Searching for compact thrower with best size-range ratio

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Searching for compact thrower with best size-range ratio

Hello. I’d like to ask for help with choosing pocketable, long range flashlight. For now I preselected two models which are noctigon KR1 and manker U 22 II. First is really handy and still benefits from W1 option, but 18650 cell and constant beam intensity of 275 lm are its disadvantages for me. On the other side there is a manker which is more bulky, but I’d still call it “compact”. It has W1 and significantly more range in turbo mode and long-term brightness is about 400 lm. Serious downside for me is it’s strange UI and I’m not sure paraistic drain. (all infos taken from 1lumen.com reviews site).

I’m looking forward to any tips or other flashlights propositions and thank You in advance Smile

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Acebeam E10 for a short stubby pocket thrower, or for 18650 the Acebeam L17 the tir optic really puts amazing throw on these two lights

I’m glad I’m not the only flashlight collector out there, I was beginning to think I was strange.
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I have the Manker U22 II and can reassure you that IMO Manker really nailed it this light in terms of driving the W1 to its max and also quality of reflector. It is definitely heavily built but the upside is good thermal properties which translates to slower step down. I seem to remember that the UI is better than some of their older lights with Strobe now split off from the light levels rotation.

My Acebeam E10 is a lot more pocketable, but with the TIR, the beam is less impressive than U22 II, but surely wins in terms of size/ throw.

Although not yet confirmed, I think the Acebeam L17 is using a Osram W2 and if you are concerned about low lumens with the Osram emitters, this may well be the answer to that concern. Have a look at the Flashaholics review on YT and you’ll get a sense of the intensity of the beam.

Overall recommendation (purely speculative): Acebeam L17.

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Wowtac is too weak toy for me.

I haven’t heard about this Acebeam to be honest, probably because of its recent release, but performance seems to be really nice.

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LEP flashlight like the Acebeam W10 have the best throw to size ratio.

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Enderman wrote:
LEP flashlight like the Acebeam W10 have the best throw to size ratio.

I know, but price…

0oklight wrote:
Although not yet confirmed, I think the Acebeam L17 is using a Osram W2.

I found info that LED used in this flashlight is W1, but dunno If this site can be trusted.
https://flashlightchart.com/acebeam/acebeam-l17-l17-676

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Maybe consider the KR1 in another emitter type such as the XHP35.

The Lumintop FW1A may be interesting as well.

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From what I know of.. this would be my list

Convoy M2 w/ WF1 and 5A driver – 90Kcd and ~$30. Truly pocketable. Not the most straightforward to get focused/assembled tbh, but worth it in the end.

KR1 with WF2 —- thicker than the M2 and about the same range but more lumens. E-switch and off the shelf easy. Desperately needs a new clip design though…

L17 —- Don’t own one nor even seen a review but I have an ET G25C2 I’ve modded with a LEDIL IRIS and WF1 and it’s a slick 130kcd thrower with a beam wider than you’d expect for a 1mm emitter. Should be equivalent.

C8+ with WF1—- Hard to find love for C8s anymore. But some see close to 200kcd and it’s one of the best reflector to bezel diameter ratios out there, still.

Haven’t handled any of the 50mm class of reflectored lights other than my old Jacob A60 running a WF1 and making ~240kcd. I’ll tell you though it’s a very serious light. Compact yes. Pocketable? Not for me.

I personally find most everything between ~35mm and ~50mm awkward and they rarely get used. Not comfortable/practical to pocket and then not big enough to get the performance you expect from a shelf queen (throw-wise). If you wear a holster or tool/duty belt then this goes out the window, but I never do. YMMV.

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I did lots of research a few months ago to find the best pocketable thrower here: https://davestechreviews.wordpress.com/2020/06/05/in-search-of-the-best-...

You can see the full spreadsheet with more details here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zH-QmRR25dJrj5l9aOG9cmHZUEhJaovS...

I went with the Manker MC12, partly due to price.

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What is the best size / range ratio? Isnt it typically the larger the size the greater the range?

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I don't know how far it throws, but my compact thrower of choice is the BLF-D80v2.

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Thanks for Your interest in this topic and all served propositions, I really appreciate that. Smile

First of all- I don’t aim in all those finger-sized toddlers nor modified ones, even if they offer best size-range coefficent, because I need flashlight with tight beam and defined spot (dont really care about considerable spill) which makes at least above 100 kcd (ofcourse more is better), so things like FW1A, S2 etc. are not my cup of tea.
My personal definition of pocketability might differ from generally accepted one. It doesn’t have to be super tiny. It should just fit my rather not very huge hand, and when put in a holster or a pocket won’t feel like pear or child’s head under my coat, and same as before- more compact size is better here. I’d prefer slim head (that’s why at first I mentioned KR1, and I’d choose it over MC12), but if torch would be particularly efficent- I’m willing to loosen this feature (that’s why I added U22 II and this whole my embarrasment exists Big Smile )

I’d really want to consider LEPs, but my pocket is not so fat :D. Could’t find specific info about range/candela number of BLF D80V2.
For now I’m adding L17 to my list of choise next to the KR1 and it will actually take manker’s place though.

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What about The Noctigon K1 with white flat?
It’s a fair amount larger as the KR1, but it comes with an awful lot of throw.

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Yokiamy wrote:
What about The Noctigon K1 with white flat? It’s a fair amount larger as the KR1, but it comes with an awful lot of throw.

Man, You can’t even imagine battle of thoughts in my head when I saw first reviews and beamshots of this gem. I’d like to have one, ofcourse, but I know that it will become toy on my shelf at the moment. Maybe someday, but not for now.

