Any Suspicious Observers members here?

No, they were rhetorical questions, and I was asking you, in the hope that by pondering them you might escape your bubble for a moment and gain some perspective. I already know the answers.

I’ll ask again, why do you care so much? It’s seems to me that the issue for you is simply political and perhaps economic(not to mention you are heavily emotionally invested), whereas for myself, and everyone who is concerned about global heating, the issue is existential. Literally everything is at stake.

Actually no, the burden of proof is yours. There is already a strong scientific consensus. It is up to you to falsify that. Especially for something as critically important as this.

Sounds to me like you’re trying to say that scientific enquiry is based upon faith? Ironic.

Exactly.

Oh, you did sort of half answer my question, but with an appeal to emotion.

But tell me, what outcome will be worse for your children, and your grandchildren, and their grandchildren?

Some imaginary globalist conspiracy to drain you of your tax dollars?

Or perhaps the long term effects of global heating will do them far more harm in the long run.

It’s actually doing more harm that good, because by propagating these conspiracy theories you are undermining the political will to do something about this mess.

Yet here you are posting videos of people telling you what to think. And somehow we’re the sheeple?

There’s actually a ton of really good educational scientific content on youtube. Why don’t you watch some of that instead?

Well you seem to have all the answers so there is no arguing with you and the experts. It’s been real, let’s not do it again, mmmkay pumkin. :smiley:

This would be a very expensive conspiracy involving 90% of all researchers in this field. At least if I had to be part in a conspiracy, I’d take a serious amount of money :money_mouth_face: .

I prefer to believe they’re doing a solid scientific job. That’s what we pay them for.

It's definitely possible you are in the right direction and most others aren't.
Many people take the big media for gospel truth, and we know that CNN is a lot of fake news, yet millions of people are using it as their news source. And whatever agenda they are pushing, the average folks, (including myself) take these things for truth.

I don't say they are consiparacy theories, but the 'wise scientist' can't even come to 1 conclusion, and they don't accept a different viewpoint.. It's fun to see how in the 70's people (the other 'wisest scientists' are talking about a returning ice age, and now global warming.. we are talking about 50 years later.. who knows what will happen in 50 years. But, we only have to trust the 'wisest scientists' that the Media uses to push a narrative, others are just speculators and conspiracy theorists.

People think they are smarter than God or can control nature.. just love how they brand all the scientists with different conclusions as conspiracy theorists or global warming deniers...

it's the same as kindergarten....

Hi everyone, please carefully avoid all controversial subjects in this thread. Defending a certain side on hot-button social/political/scientific issues won’t change anybody’s mind on this forum, but it absolutely will lead to a nasty argument, so please avoid such topics at all cost. Thanks a lot.

Climate research has some history, starting with Arrhenius.

Keep in mind the current view doesn’t come out of nothing, neither is it especially new. It originates from more than 120 years old studies and has undergone numerous refinements.

I point this out since some posts create an impression of scientists running around like beheaded chickens. Please stop that comedy and concentrate on the facts.

Edit: Found this on the history - The History of Climate Science

I, too, am only interested in facts. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fifth Assessment Report, almost 100% of the warming observed since 1950 has been human-caused. According to NASA, humans have increased the atmospheric CO2 concentration by 47% since the industrial revolution. This has measurable effects on our climate. For a good summary of the science, see, e.g., National Climate Assessment

The other planets in our solar system are changing due to natural causes. Planets have always changed. There is no evidence of a giant financial conspiracy involved in studying climate change.

yes :THUMBS-UP:

I gave it 12 post before it got locked down. It’s staying surprisingly civil. :wink:

Again, because learning from history is one of the best ways to understand science, if you’re willing to read:

Nice Fringe reference. :+1:

Yep, “it’s going to get colder” — in Europe.

For myself, I have seen it warm up in my lifetime in this area.
Fact - Glaciers are going buh-by.
Fact - The headlines above are old but real.
Fact - majoroverkill notes that there are forces at play we are not aware of.
Fact - There are “theorys of why the North pole moved 20 miles last year, but no factual reason yet.
Fact - The poles have swapped ends several times.

It leads me to believed that there are longer term cycles which us humans are not aware of. Where I live now is a verdant lush forested area that was under 500 feet of solid ice 12,000 years ago (give or take). Where did the ice go? It was all gone before the industrial age.

Regardless, what I do know leads me to believe that we should at least take the easy steps to avoid man made global warming. Look at the car you drive. Is it a hybrid getting 55 mpg? If not, why not. Do you expect that you can ignore it and someone else will pick up your slack? Blame others…the .gov? We can and should, all step up our game as individuals. Toyota Corolla hybrids only cost @$23,000. As individuals we can insulate our houses. Turn off the AC and turn down the heat when needed etc etc.

https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle

It’s like a game… let’s push it until sb shows up… JUST kidding!!!

Rat hole arguments are a waste of time and of course I (like all here) think a few here are “off” but this isn’t the place to (waste time trying to…) prove them wrong. Great policy and well said sb! :+1:

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