Solarforce Tailcaps - A quick Review .

Wow... thank you for the awesome and pertinent (to me) review. Darn--you'd think the twisty/momentary design would have LESS resistance, owing to its simplicity and contact area. But I've seen similar reports in terms of behavior/resistance with the Surefire OEM twisty/momentary switches. An expert on cpf did some pretty in-depth test on it too; I'd try to find/include the link if I did a full review. And Surefire uses a rivet to keep things in, so you typically have to damage parts of the tailcap to get it apart. Looks like this S7 twisty might be similar.

I don't have the S7 yet, but my Surefire OEM tailcaps came (z41 [metal] and the G2 [platic/nitrolon] tailcap). Hope to do a full review at some time, but... no good. Of my 501b, 504b, and L2, the G2 switch didn't really work on any of them. I got one function (twisty or momentary) to work in one flashlight, but I forget; it wasn't worth it. The G2 cap threads onto the 504b and L2, but not the 501b. As far as the (metal) Z41 tailcap, it does intermittently work in my L2, but not at all in my 504B (and again, wouldn't thread onto the 501b). When the Z41 actually works in the L2, I love it. To my shock, I could actually change modes one-handed--but untwisting and twisting the light with my thumb and index finger, while holding the tailcap in my pinky and ring finger. It seems the SF tailcaps come pre-lubed with their superspecial Nye Lubricants Nyogel 760-something, but whatever's on there, it's just silky smooth and I think I may actually pick some of that lube up, expensive as it is. The problem is, the contact either barely makes contact, or does not make contact at all. Seems that the metal disc inside is designed for a tube which is 2mm narrower for cr123 batteries, vs Solarforce's tube for 18650's. It usually works as soon as I screw it on. But when I come back to it, it usually doesn't work (either momentary or twisty). I know the spring is contacting, as I have to push on the tailcap just to thread it on. I found that if I untwist a bit, and retwist 'torquing' it at an angle, it will more reliably come back on... but that is not workable long-term, and requires 2 hands too. I wonder if I could find or mod a washer to enlarge the contact area for the larger 18650 tube?

Would be interesting to see the Lumens output on these switches versus the McGizmo McClicky. Old4570, do you have one, if I ask pretty please could you perhaps test it and report back? Would be good to know if McClicky makes a functional difference at least in terms of resistance, and how it affects lumens at high current.

There is also the so-called Zero Resistance brass piece from Oveready designed to address the resistance issues on these twisties. I never thought twisties would have their own set of problems but they do. Unknown at this point if the Oveready Zero Res thing would work or fit in an S7 but if so, buying both pieces can still be cheaper than buying one Surefire Z41 tailcap which doesn't even work properly on Solarforce flashlights anyway. I'm dreading more the installation than the purchase price. Instructions are woefully in adequate. I found Oveready's PDF for installing the McClicky on a Z41, which gives the jist of how to take apart the tailcap. He shows 2 ways, and neither looks easy. Both involve suggestions of boiling or baking the tailcap. Why isn't there anything in the flashlight world which does what you want, and doesn't require a "mod"?

Old4570, what drop-in was used for this test? I'm assuming the Manafont 3-mode Ultrafire XM-L?

Most of those Solarforce switches are rather huge, which is a turn-off. I think they claim it is for increased robustnest, but somehow I think you can make a reliable switch in a smaller package. Aside from personal preferences, I wonder aloud if there are any advantages to the forward versions of these over the McClicky assembly (aside from the fact they come fully assembled).

Drop in was XM-L , but I believe it was the KD one ...

I wanted to try out the tailcaps with higher current so as to show up any variables .

Lower current means much smaller variation in output . [ something to keep in mind ]

Sorry , this has been a very expensive month so far , over a grand worth of bills and expenses .. So I have to put my wallet into hibernation mode .

old4570, does the L2M come with the L2 tailcap? Do you have the L2P tailcap?

The L2m has the standard L2 tailcap ...

yes I have the L2P and L2X tailcaps [ as I have both hosts ]

How do they compare to the rest of the tailcaps?