@up: same situation, just too big.

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The Acebeam K30-GT would be my choice for a compact thrower.

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GTmicro. You ain’t gonna get any “compacter” than that.

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If you ask ‘BEST SIZE TO RANGE RATIO’,that no doubt the thrower will be LEP.State your budget so that members can definitely help you.
If you ask me,I like c8 size thrower.Cheap host,cheap parts and cheap everthing.

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jojosupir wrote:
If you ask me,I like c8 size thrower.Cheap host,cheap parts and cheap everthing.

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I agree , the C8 is very popular and affordable. Thumbs Up

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Again, kindly thanks for Your response.

Ok, so If talking about budget – I’d say no more than 80 bucks. Also if I had to be more precise about size- my palm says that 140-145mm of lenght is max. I realized that even my smartphone has similar dimensions (142mm), it’s not too much for today’s standards but I didn’t want bigger one. Manker 30-GT appears to be one step up in terms of price and size here. I’d still prefer KR1 over Lumintop GT micro because it’s only 5mm longer with even smaller head, but has way more throw and bigger battery. Same situation (range) is with convoy c8.

Manker MC 13 looks very interesting. I’m curious if it would be shorter than L17 when I’d choose 18650 tube, because I don’t want 18350.

To be honest, it would be great If some competent person could also say a few more words (just some pros and cons and is it even worth it :D) about this TIR flashlights technology. I read about it, but still I’m not familiar with that topic at all.

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Pocketable yet really far thrower:

The Nightwatch NI10L Iralite Osram:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/68465

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Interesting light. It’s a bit long, but I really love 26650 battery (miss 5000mAh in all those compact flashlights) composed with acceptable head diameter. It has “even” profile which I prefer, instead of slim body and bulgy head. Price seems oddly low though. Do you know exact throwing parameters like candela/range and UI funcionality? Cant find them anywhere.

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Abizer wrote:
Again, kindly thanks for Your response.

Ok, so If talking about budget – I’d say no more than 80 bucks. Also if I had to be more precise about size- my palm says that 140-145mm of lenght is max. I realized that even my smartphone has similar dimensions (142mm), it’s not too much for today’s standards but I didn’t want bigger one. Manker 30-GT appears to be one step up in terms of price and size here. I’d still prefer KR1 over Lumintop GT micro because it’s only 5mm longer with even smaller head, but has way more throw and bigger battery. Same situation (range) is with convoy c8.

Manker MC 13 looks very interesting. I’m curious if it would be shorter than L17 when I’d choose 18650 tube, because I don’t want 18350.

To be honest, it would be great If some competent person could also say a few more words (just some pros and cons and is it even worth it :D) about this TIR flashlights technology. I read about it, but still I’m not familiar with that topic at all.

The acebeam and likely that Manker tir are unlike most other tir optics. The spill is almost as low as an LEP flashlight. I currently have the smaller acebeam and at 400 lumens it’s still out throwing most lights I carry. If you just want a hotspot down range and spills not important, these new deep tir lenses are the way to go

I’m glad I’m not the only flashlight collector out there, I was beginning to think I was strange.
My name is Kendall and I’m a Flashaholic from western Canada

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FYI, the Acebeam L17 just came into stock at Killzone Flashlights today.

Looks to be the best price, and it ships from the US with free shipping. I’ve placed several orders with Killzone over the past few years and their customer service is excellent.

I recently got a white Acebeam E10 and couldn’t resist getting a white L17. Party

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Thanks for all Your replies. Probably L17 will be the choice, however this unknown Osram LED model is still bothering me. Last request – what’s the major difference between Osram KW CULNM1.TG used in Manker MC 13 and CSLNM1.TG (“regular“W1)? There is probably something more than just larger die. Maybe for You it’s kinda silly question, but just want to be sure.

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Abizer wrote:
Thanks for all Your replies. Probably L17 will be the choice, however this unknown Osram LED model is still bothering me. Last request – what’s the major difference between Osram KW CULNM1.TG used in Manker MC 13 and CSLNM1.TG (“regular“W1)? There is probably something more than just larger die. Maybe for You it’s kinda silly question, but just want to be sure.

Larger footprint for the culnm1.tg means better thermal management- more footprint surface area which tranfers heat better to the MCPCB and ultimately to the light body. 3030 size vs. 4040 size.
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One remark from my side – I have played a bit with Manker U22 II and the numbers they quote are real, but it is not very prctical, i.e. the beam is so narrow, that it is hardly usable below 200m – same as Noctigon K1 – quite specialized. I found myself still preferring Catapult V6 with 20% less throw, but more lumens and wider beam.

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YogibearAl wrote:
Astrolux FT03 SST40

I love that light, but what kind of pocket will that fit in? The OP wants a pocket thrower. The Sofirn C8G is not near as large, but even that would not qualify as a pocket thrower. In truth, I can’t think of a true pocket flashlight that has a large amount of throw.

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sarge12 wrote:
YogibearAl wrote:
Astrolux FT03 SST40

I love that light, but what kind of pocket will that fit in? The OP wants a pocket thrower. The Sofirn C8G is not near as large, but even that would not qualify as a pocket thrower. In truth, I can’t think of a true pocket flashlight that has a large amount of throw.

sarge12 – respectfully, really? Go out there and have a look at what’s available and ‘think’ again. This thread is full of examples, and if that’s not ‘true’ enough, try skylumen..

If still unconvinced then please specify your concept of ‘large amount of throw’ and also the size of your pockets Wink

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