Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

Where I live (USA), no one wears masks pretty much and there are huge crowds of people everywhere I go. The gym has a sign that you have to wear a mask but everyone takes theirs off as soon as they scan their membership card. Restaurants make you wear one when you’re walking around (like you go take a squirt) but not when you’re sitting at your table. All the stores are open, people walking around in parks and kids playing in playgrounds. You’d never even know there was a virus based on how things are here

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Huh? Do you really believe medical personnel would submit false patient reports and disease statistics? Unethical and likely a felony—that they would take that risk for politics?

Over 1,000 doctors and other medical workers have died after contracting the disease while trying to help save patients. Do you realize how much time, money and education is required to make a doctor? That is a person who provides an essential service and resource in society that is not easily or quickly replaced.

i just hope to catch a big ol’ dose of whatever is needed to get that herd mentality so i won’t get too sick and die.

A rational thinker would look at where deaths were high vs where they were low. A rational thinker would realize that with a virus with a high r sub 0 value the limited travel restrictions put in place that late in the game were not enough to allow for containment. Some places did shutdowns. Some places were overwhelmed and others not so much.

Some countries actually have good leadership. A rational thinker would consider that several countries suffered far less than places like the US, Italy, UK, and Sweden. What did it take to achieve such a significant reduction in suffering? A rational thinker would understand that actions that need to be taken simply were not taken everywhere. Countries that took those actions had predictable and repeatable results. Places like the US that did not take those actions also have predictable and repeatable results.

We can argue the actual numbers all day. Mass graves and overwhelmed health care systems happened repeatedly all over the world. Countries that took the proper actions in a timely manner predictably and repeatedly did not see such a dramatic rise in death or have their healthcare systems overwhelmed.

Are you suggesting that it is the front line doctors and nurses who are the only ones who have access to that kind of data? To answer your question, as someone who has investigated a few crimes in my day, YES data is being manipulated by somebody. Likely many somebodies.

I can happily report that today when visiting a fairly large Farm Market the amount of people wearing masks was really impressive, would guess 70% including quite a few with Trump keep America great masks on.
Place was busy.

This same market 6 weeks ago was bad, like 30% masked.
So something changed, believe the messaging is getting through and people are realizing the life you save may be your own.
A lot less negativity also but that may be due to the absolutely beautiful weather, high 72 low humidity and nice breeze.
People were buying too, instead of just walking around feeding their faces.

Anyway looks like Big Ten Football is coming back because of those rapid tests that the NBA helped develop, it really a a game changer on all levels.

All for now, everyone stay safe and carry on!
Keith

I don’t know if this number is correct but I heard that every hospital will receive 13,000 for admitting a patient with corona. And they will get 3x13000 if they put a patient on a ventilator. So maybe that’s why there was so much demand for ventilators? I don’t know but there is no straight way to make 6 digits income running a health care facility?

Yes 99% Yes, they will do it all day long. You area right there are special people who go into medicine. I am not disagreeing with you.
I also think that you need to take into consideration that medical personnel is working in a for profit setting. Their boss only cares that the bills are paid. He or she will give you a choice, do what I tell you or go home . There is so much medical fraud going on.

There are so many Doctors on a Most Wanted Fugitive List. Why? because everyone is doing it and it is easy money. And chances you will get caught are very low.

I think your claim about “exaggerating” counts might be more believable to some of us if you could provide us with actual examples of government entities or hospitals (those who actually produce the figures used in epidemiological predictions) exaggerating the true count. I’m not saying it never happened, I’m just inviting you to support that claim by citing actual examples of it happening.

There is no evidence to support that rumor. The rumor was spread on social media after Scott Jensen, a Minnesota state legislator, discussed medicare payments to hospitals for treating Covid-19 patients on Fox News. But during the interview Jensen explained that, while Medicare had begun paying hospitals for treating Covid-19 patients, there are no payments to hospitals at all simply for classifying a patient as having the virus. And there are no financial incentives for classifying a death as due to Covid-19, when it was not.

In addition, Jensen admitted during the interview that there is no evidence that any hospitals or doctors had submitted fraudulent billing to Medicare claiming that a patient had Covid-19 when in fact they did not, and no evidence that any hospitals or doctors had treated any patients for Covid-19 when they knew the patient was not infected with the virus. To this day, I have not seen any such evidence, either.

I find it difficult to understand why people get their kicks promoting totally unsupported conspiracy theories impugning the character of people working in dangerous conditions or in thankless government jobs during an emergency, trying to help people and earn a living like anyone else. Promoting false information about serious subjects can hurt people, and in this pandemic it already has.

OK you might be right, but don’t the hospitals during pandemic get paid by county or city? Or is it just a loan? I think they reopened hospitals that were already permanently closed for a while. Something like that takes some serious money.

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Well, it’s like Lenin said, it’s not who votes that determines elections, it’s who counts the votes, and, well, you know…

Vladimir or John?

STFU, Donny! V. I. Lenin! Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov…

NorthernHarrior

You just need to take human nature into account. There are a few things going on. Are you saying there is No evidence of Medicare fraud? Have you been to the hospital lately? I can’t remember the last hospital bill I’ve seen that didn’t have any errors.

I see Lightbringer brings up a good point about how the tests are counted. It’s not that the individuals are being told they are + when they’re - or the other way around. It’s how the the count is taken. We’ve seen the reports of not counting/reporting negatives in Florida.

History really does repeat itself. Kinda sorta like today with the “the election is rigged, unless I win” rhetoric.

It looks like pennzy has complete faith in the system. We will see in November, assuming we know who wins by then.

Complete? Nah, enough though unless shown some facts to the contrary.

Pennzy

Forgive me, but I live in NJ. I just saw a news story about the ballots just found from the primary back in July. That comes on the heals of this story from an election back in may. New Local Election Ordered in N.J. After Mail-In Voter Fraud Charges - The New York Times

I also know of many other ballot/election injustices over the years. One involving a State mental institution in a small town.

My guess is that human nature is human nature in PA as well as in NJ.

Edited to add: What’s the difference between ballots and covid19 tests?

Any close election in this country is going to turn into a mess. Our system is not set up to get to the nitty gritty. As long as it is not close I feel the system is going to do fine. Get out and vote everyone.

I never said there is no Medicare fraud overall. I’m not going to entertain off-topic subjects and arguments that have nothing to do with what we have been discussing in this thread.

As for the counting of Covid-19 deaths, we have been over and over the issues about counting deaths in this thread. The overwhelming consensus of medical experts is that the deaths have been substantially under-counted overall, not over-counted. There are different methods of counting from state to state, and as we’ve discussed, political considerations and pushing to re-open states as soon as possible have also led to changes in how various states are counting deaths. But the overall excess death counts show that the nation is at about 200,000 in excess deaths for the past six months or so. That is consistent with the overall death count reported in the major media.

Here are a few articles on the subject of counting deaths, as I know you’ve been relying on others to provide evidence related to the issues you bring up:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/about-30-covid-deaths-may-not-be-classified-such
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries