US - Defiant "Super Thrower" 3C (New Model - +/-64mm Head XM-L) - Get To Home Depot Now!

I hadn’t really given mine a full test with the new glass lens, and I did last night. Man, I forget how bright this thing is every time. It kills every light I have. The 2010, the small sun, ke5, all of ’em. Just wish that it wasn’t so big, although the A8 battery tube does work pretty good. It’s truly an amazing light.

2x14500 lithium cells would most likely fry a light/driver designed for 2xAA alkaline cells…

Anybody have a good source for a glass lens for this? The ebay link was sold out when I checked it out.

Thanks. I am following this thread since long. So far it seems none of the mods (dedoming, AR lens) which have shown significant performance improvement. Even the other thread started by O-L mentioned that his mods did not added any major improvements and he wont recommend them.

Also I am planning to use AA to C adapters with this (Energizer Recharge AA), found this ebay listing, is it worth it?

You'll actually get slightly less output with NiMh to start, but they should maintain brightness longer than alkalines.

-Garry

>>>>>>>Also I am planning to use AA to C adapters with this (Energizer Recharge AA), found this ebay listing, is it worth it?

Batteries are an issue with this beast. You might want to try the one 18650 mod described early on in this thread (dowel spacer and plasic pipe sleeve for the 18650). It literally takes 15-30 minutes to make with simple tools and works GREAT. I did two of my lights and three for friends so far.

Your three AA rechargeables will only put out around 3.3-3.6 volts and will decline from there; one 18650 will be 4.2 volts, a SIGNIFICANT voltage improvement. Three alkalines will be maybe 4.2 - 4.5 volts to start, also a significant INITIAL improvement over 3 nicads. I think nicads decline slower voltage-wise than alkalines, but don’t really know.

I have found the thrower to be a real miser on 18650 use. Left it on for 30-minute walk and it was still like 4.01-4.05 volts with a fasttech unprotected samsung purple (2800 mah).

Or if you have the BLF A8 light, you can use that battery tube and one 26650. It pretty much threads perfectly into the thrower head, although just a tad short on the thrower’s threaded “pocket.” Nota big deal though. Plenty of threads do thread in to make it much sturdy. Looks kinda cool, if kinda two-toney.

You could also use one 14500 and some kind of dummy cells for the other AA-to-C adapters. I see someone says two 14500s work, but I really wonder for how long. And one 14500 couldn’t last long methinks.

Hope this helps!!

That’s right, you will not get huge gains, it is already pretty good. You already got the light for a great price, why spend alot of money to make it a little bit better. In this case then, go for the cheap or free mods.

Convert to direct drive - free
Lower internal resistance - free is you have the wire and know how

Those 2 mods right there are enough to give you noticeable improvement for basically no extra cost.

Beyond that you have a better lense, reflector, driver change, added heat sinking and even a better emitter, all of which will cost a lot of money, way more than the original light itself. You have to decide how far you want to go.

If you use that AA to C adapter and replace 3C Alkaline, you are replacing a total of 4.5V (3x1.5) with 3.6V (3x1.2) Other than ending up with a rechargable flashlight, I think you might actually get less lumens, depending on the ability of the 3 AA’s to drive the current. If you don’t mind 18650’s, that mod is here and will give you more lumens. If you already have an 18650, that mod can be very inexpensive, especially if you have the other parts on hand.

My Leica lenses came in today and I like them. Thanks Phil!
I posted a quick reflection comparison of the 64mm Leica lens to plastic and uncoated glass. Enjoy!

I was using AA Eneloops at first because I didn’t want to buy “c” cell and I was just keeping the light by the door to spot things that go bump in the night. Decided I really like this light so I wanted more run time and current. I try to avoid serial Li-ion’s whenever possible. So I rigged a quick and dirty parallel setup. I want to make a better version with copper sheet (when I ever get some).

Used a 3/4” black plastic plumbing tubing (Stuff used to run underground sprinker systems). Cut to a length that comes up to the bottom of the threads in the tail end of the tube. Cut some aluminum flashing (In roofing section of home improvement stores) to attach the positive terminals to each other and again for the negative terminals. Length has to accommodate a double sided adhesive foam. Use something more durable like rubber or plastic. Foam compresses and tears too easily (The foam was just for a test run). Attached to the adhesive foam square making sure that the two connectors do not touch. You absolutely don’t want to short out Li-ions. Test for shorts. The set up is too short. I used 4 copper pennies (pre-1982) as a spacer. Only use similar cells charged to the same voltage. You don’t want an venting or explosion event. Anyone using this approach does so at their own risk.

You did what I was thinking about. Congrats for actually doing it. Could you post pictures again with another background. In my mind what I could not get past is how to construct the 2 cell to parallel holder with the appropiate jumpers to “leapfrog” the 2 positive terminals and the 2 negative terminals.

Sorry about the busy background. I’m short on time now, but I will try to take a better picture when I get a chance. I took this picture this morning after making another holder for a different flashlight. Hopefully it is clearer.

Changes made:

  1. Replaced the temporary foam separator with a much safer divider. Used plastic (cut from water bottle cap) sandwiched between rubber-like, double-sided adhesive tape.
  2. Wrapped aluminum jumpers with copper tape to decrease resistance and to make more durable. By the way, the aluminum jumpers could be made from soda cans. I forgot to mention that I folded over the material along the spine to triple the thickness.
  3. Added electrical tape to spine with a bit over the start of each tab to further decrease risk of a short.

It’s not pretty, but it will do for now.

You might want to use protected cells just in case

Do you have an exact name and a sku number for that pipe?

It must be an east-coast thing. I tried every pipe in my Orange County Home Depot and could not find any that would work as a sleeve for 18650s. Ended up using a normal 18650 sleeve that comes with many lights and wound tape around to make it thicker. Maybe I’ll try Lowe’s.

Below is a link to the exact pipe I used. Unfortunately, it is only sold in 100ft rolls. Internally it’s wider than then 18650’s, but you need some extra space for the “jumpers”. I sliced my tube down it’s length to accommodate another pipe in my previous AA set up. So it expands just slightly when loaded with the pipe and jumpers. Makes for a nice fit in the flashlight tube.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_24166-124-2-75100100_4294822029?productId=3514714&Ns=p_product_avg_rating\|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_avg_rating\|1&facetInfo=

Have you looked in the vinyl tubing and irrigation areas?

HD lists sched 40 PVC and DWV with 1.05 OD and .75 ID. Conduit has a larger ID @ .824 in. If you’ve looked at these they are probably too large at the OD and would need some slimming. My calipers say that maybe 1.5 thousandths larger OD might work, but I think 5 thousandths would need to be turned down to fit.

Are you looking for 1” OD with 3/4” ID (25.04mm OD with 19.05mm ID)?

Watts vinyl tubing (example: SKU # 369329) in black, clear and braided, along with rubber heater hose are listed as 1” with .75” ID at HD online, but not as cheap as pipe.

Not sure if I’ll get a chance to look in the AM. If not, it may be a several days before I can get back to look.

I’d also like a (safe) parallel 18650 setup. I’m thinking a small center spacer out of a wood dowel that the u-shaped leads connect/lock into might be nice.

Sch40 (white) is just a hair (and I mean, 1.5mm) too big for the defiant. If you have a router, you can shave a bit off. (Hand tools would be time consuming.) 18650s fit reasonably well inside… if I’m worried about rattle, I’ll put an o-ring on them.

That’s good advice since there is more risk of accidentally shorting the cells when making your own holder. Other than that, my understanding is that parallel set ups are pretty safe as long a you start out with cells of equal voltage. Obviously, the normal single cell safety precautions should still be followed. If you have another reason that I/we should be aware of, please share. It may be good to post such information in the thread to:

You could slice as small slither the pipe length wise. Then it would compress into the flashlight body. Sounds like it might be a better pipe then I used. Thank you for the info ruffles.

4C will fit in a 3D body with an adapter sleeve and a shorter spring.

I’m pretty sure I’ve put pics up here but the search option has disappeared and my Google-fu is weak.

This gives the option of 3D or 4C. My Varapower 2000 prototype is way down on output on 3D but still gives heaps of light. I own at least 3 lights that give more output but the Varapower is usually at the back door for large black dog spotting duties at night. If not, it’s a SkyRay King. Which walks all over it for output.

>>>>>Have you looked in the vinyl tubing and irrigation areas?

Yes, I spent over an hour at HD, going through EVERY pipe there. And I mean EVERY pipe. Electrical, plumbing, gas, water. All of it. Even PVC fittings that I thought I could cut. Nada. The 18650 would fit nicely in some, but most would not fit in the defiant.

If it’s available in rolls, it may be illegal in California. I do NOT remember all the details, but we had one heck of a time finding 1/4-mile of spooled waterline at for a house in Death Valley. The rolls of drinking water pipe were ONLY available in Nevada. It’s been 15 years now, so I do not remember any of the details, but that may be the case.

The original member who did the first defiant 18650 had a black sleeve that fit PERFECTLY. HD staff said that they don’t carry that pipe. I did notice that someone had a Lowe’s link. I will try Lowe’s tomorrow and see waht they have.

Thanks for all your help.