Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

Richard Kiel! He was actually a kind, gentle guy. But big, and could look scary as hell.

Yeah, count me out from the hospital experience, I’d rather die at home than suffer alone in an antiseptic room. My wife has been in the hospital a few times, and I really had to advocate hard for her on a few occasions. When in bad pain and on morphine, she couldn’t do that for herself. (Now she just about has a panic attack when simply driving past a hospital!)

All these covid patients alone, with no family allowed in there to chase after what’s best for them, that would be horrible.

Pennzy you nailed it. Watchdog got rabies, the foreman’s got fleas……

My first reply on this topic and please take it for what it is or feel free to ignore it… just trying to help.

Without going into it in great length… I have Lyme Disease. Contracted it in 2011, went to seven doctors, and spent about $14k (out of pocket, my insurance co. spent WAY more) after finally having the top infectious disease outfit in KC tell me… “go to Mayo.”

But the problem WITH Mayo is they have NEVER CURED a single case of chronic Lyme- nobody has. To confuse the issue the word Lyme is an extremely POOR name for a disease that is at least SEVERAL pathogens working together FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY (it’s called evolution and ALL life forms evolve— with bacteria being the FASTEST “evolvers” on earth BTW). Borella is only ONE of the pathogens that presents with Lyme… but there are MANY others that have literally joined forces to create the “Co-Infection” we generalize as Lyme today.

After a few years I FINALLY found Stephen H. Buhner’s book, “Healing Lyme Naturally” where I found a solution to managing my Lyme and I have become an alchemist in doing so. Like studying lights here and figuring out the good from the bad, it takes time to figure out what works for YOU. After nine years I have found what works for me and (for me) there has been no better source than Stephen Buhner and his excellent books.

To the point: Stephen released a FREE paper he worked on immediately after the Covid outbreak. He describes his suggested protocols in that paper. It is NOT a pick up the phone and order your “pill” proposal though. You have to do some work, and you have to understand the bigger picture to managing a chronic disease like Lyme you will never “cure” (and again, after the first 30 days without a MASSIVE antibiotic regiment… Lyme IS a chronic scenario”).

Now… with Covid: We can all agree there are many unknowns. But there ARE some herbs that block viral reception and others that support the immune system that can help with avoiding Covid. My wife and I tinctured a cocktail last month using this paper’s info and using some other herbs (than my Lyme herbs) that are not very expensive. I ADDED it to my Lyme regiment and she is taking the tincture along with more herbs we have found (through trail and error) that help her too.

We also wear masks, wash hands a lot, and we go out for minimal needs— but we DO go out and so having this protocol has been something we appreciate during all this “unknown”. In fact, we have found that there is OFTEN a better herb than pill for managing SOME our health as we get into our 50s.

It is NOT easy to study your health at this level, and it took me getting Neural Lyme to get started. But after a few years, a few of Buhner’s (and others) great books, and about 25 herbs tried (with about 10 or so found to be the best for me), I can say I suffer little today from what many people have died from (and Lyme is growing without any real research save for Johns Hopkins who finally started on it about 4 years back- waiting to hear from them still though).

Here is the link to the Buhner Covid 19 paper and it is NOT an easy read, but if you read it a few times and get the BASIC gist of what he’s saying… your paradigm shift will start and you’ll start to understand modern diseases better than a LOT OF DOCTORS. Not hating on medical professionals here either… we both go to our docs, get our check-ups, and some times there IS A PILL we need. But the stuff pills are made of often come in a natural form given you can find the right herb (and it is WAY cheaper— and more often better than SOME pills). With that said… most doctors out there are doing what they can and sincerely helping us the best they can. But there are many valid problems with modern medicine and pills - we all talk about them daily. So let’s please not argue about the medical establishment or my opinion here, ok? :stuck_out_tongue:

I delayed putting this up as I don’t want to get into any pissing matches on BLF and I am putting this up because it certainly has worked for me— and maybe someone here can benefit from it. Fair enough I hope. :beer:

Buhner Paper

Very well said. It also disturbs me a great deal. There are some people here who rail against the truth because it’s inconvenient, not aligned with their political interests, or they crave to be contrarian (soft trolling). I take the time to vet my sources. And YES, if I quote John Oliver, a comedian, I’m doing it for good reason. Oliver has become a political patriot. His messaging is artfully done to inform and entertain. He really strives for truth and I’ve confirmed this enough times that I trust him. There are some people here who latch onto a conspiracy theorist or fringe person with some medical background. Like you said, this goes beyond right or wrong position, instead being about fact vs. fiction.

