Knife Talk :)

I have a quick question. Will the 3 pin tool for the screw on the bottom left work on the triangle screw on the bottom right?

I recently got the SRM 909 which is a great knife but it uses the 5 point pin-hole type of pivot but is bad enough but unlike the triangle pivot on my EL-01D which is flush with the handle this one is not. The round side of the pivot sticks out from the handles like a button.

No reason for this kind of design. It’s still a nice knife though!

I tightened my Tri- Pivot Enlan knives with a small drill. Just remove the bit and adjust the “three fingers” to the size of the pivot and turn the drill slightly by hand.

I do that as well. I’m sure the 5 pin type can easily be adjusted with two pins or even small needlenose pliers.

Yes, the 3 pins pivot screw tool works on the 3 models of Enlan proprietary pivot screws, but its grip / stability is not as good as the triangle pivot screw tool, you have to push hard on the tool to avoid that it slip of the triangle screw’s print you mentionned.
It will slip if you try to unscrew too fast, turn the tool slowly and then reajust the position of the tool in your hand to have a good position of your hand to push hard on the tool and to always keep the tool completely perpendicular to the axis of the screw. Only quarter turn until the “thread lock” breaks.
If you will receive a tool with 3 different pins lenght, push the tool on an hard surface to slide those 3 pins down completely in place.

I got a cheap pair of thin needle-nose pliers from Radio Shack that work. I think they are made for working on computers.

The (blue handles) pliers in picture HERE works on the 3 holes pivot screw but I didn’t try it on a pivot screw with “thread lock”.
I would not like to leave marks.

Yes I agree 100%. Microtec started this because they dont want people messing with their $500 knifes. Then I guess China copied it without know what the reason was.
For a $10 Chinese knife please use a regular straight pivot screw so people can take it apart!

I tried something similar but my pliers were too cheap and started to flex. I think I might just order an El-02 with 3 pin tool and try to use it to loosen my el-01 too.

as suggested on another thread, It would be awesome if Jacky could manage to get standard replacement pivots or pivot screws. Enlan clearly doesn’t wan’t to play ball when Jacky tried to get them to drop the pouch/gift box on the EL-08, so it seems pretty hopeless for them to listen to customers about the pivot if they won’t even listen to one of their major dealers.

M1K3Z0R, a fews days ago I was searching informations about some chinese knives and I found a thread about SRM knives on a canadian forum where you are participating. There is several massages written by Jacky Hu and if I remember well, in one of them he told that it was him who made / organised the production of the 2 tools for enlan pivot screws.
If he changes / sells standard pivot screw, he will not sell his tools anymore.

The only way would be to stop buying these knives, but the new pivot screw do not seem to stop /prevent people from buying them.

The current situation is not conducive / auspicious to change things. :frowning:

I can see that, the current economics of the situation are tricky. It still confuses me as why they would go through all the trouble of making a strange pivot that will only be used on some knives. If the point was to make money off the tool, it would make a bit more sense, but it’s not Enlan making the tools but rather Exduct out of customer demand. As pointed out earlier in the thread it is likely Enlan trying to set themselves apart as being on a higher tier, thus taking the pivot screw designs of expensive knives and applying it to their own.

Given the knives are still a bargain for what you get, I would rather put up with the proprietary pivot if it came to a choice between the current situation or increased prices.

The manufacturers probably aren’t even considering that people will be taking a $10 knife (or flashlight) apart.

Sad but true. It makes me depressed thinking about perfectly good hardware being tossed because someone somewhere figured it would be cheaper to buy another one than invest time and money in sharpening gear and skill

I find the biggest problem with these knives isn’t figuring out how to adjust the strange pivot screws but rather getting all the other screws out to fix/clean some other issue without having one screw that strips or just won’t come out for whatever reason.

They ship very tight for customs, which is great but then how am I supposed to loosen it on my end? EL01 is not supposed to be a 2 handed knife, which is what my examples are due the pivot being so tight.

A simple regular slotted screw would really help in this area, but it is what it, and as you mentioned these are 7.99 knives so what can you do.

I agree it’s annoying. The only thing is there are fairly easy ways to adjust both kinds of those pivot screws without buying the pivot tools.

Just use the chuck end of an electric drill for the triangle pivot and needlenose pliers for the 5 pin pivots.

My El-01D was a little stiff initially and I adjusted it that way.

I wonder how open companies like Enlan are to outside suggestions... like offering a slotted pivot screw.

I’d like to see them also use better screws for the rest of the knife including making it more certain that you can easily remove the clip without stripping a screw. Not everyone wants a clip.

If they improved the screws it would be more certain that you could completely disassemble a knife without messing it up and not being able to reassemble it.

Bryan,

I’ve had the same idea, any idea if the screws are metric or [more likely] a Chinese thread / size. I suppose I’ll have to get at least one knife and see if I can find suitable screws or perhaps re-thread the liner for standard ASTM threading.