Well you seem to have all the answers so there is no arguing with you and the experts. It’s been real, let’s not do it again, mmmkay pumkin.
Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
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Well you seem to have all the answers so there is no arguing with you and the experts. It’s been real, let’s not do it again, mmmkay pumkin.
Some imaginary globalist conspiracy to drain you of your tax dollars?
This would be a very expensive conspiracy involving 90% of all researchers in this field. At least if I had to be part in a conspiracy, I’d take a serious amount of money :money_mouth_face: .
I prefer to believe they’re doing a solid scientific job. That’s what we pay them for.
I can see I may have opened up Pandora’s box here lol. It’s ok because I can’t expect anyone who does not spend decades researching this vast subject to understand other then the occasional article or news broadcast they view. With every subject such as this there will always be some PHD, Expert, Professor, Physicist… with 20 different findings or truths for every subject known. This is one of many of humanities problems and beauties, the ability to agree to disagree no matter what the subject is. In the late words of Lenard Neomi, Fascinating!
It's definitely possible you are in the right direction and most others aren't.
Many people take the big media for gospel truth, and we know that CNN is a lot of fake news, yet millions of people are using it as their news source. And whatever agenda they are pushing, the average folks, (including myself) take these things for truth.
I don't say they are consiparacy theories, but the 'wise scientist' can't even come to 1 conclusion, and they don't accept a different viewpoint.. It's fun to see how in the 70's people (the other 'wisest scientists' are talking about a returning ice age, and now global warming.. we are talking about 50 years later.. who knows what will happen in 50 years. But, we only have to trust the 'wisest scientists' that the Media uses to push a narrative, others are just speculators and conspiracy theorists.
People think they are smarter than God or can control nature.. just love how they brand all the scientists with different conclusions as conspiracy theorists or global warming deniers...
it's the same as kindergarten....
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Climate research has some history, starting with Arrhenius.
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Keep in mind the current view doesn’t come out of nothing, neither is it especially new. It originates from more than 120 years old studies and has undergone numerous refinements.
I point this out since some posts create an impression of scientists running around like beheaded chickens. Please stop that comedy and concentrate on the facts.
Edit: Found this on the history - The History of Climate Science
Excellent, You have chosen to listen to others then do your own research unless you have and I am mistaken. Induced Human climate change is real 2%, That’s it, like it or not those are the facts. The really big question that no one cares or knows about is why are the other planets in our solar system changing as well? Can you answer that? (Global Warming) is a hundred billion dollar industry! Where is the money going? I really am not here to argue with you and if I offended you in any way I apologies. This is a very heavy subject that heats peoples tempers quickly. I am a truth seeker and rarely ever find government funded groups tell the truth when billions of dollars are at stake. So again, I meant no disrespect to you or your intelligence and offer my apologies again.
I, too, am only interested in facts. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fifth Assessment Report, almost 100% of the warming observed since 1950 has been human-caused. According to NASA, humans have increased the atmospheric CO2 concentration by 47% since the industrial revolution. This has measurable effects on our climate. For a good summary of the science, see, e.g., National Climate Assessment
The other planets in our solar system are changing due to natural causes. Planets have always changed. There is no evidence of a giant financial conspiracy involved in studying climate change.
just love how they brand all the scientists with different conclusions as conspiracy theorists or global warming deniers...
it's the same as kindergarten....
yes :THUMBS-UP:
I gave it 12 post before it got locked down. It’s staying surprisingly civil.
Again, because learning from history is one of the best ways to understand science, if you’re willing to read:
The Discovery of Global Warming - A History
http://history.aip.org › climate
The Discovery of Global Warming
February 2019.
A hypertext history of how scientists came to (partly) understand what people are doing to cause climate change.
This Website created by Spencer Weart supplements his much shorter book, which tells the history of climate change research as a single story.
I was thinking of a bald guy in black suit who would pile on the pepper to anything he ate.
Nice Fringe reference. :+1:
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New studies confirm weakening of the Gulf Stream circulation (AMOC)
17 September 2020Many of the earlier predictions of climate research have now become reality. The world is getting warmer, sea levels are rising faster and faster, and more frequent heat waves, extreme rainfall, devastating wildfires and more severe tropical storms are affecting many millions of people. Now there is growing evidence that another climate forecast is already coming true: the Gulf Stream system in the Atlantic is apparently weakening, with consequences for Europe too….
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Yep, “it’s going to get colder” — in Europe.
For myself, I have seen it warm up in my lifetime in this area.
Fact - Glaciers are going buh-by.
Fact - The headlines above are old but real.
Fact - majoroverkill notes that there are forces at play we are not aware of.
Fact - There are “theorys of why the North pole moved 20 miles last year, but no factual reason yet.
Fact - The poles have swapped ends several times.
It leads me to believed that there are longer term cycles which us humans are not aware of. Where I live now is a verdant lush forested area that was under 500 feet of solid ice 12,000 years ago (give or take). Where did the ice go? It was all gone before the industrial age.
Regardless, what I do know leads me to believe that we should at least take the easy steps to avoid man made global warming. Look at the car you drive. Is it a hybrid getting 55 mpg? If not, why not. Do you expect that you can ignore it and someone else will pick up your slack? Blame others…the .gov? We can and should, all step up our game as individuals. Toyota Corolla hybrids only cost @$23,000. As individuals we can insulate our houses. Turn off the AC and turn down the heat when needed etc etc.
https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle
Daily natural color imagery of Earth from the EPIC camera onboard the DSCOVR spacecraft.
It’s like a game… let’s push it until sb shows up… JUST kidding!!!
Rat hole arguments are a waste of time and of course I (like all here) think a few here are “off” but this isn’t the place to (waste time trying to…) prove them wrong. Great policy and well said sb!
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Heres a good explanation of the suns cyclical effect on the heating/cooling of the planet. https://electroverse.net/analysis-finds-solar-activity-controls-climate-change/
Heres a good explanation of the suns cyclical effect on the heating/cooling of the planet. https://electroverse.net/analysis-finds-solar-activity-controls-climate-change/
This was a great read, thank you. I see this a lot and especially this year where these sites are being shutdown and I have to ask the question why. Part of the prosses is the earth heating up, the polar caps start to melt. When enough melt occurs it starts to change the salinity and temperatures of the oceans affecting the North Atlantic currant, slows down, which is connected to the jet stream. Fresh water freezes at 32 degrees, seawater at 28.4 degrees. Its like a recipe for disaster. The heat melts the caps, the caps change the salinity and temperatures effecting the flow of the oceans, a hard winter hits and the caps start to grow! This has happened with the last four ice ages. NOAA and NASA are starting to realize this in the last couple of years. Our planet can only heat up so much before it starts to freeze and a very small salinity and temperature change in our oceans is all it takes.
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Spaulding & Markowitz, Heath Earth Science. Heath, 1994: 195. “The Greenland glacier is about 1,700,000 km2 and up to 3 km in thickness.” < 5.1 × 106 km3
(Greenland)
“The Antarctic glacier covers a larger landmass with an area of about 12.5 million km2 and reaches a thickness of nearly 5 km.” < 62.5 × 106 km3
(Antarctica)
“Greenland.” World Book Encyclopedia. Chicago: World Book, 1999: 325. “It covers 672,000 mi2 (1,740,500 km2) or about 4/5 of the island. The ice caps average over 1 mile (1.6 km) thick, and a thickness of over 2 miles (3.2 km) has been measured.” 2.8 × 106 km3
(Greenland)
“Antarctica.” World Book Encyclopedia. Chicago: World Book, 1999: 532. “Its volume of 7¼ million cubic miles (30 million km3) represents about 70% of the world’s fresh water.” 30 × 106 km3
(Antarctica)
Williams, Richard S. Jr., & Jane G. Ferrigno. Estimated present-day area and volume of glaciers and maximum sea level rise potential. Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World. US Geological Survey (USGS). “Geographic region: Greenland
Percent: 10.82
Volume: 2,600,000 km3
Percent: 7.9
Maximum sea level rise potential: 6.5 m
Area: 1,736,095 km2” 2.6 × 106 km3
(Greenland)
“Geographic region: Antarctica
Percent: 84.64
Volume: 30,109,800 km3
Percent: 91.49
Maximum sea level rise potential: 73.44 m
Area: 13,586,400 km2” 30.1098 × 106 km3
(Antarctica)
Schultz, Gwen. Ice Age Lost. 1974. 232, 75. “The US geological survey gives these figures: The Greenland ice cap with its volume of 630,000 cubic miles, if melted could yield enough water to maintain the Mississippi river for over 4,700 years.” 2.6 × 106 km3
(Greenland)
“It has been calculated that if Antarctica’s approximately 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice should melt, the level of the oceans all over the world would rise 200 feet.” 25 × 106 km3
(Antarctica)
Denmark/Greenland. Greenland Tourism. Danish Tourist Board. “The ice cap or inland ice covers 1,833,900 square km, equivalent to 85 percent of Greenland’s total area, and extends 2,500 km (1,553 miles) from north to south and up to 1,000 km from east to west. At its center, the ice can be up to 3 km thick, representing 10 percent of the world’s total fresh water reserves. If all the ice were to melt, the world’s oceans would rise seven meters.” < 5.5 × 106 km3
(Greenland)
Erickson, Jon. “Glacial Geology.”1996, 161. “The ice sheet rises nearly 3 miles in places, with an average thickness of over 7,000 feet amounting to about 7 million cubic miles of ice.” 29 × 106 km3
(Antarctica