Part of the problem is that, as some have pointed out, we’re STILL learning more & more about this virus as time goes on. This is not the influenza virus. And considering it like the flu is a tragic mistake (some politicians did this—major egg on face, now rotting). By the very fact that we don’t fully understand it, there are some important things we do know—it has a lifecycle. It can be killed. We COULD wipe it out, by simply stopping all transmission. And right now, that’s the most important defense we have, until a vaccine is discovered.

These are the “good” cases. You can’t judge the whole pandemic based on these two. There are many cases where even young people have suffered side effects from the virus that lingers with them for many months afterward, in some cases becoming a chronic condition they’ll like have for the rest of their lives. Regardless of the statistics on those cases, WHO wants to play ROULETTE with this virus? It’s not yet known what are the precise factors that will make one person get through COVID-19 like a flu, or end up with damaged lungs. This is dangerous. And the long pre-asymptomatic phase is turning this into a nightmare. USA had a surge of 50,000 cases in ONE DAY. This is like a reboot of the virus, like rolling back to February. And it will keep happening if people believe the hoax that masks are harmful & shouldn’t be worn. There must be 100% compliance. “But, my freedoms!” Screw it. This is not about freedom but about saving lives. Seriously—if we had a totally compliant lockdown for just 2 months, the virus would’ve been defeated. Dragging it on as we’re doing is costing us far more in lost revenue & lives.

To be fair, I can’t put all the blame on them, at least here in Noo Yuck, as they were forced to do so by politicians.

Dunno what happened in other states, though.

Yep. Take already immunocompromised oldsters, who are already under lockdown (no visitors, maybe just wave through the window), no exercise, no activities, no nothing (’scuse the double-negative). All they’re allowed to do is stare at the walls.

Now tell the nursing-homes they’re forced to accept even c19-positive patients. Wheee…

Nothing wrong with herbs, herbalists, or herbalism. Aspirin was derived from willow bark, digitalis from the foxglove plant, then you got echinacea, stinging nettle, all sorts of natural goodies.

In fact, some chiral compounds derived naturally (L- or D- version exclusively, whichever occurs in nature and whichever works) work better than those produced synthetically (racemic mixture of both L- and D-, or possibly just the “wrong” kind).

Been a long time since I dabbled with orgchem, but I recall enough to know that quite often the natural product is way better (more effective) than the synthesised one.

I totally agree that this virus is no joke, and I definitely would strongly encourage everyone to be well informed and find accurate sources of information. But I think we all have to admit that a flashlight forum isn’t the proper place to do that. It’s been pretty obvious since the beginning of this thread that most or all posters here had already made their determination as to what they consider to be legitimate facts almost from day one, and they will not be swayed. That’s why I mentioned yesterday that for the purposes of posting in this thread, the only thing that needs to be analyzed is the level of controversy around a certain opinion or fact, and if it’s likely to be disputed then please avoid the topic here. And then go and do your own diligent private research to find out the truth of the matter. :wink: Be safe everyone.

Up until very recently in human history, botanicals and mushrooms were THE medicine. Botany was required core coursework for MDs until the 50s. For thousands of years, we ate what grew in the yard OFTEN. So Modern pharmaceuticals are a NEW thing when you look at the whole timeline. What is most concerning is that our diet has shrunk to just a handful of the good things we used to eat (with a LOT of useless fillers now being served).

So a key point I got from Buhner is that “herbs” are FOOD we used to find growing in obvious places we learned about from our parents as children growing up. And we knew we had to have them for our diet and health so we kept tabs on it all back in the day (and we dried many for “teas”, spices, and winter stores). Another thing was that some just tasted bad :confounded: — but worked REALLY good!

I am AS lucky as it gets and I know it: I have an acre, a water well, solar PV system, good soil and I hunt and grow a very diverse diet of natural foods. I can about 150 qts. a year from the garden and freeze 150 lbs of wild meat a year. But I am the minority; I live in a Midwest town that is technically a “food desert”.

Your average person here mostly eats processed food so thankfully the work ethic keeps them in decent shape despite the not so great diet. But, like the rest of the US, the kids are not growing up like the parents. Obesity is as much a problem here as anywhere else, and they don’t have the work ethic of mom and dad.

Anyway, the point here is that we have lost some things to our modern life, and gained some too. But only you can decide own your health, and going to the vitamin store is pretty much a waste of time to me as most of the stuff they are selling is providing for expensive pee :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s a valid personal experience, jacktheclipper. Thanks for sharing. Nothing there to argue about (against the rules anyway).