One other thing about the S5 Tailcap is that it is more of a flat black color and doesn't match up with my shiny black solarforce body. That kind of bugged me a bit but I got over it. Sealed

Also, like old mentioned above, the soft switch feels weird to me since I'm used to clickies but it does actually work just fine.

I like both the L2P and L2X tail switches very much , I would not mind if Solarforce switched the stock L2 clicky to a L2P style with the L2P internals , Id love that .

My problem is I have more L2's than i really need , I might use 2 or 3 at any time , the other 12 or so do very little work .

If you need any help at all old, I'll gladly take care of those neglected L2's for you. Seriously, I'm here for you buddy.:bigsmile:

They certainly are some what neglected .. Even my Fav L2M [ seriously good XR-E R2 ] is gathering dust now that the XM-L is available .

I feel like a bad parent , neglecting my loved ones ... Shhhhhhhh ..

Or flashlight care agency might take them away .....

LOL

Sorry 45-70. Didn't mean to suggest I wanted you to buy something new. I just thought a master like you would have something like the oh-so-talked-about Mcklicker lying around. Ass-uming.

So, does the L2P come with any of the particular switches you enumerated? Does it have a model name? You sound pretty fond of it (I think it's a reverse though). I've got an L2P soon on the way...

Now that I've retrospectively made some mistakes and good decisions, I wish I wouldn't have wasted my time, and just should've gone the Solarforce route. So I don't blame u for your collection. Succumbed to the idea of, "well, if I get this drop-in, for a few dollars more I can have a whole flashlight with a spare body to mess around with...". That's how the 501B baby was born. And now we hardly ever talk. What are you gonna do, with an L2 in your pocket. And I wasn't even drunk.

L2P is the same as the L2X , only different .. in appearance .. And yes I like both , only wish they had been available 3 years ago when I got onto Solarforce .

It just feels like a quality unit , its a step up from the L2 for sure . My L2P will be XM-L shortly [ currently Dual XP-G R5 ]

McKlicky , naa , closest ive come to custom tailcaps is dropping a Romisen forward clicky into my L2micro ..

http://www.solarforce-sales.com/

You need to visit here every now and again , when the itch needs scratching ..

just so you know the s5 does not work on my L2p..the body prevents the s5 from being completely screwed on to make contact to the internal ring..this s5 was taken off my masterpiece so maybe it's a bit different from the other s5's?? i'm guessing you could back the internal ring of the tailcap down to make contact, but no clue as I have not tried that..I use an s3 on my L2p and I like it a lot but it leaves some space between the tailcap and body..you think SF would make standardized lengths so all their stuff would fit perfectly, but alas they do not..good luck in making it work..hopefully the s5's are different from the masterpiece s5..

Just checked , My L2P + S5 works just fine ...

good to know..i'm guessing the masterpiece s5 is a little different..all my other caps work on my masterpiece though..weird..

I've recently bought Solarforce RSP switch. Great forward clicky, almost silent, a little bit bulky but versatile.

interesting, i ordered a body that CAME with the S5. S5 fits perfect. contacts perfect too.

maybe you guys got bad S5's?

great switch, tho anodizing already started comming off one of the peaks at the switch area.

overall the L2P is a nice flashlight, tho i found it funny that mine came with a BLANK certificate of authenticity. strange.....

also i saw someone mentioned finish differences, finish on WHOLE flashlight is satin black, including on S5 switch. so i dont have that issue either.

I use the S4 on every XPG triple host I put together. The cigar grip is a must for one handed operation and fat fingers like the big boot. Besides, it looks good!

No electrical issues at all either.

Rich

The contact issues on the S7 strike me as bizarre, knowing what Z41s are like.

Is there a coating on the inside of the L2 battery tube used for testing? I've seen Z41s used on 18650 L2 tubes without issue, but they required sanding the inside rim of the tube to expose bare aluminum for the chamfered part of the cap's contact plate to rest against since the base of the plate will "miss" the rim and go into the tube.

looking at the picture up top showing the lights it's pretty clear that my s5 is not the same..i'm assuming they made the masterpiece s5 a little longer to take up some of the gap on the masterpiece body..my s5 will hit the l2p's body and "bottom out" before making contact..if you look at the picture up top there still is space between the s5 cap and the light..mine takes up all the gap..