Any Suspicious Observers members here?

Question is not why, but by whom ( X-Files music playing ) :stuck_out_tongue:

NOAA and NASA scientists knew about recurring ice ages at the time of their inception. The fact that there are recurring ice ages is taught in the high school science curriculum in the USA. However, that doesn’t eliminate the evidence about global warming and the rise of sea levels happening now. Here is an excerpt from a NOAA report by Rebecca Lindsey, posted online in August, 2020:

The global mean water level in the ocean rose by 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015, which was 2.5 times the average rate of 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century. By the end of the century, global mean sea level is likely to rise at least one foot (0.3 meters) above 2000 levels, even if greenhouse gas emissions follow a relatively low pathway in coming decades.

The report concludes the sea level rise is accelerating, and notes that eight out of the ten largest cities in the world are in coastal areas. The report also states that a worst case scenario, under a high greenhouse gas emissions regime, would result in a 8.2 foot rise in sea levels above the level in the year 2000.

Global warming can’t exist when the earth is flat. :smiley:

TRUTH.
In order for there to be some sort of scientific conspiracy driving some political agenda, it would require so much expense as you say and pretty much impossible to perpetrate consistently. Science is founded on finding truth. Not falsehoods. While some theories end up wrong, vast majority are correct. The one-sided limited response venues of conspiracies pester science like never before. It’s a real shame how fractured societies are becoming over this. The reactive nature of society seems to call for major calamities for the determination of truth, but even now disinfo is so strong that the obvious climate change conditions are STILL being rebuffed with ridiculous falsehoods like “poor forest management.” People of notoriety speaking out of sheer ignorance with the bravado of extreme confidence deludes the gullible masses.

Wellp, there doesn’t have to be any concerted “conspiracy” for science to become politically-driven.

“Money goes where it’s treated best.”

If you have your own theory that “climate change” is based more on sunspots than hyu-mons burning coal, etc., and want to put that to the test, no one’s going to fund you.

If you want a study to prove that 146 varieties of endangered lichen on remote mountaintops around the world will die out as a direct result of “global warming”, people will throw money at you to do it.

So if you want money to do research, and make your mortgage payments, you pick which studies will rake in the bux.

You don’t open an adult bookstore in Amishtown, y’know? Unless you want to go out of business and take the tax write-off or something.

And let’s face it, anyone wanting to show global warming climate change is not purely manmade, is going to be looked at as a “climate assassin”, someone wanting your kids and grandkids to live in a burned-out husk of a planet. Might as well blow secondhand smoke in babies’ faces.

People know who butters their bread.

LB, let me get this straight. Are you saying that money only goes to man made climate change pushers? If so, why would that be? My guess is the fossil fuel industries has the most money to throw at studies like the video back a few posts. That guy has taken millions from Koch. I don’t research this personally but defer to the scientific community to do that for me.

Edit : Not a video, rather an article (post 51)

I’m not saying “only”, but there’s a fairly good chance. Being that it’s “politically expedient” to do so, sure, funding would be way more likely than trying to prove the opposite.

If you’re a reporter throwing hardball questions to your mayor, what do you think your chances would be to get asked to (or allowed into) the next press conference, vs a reporter that lobs those nice softball questions that make him look good.

Again, there doesn’t have to be any conspiracy involved, certainly no membership cards or non-disclosure agreements, but just an awareness of (as mentioned) knowing who butters your bread. Anyone in the industry who’s remotely savvy will know that.

If I worked at a company with a dimwit boss, and always called him out on his dumb-ass decisions, my career-options would be quite limited. On the other hand, if I did my job regardless and even let him take the credit, though I did the exact opposite of what he told me to do, you’d better believe I’d advance faster.

Added: There doesn’t have to be any Grand Conspiracy at the company, just a lick of common sense and political savvy.

I am not getting who the funding money is coming from and what motive they might have to be pushing this theory. Again, it looks to me the existing energy tycoons have the most to gain by funding a few dissenting voices to muddy the waters. Similar to what the tobacco industry did years ago.

Universities, for one.

It’s all about the magnetic field that encircled the earth.

Those industries are behind people like Willie Soon et al. Fortunately, money alone doesn’t make results from any research look plausible where it’s plain wrong. Tobacco industry tried and failed, too.

Universities are the recipients of the research money. But who is supplying the money worldwide to study man made climate change? I don’t see any incentive for the government to fund these studies. I do see incentive for disinformation by the fossil fuel industry though. That is my take anyway. The greenhouse effect was 9th grade science back in the 70s before lobbyist dollars turned it political.

Yet if you look at the post I made on the first page, the “science” as shown in headlines of the 1970’s clearly said we were in the grips of the next ice age. Yet interestingly enough, I agree 100% with what you say here until you get to your last (I bolded that part) sentence which as my earlier post shows, isn’t accurate.

1970s headlines –2nd time as you missed it on p1:

Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)

Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)

New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)

Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (The Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)

Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)

Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)

Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)

Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century (The Boston Globe, April 16, 1970)

Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)

U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic (The New York Times, July 18, 1970)

Dirt Will Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)

Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)

Pollution Might Lead To Another Ice Age (The Schenectady Gazette, March 22, 1971)

Pollution May Bring Ice Age – Scientist Rites Risk (The Windsor Star, March 23, 1971)

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)

Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)

Danger: Ice age may lurk in dusty skies (The Christian Science Monitor, July 12, 1971)

New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)

Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)

Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)

Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)

Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)

Ice Age Cometh For Dicey Times (The Sun, May 29, 1972)

Ice Age Coming (Deseret News, September 8, 1972)

There’s a new Ice Age coming! (The Windsor Star, September 9, 1972)

Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)

British Expert on Climate Change Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)

Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (The portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)

New Ice Age Slipping Over North (The Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)

Beginning of new ice age (The Canberra Times, September 12, 1972)

Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)

Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)

British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)

Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)

Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)

Geologist at Case Traces Long Winters – Sees Ice Age in 20 Years (Youngstown Vindicator, December 13, 1972)

Ice Age On Its Way, Scientist Says (Toledo Blade, December 13, 1972)

Ice Age Predicted In About 200 Years (The Portsmouth Times, December 14, 1972)

New Ice Age coming? (Popular Science, January 1973)

The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)

Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1973)

‘Man made Ice Age’ Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)

Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (The Spartanburg Herald, June 28, 1973)

Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)

Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)

Ominous Changes in the World’s Weather (PDF) (Fortune Magazine, February 1974)

Atmospheric Dirt: Ice Age Coming?‎ (Pittsburgh Press, February 28, 1974)

Support for theory of a cooling world (The Canberra Times, May 16, 1974)

New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)

Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)

Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)

Imminent Arrival of the Ice (Radio Times, November 14, 1974)

Making a BBC Science Special [The Weather Machine] (New Scientist, November 14, 1974)

The Weather Machine (BBC, November 20, 1974)

New ice age ‘could be in our lifetime’ (The Canberra Times, November 22, 1974)

Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)

Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)

More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ‎December 5, 1974‎)

Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, December 5, 1974)

Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)

Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)

B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)

Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)

Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator, ‎March 2, 1975‎)

Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)

New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)

There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)

Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)

The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)

The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)

Cooling trend may signal coming of another Ice Age (The Sun, May 16, 1975)

Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Change May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)

Summer of A New Ice Age (The Age, June 5, 1975)

In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)

Experts ponder another ice age (The Spokesman-Review, September 8, 1975)

Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal entinel, December 11, 1975)

Deadly Harvest [Film] (Starring: Kim Cattrall, Clint Walker, 1976)

The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)

Ice Age Predicted (Reading Eagle, January 22, 1976) Ice Age Predicted In Century (Bangor Daily News, January 22, 1976) I

It’s Going To Get Chilly About 125 Years From Now (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, January 23, 1976)

Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)

Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)

The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)

The Ice Age Cometh… (New York Magazine, January 31, 1977)

The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)

Has The Ice Age Cometh Again? (Calgary Herald, February 1, 1977)

Space Mirrors Proposed To Prevent Crop Freezes (Bangor Daily News, February 7, 1977)

Sunspot lull may bring on new ice age (The Christian Science Monitor, March 30, 1977)

As I said before I don’t research this subject much. Correct me if I am wrong but global warming and a new ice age are not exclusive of each other. If the Atlantic currents are changed Europe’s temperature will drop. A whole slew of contradictory results. Deserts will form. Extreme storms. Extreme droughts. Here is an article from MIT with more info than I can remember.

Edit: Spelling is not my high point.

Mmmmmmm, you say that like it’s a bad thing.

I could go for that…

I spell poorly. Math was my high point :smiley:

I still could go for randomly-forming desserts.

Lemme go burn some coal to get started…

Thats funny. You always are good for something. :wink:

I really can’t wrap my head around the logic in thinking that human-caused climate change is being exaggerated/falsified for economic reasons, while the price of oil being absolutely essential to the US Dollar - and therefore a huge portion of the world’s economic activity - is completely ignored. That seems like a much larger incentive than the pittance of research grants, etc. that is spent on climate change.