Ingesting natural stuff is good for us. Except for drinking “Natural Light” beer … :smiley:

I hope you will be always ahead fighting that nasty lyme disease,
and thank you for the research paper , …wuf 80 pages of heavy reading. Will need to find a Latin dictionary :slight_smile:

Where would you find all these herbs with a reliable consistency and quality?

My only hope right now is selfhelp and experimenting with some Placebo 3 times daily after meals :frowning:

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Dr. Anthony Fauci sounded the alarm Thursday morning after the number of new U.S. coronavirus infections diagnosed in a single day surged past 50,000 for the first time Wednesday, setting a new record for the total cases reported in 24 hours.

According to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, the nation on Wednesday reported 50,203 new coronavirus cases, bringing the total to more than 2.68 million. The figure is markedly higher than the previous record of 45,255 cases, recorded last week on June 26.

Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the last several days have been the bleakest yet for the United States, where there have been more COVID-19 infections than anywhere else in the world.

“What we’ve seen over the last several days is a spike in cases that is way beyond the worst spikes that we’ve seen. That is not good news,” he said during an interview with BBC News that aired Thursday.

I don’t want to endorse one over the other, but a few are: 1st Chinese herbs, Green Dragon, and countless Amazon specialty sellers. IF you research some, you can find bulk deals- some right out of China/India are fine, others not. Again, it takes time. If you get to a short list, I’m happy to look it over and give you or anyone on BLF any sources afterward.

I HIGHLY recommend looking at Buhner’s books too. “Herbal Antibiotics” is a bible for me for the preparation of tinctures, concoctions, teas, and best methods in extractions.

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KN95 respirators: A KN95 respirator is regulated by the Chinese government; like an N95, it’s supposed to filter out at least 95% of small airborne particles. However, testing has revealed that the actual performance of many of the KN95s for sale in the U.S. “is all over the place,” and many are counterfeit, says Avilash Cramer, a doctoral candidate at the Harvard-MIT Health Sciences and Technology program and a volunteer with PanFab, an effort to address shortages of medical devices and personal protective equipment amid the pandemic.

While some counterfeits may indeed filter out at least 95% of particles, “some are catastrophically bad. Some are falling apart in our hands,” says Cramer, whose recent work with PanFab has focused on spotting and testing fake respirators. Trying to determine if a KN95 is counterfeit can be hard, he says, but here’s one telltale sign: If the packaging says it’s NIOSH approved, don’t trust it — because a U.S. government agency like NIOSH (the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) would not approve a mask made to another country’s standard. If you’ve got a KN95, Cramer says to check Appendix A of the Food and Drug Administration’s emergency use authorization to see if the model you have is authorized.

Bottom line: If you have a KN95, just know it’s possible you might not be getting nearly as much protection as you think. So be sure to keep up with those other habits to help keep you safe, including physical distancing. “Wearing even a genuine respirator doesn’t make you invincible, so those habits are good no matter what,” Cramer says.

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https://www.google.com/search?&q=Appendix+A+of+the+Food+and+Drug+Administration's+emergency+use+authorization

Thanks for posting this. Excellent points, because I’ve also run into this scenario of Chinese made products allegedly meeting a standard set by US or EU, and then actual adherence ends up unpredictable… not just by brand, but also within a brand or even a model (just inconsistent manufacturing tolerances and irresponsible quality control).

There are plenty of sites with the daily case counts and the curves which have been shown in previous posts.

It seems that much of Europe and the Provinces and Territories of Canada have past their peak and the case counts have moved them out of the top 25. Yet the USA has an accelerating curve with over 50k new daily cases leading the list.

What was done to quench this thing, how did they do it? And what do we need to do here to get these results? My home state of Alabanana has now beat out New York to make it into the top 10 USA list.

It’s gone from Bad to Worse—we’ve got to learn to do something different, and quick.

Pa. was experiencing low infection rates and then opened up blocks of counties according to the number of new infections along with other criteria. Now it is going backwards in some areas of the state. Too many people got the wrong idea that opening equaled problem solved, mostly young people but not just young people. I think this virus is also different in that the summer season has not slowed it’s spread. Its summer and people naturally want to do summer things and a lot of these activities involved group settings. Pa. just made masks mandatory in public. No, I don’t want a debate over masks. Just stating a fact. President Trump has actually endorsed masks this week. A good step.Nothing has changed since before stay at home was in effect . Caution is still advised and this needs to be shouted from the highest mountains. People are stubborn and need all the encouragement possible.

We are in the same situation right next door in Mississippi
Just to keep from saying “I told you so” …. Ooooppps :person_facepalming:
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…… just saying :beer: :beer: :beer: …… we really need a doobie emoji :confounded: :beer: