you can visit, Families can’t visit, and nobody can’t witness the abuse and see how and what’s going on, no food no drinks, not even witnesses,
No one cares in the hospital, you are just a statistic, if a mistake happens, too busy to care, it was not anyone’s fault, it was the virus the deadly virus. If you are thirsty you might cough, if they don’t feed you, you might get weak, etc… all valid symptomps of a virus. As you are about to die, you will experience Shortness of breath. Bingo!!! :sushi:

It seems to be a very profitable way for hospitals to label everything as Coronavirus,

Anyhow
Man!! I miss this guy, can’t argue with him.

Yes we can in our minds at least............. we both probably think we are right lol.

Polite Canadians. :+1:

Going to a nursing home would be like going to Gitmo…

Count me out.

And to add insult to injury, they were awarded legal immunity.

haha, thanks but I'm sure many here think I'm a dingbat.

Richard Kiel! He was actually a kind, gentle guy. But big, and could look scary as hell.

Yeah, count me out from the hospital experience, I’d rather die at home than suffer alone in an antiseptic room. My wife has been in the hospital a few times, and I really had to advocate hard for her on a few occasions. When in bad pain and on morphine, she couldn’t do that for herself. (Now she just about has a panic attack when simply driving past a hospital!)

All these covid patients alone, with no family allowed in there to chase after what’s best for them, that would be horrible.

Pennzy you nailed it. Watchdog got rabies, the foreman’s got fleas……

My first reply on this topic and please take it for what it is or feel free to ignore it… just trying to help.

Without going into it in great length… I have Lyme Disease. Contracted it in 2011, went to seven doctors, and spent about $14k (out of pocket, my insurance co. spent WAY more) after finally having the top infectious disease outfit in KC tell me… “go to Mayo.”

But the problem WITH Mayo is they have NEVER CURED a single case of chronic Lyme- nobody has. To confuse the issue the word Lyme is an extremely POOR name for a disease that is at least SEVERAL pathogens working together FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY (it’s called evolution and ALL life forms evolve— with bacteria being the FASTEST “evolvers” on earth BTW). Borella is only ONE of the pathogens that presents with Lyme… but there are MANY others that have literally joined forces to create the “Co-Infection” we generalize as Lyme today.

After a few years I FINALLY found Stephen H. Buhner’s book, “Healing Lyme Naturally” where I found a solution to managing my Lyme and I have become an alchemist in doing so. Like studying lights here and figuring out the good from the bad, it takes time to figure out what works for YOU. After nine years I have found what works for me and (for me) there has been no better source than Stephen Buhner and his excellent books.

To the point: Stephen released a FREE paper he worked on immediately after the Covid outbreak. He describes his suggested protocols in that paper. It is NOT a pick up the phone and order your “pill” proposal though. You have to do some work, and you have to understand the bigger picture to managing a chronic disease like Lyme you will never “cure” (and again, after the first 30 days without a MASSIVE antibiotic regiment… Lyme IS a chronic scenario”).

Now… with Covid: We can all agree there are many unknowns. But there ARE some herbs that block viral reception and others that support the immune system that can help with avoiding Covid. My wife and I tinctured a cocktail last month using this paper’s info and using some other herbs (than my Lyme herbs) that are not very expensive. I ADDED it to my Lyme regiment and she is taking the tincture along with more herbs we have found (through trail and error) that help her too.

We also wear masks, wash hands a lot, and we go out for minimal needs— but we DO go out and so having this protocol has been something we appreciate during all this “unknown”. In fact, we have found that there is OFTEN a better herb than pill for managing SOME our health as we get into our 50s.

It is NOT easy to study your health at this level, and it took me getting Neural Lyme to get started. But after a few years, a few of Buhner’s (and others) great books, and about 25 herbs tried (with about 10 or so found to be the best for me), I can say I suffer little today from what many people have died from (and Lyme is growing without any real research save for Johns Hopkins who finally started on it about 4 years back- waiting to hear from them still though).

Here is the link to the Buhner Covid 19 paper and it is NOT an easy read, but if you read it a few times and get the BASIC gist of what he’s saying… your paradigm shift will start and you’ll start to understand modern diseases better than a LOT OF DOCTORS. Not hating on medical professionals here either… we both go to our docs, get our check-ups, and some times there IS A PILL we need. But the stuff pills are made of often come in a natural form given you can find the right herb (and it is WAY cheaper— and more often better than SOME pills). With that said… most doctors out there are doing what they can and sincerely helping us the best they can. But there are many valid problems with modern medicine and pills - we all talk about them daily. So let’s please not argue about the medical establishment or my opinion here, ok? :stuck_out_tongue:

I delayed putting this up as I don’t want to get into any pissing matches on BLF and I am putting this up because it certainly has worked for me— and maybe someone here can benefit from it. Fair enough I hope. :beer:

Buhner Paper

Very well said. It also disturbs me a great deal. There are some people here who rail against the truth because it’s inconvenient, not aligned with their political interests, or they crave to be contrarian (soft trolling). I take the time to vet my sources. And YES, if I quote John Oliver, a comedian, I’m doing it for good reason. Oliver has become a political patriot. His messaging is artfully done to inform and entertain. He really strives for truth and I’ve confirmed this enough times that I trust him. There are some people here who latch onto a conspiracy theorist or fringe person with some medical background. Like you said, this goes beyond right or wrong position, instead being about fact vs. fiction.

Part of the problem is that, as some have pointed out, we’re STILL learning more & more about this virus as time goes on. This is not the influenza virus. And considering it like the flu is a tragic mistake (some politicians did this—major egg on face, now rotting). By the very fact that we don’t fully understand it, there are some important things we do know—it has a lifecycle. It can be killed. We COULD wipe it out, by simply stopping all transmission. And right now, that’s the most important defense we have, until a vaccine is discovered.

These are the “good” cases. You can’t judge the whole pandemic based on these two. There are many cases where even young people have suffered side effects from the virus that lingers with them for many months afterward, in some cases becoming a chronic condition they’ll like have for the rest of their lives. Regardless of the statistics on those cases, WHO wants to play ROULETTE with this virus? It’s not yet known what are the precise factors that will make one person get through COVID-19 like a flu, or end up with damaged lungs. This is dangerous. And the long pre-asymptomatic phase is turning this into a nightmare. USA had a surge of 50,000 cases in ONE DAY. This is like a reboot of the virus, like rolling back to February. And it will keep happening if people believe the hoax that masks are harmful & shouldn’t be worn. There must be 100% compliance. “But, my freedoms!” Screw it. This is not about freedom but about saving lives. Seriously—if we had a totally compliant lockdown for just 2 months, the virus would’ve been defeated. Dragging it on as we’re doing is costing us far more in lost revenue & lives.

To be fair, I can’t put all the blame on them, at least here in Noo Yuck, as they were forced to do so by politicians.

Dunno what happened in other states, though.

Yep. Take already immunocompromised oldsters, who are already under lockdown (no visitors, maybe just wave through the window), no exercise, no activities, no nothing (’scuse the double-negative). All they’re allowed to do is stare at the walls.

Now tell the nursing-homes they’re forced to accept even c19-positive patients. Wheee…

Nothing wrong with herbs, herbalists, or herbalism. Aspirin was derived from willow bark, digitalis from the foxglove plant, then you got echinacea, stinging nettle, all sorts of natural goodies.

In fact, some chiral compounds derived naturally (L- or D- version exclusively, whichever occurs in nature and whichever works) work better than those produced synthetically (racemic mixture of both L- and D-, or possibly just the “wrong” kind).

Been a long time since I dabbled with orgchem, but I recall enough to know that quite often the natural product is way better (more effective) than the synthesised one.

I totally agree that this virus is no joke, and I definitely would strongly encourage everyone to be well informed and find accurate sources of information. But I think we all have to admit that a flashlight forum isn’t the proper place to do that. It’s been pretty obvious since the beginning of this thread that most or all posters here had already made their determination as to what they consider to be legitimate facts almost from day one, and they will not be swayed. That’s why I mentioned yesterday that for the purposes of posting in this thread, the only thing that needs to be analyzed is the level of controversy around a certain opinion or fact, and if it’s likely to be disputed then please avoid the topic here. And then go and do your own diligent private research to find out the truth of the matter. :wink: Be safe everyone.