Fake Trustfire Flames - Death to the general myth

I read that DX sells fake trustfire flames, at least that they did. I dont know how it is now, but whatever. Also that there are a lot of fake flames out on the market.

This video did not give the flames any better reputation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtAR1Jmquk
This battery was fake though.

I recently bought some Trustfire 18650 3000mAh from Fasttech, and those are genuine, even though they measure 2500~2600 mAh. (that’s what they write on the info about this batteries on their site) But who cares, it is the best batteries for this price.

I removed the coating, and this is what it looks like, and should look like:

You can see the protection on the yellow tape-thing going from top to the end.

Thanks for the info.

You would have known that its protected without having to take it apart. Just take a close look at the negative end.

Besides, these cells might be "OK" for cheap cells, but there are cells with a better price-performance ratio.

Agree, only a couple of dollars more for a pair of Sanyo cells.

I have a seen lot of cheap protecteds, the ones that goes along with clone 2x18650 lights with charger combo. What is more important is the cell being used.

Prices on the good cells keep dropping and the cheap ones keep going up.

Even if your TFs turn out to actually measure 25-2600, the fact that you got decent ones doesn’t change the fact that plenty of people get crappy ones. And there’s no way to know before they’re in your hands.

Panasonics and Sanyos from reputable sellers for me.

Interesting. That guy trying to find the protection circuit “inside” the battery….

I have been using TF flames for years. No problems.

Yes, Sanyo or other reputable brands… the better

Fasttech has better batteries, but the price is double as well. Where can i find better batteries for just a couple of bucks more that ships international?

The sanyo and panasonic batteries ive seen is much more expensive…

Fasttech. Trustfire “3000” are $8.78 for two, Sanyo 2600 are $11.03 for two.

$2.25 more expensive.

Sanyo 2600mah are better and roughly $2 more with coupon code.

+1 beat me to it :slight_smile:

before you guys say the sanyo’s are better…take a look at the tests…real tf 3k’s are an impressive battery

You chose wrong one, those are 2800mAh UR18650ZT.

This is real one

The Sanyo cells are just slightly different in execution. I dont know too much about understanding that graph, but to me it looks like 0,13Ah in the difference between those batteries, its not much. If you buy like three pack of those, ill keep my $6,75, and maybe put in another 2 bucks and buy one more pack of batteries :wink:

Anyways, to me it was either those Flames, or Panasonic 3400mAh. Between those batteries you can se (and i bet experience) difference in execution. With my budget for now, half the price was doable.
I just dont se why to use more money to buy the “same” batteries. If it was just one pack, sure.

I know, some of you guys dont trust the flames, and maybe had bad experience with fakes ones and stuff, and are only buying from known produsers, but these are genuine and ill just wait and se if i get sweat under the forthskin or not.

Edit: Wait, the Flames did better?

The peformance of the from HKJ tested TF3000 batteries is really good, no doubt. The sanyo FM is better but it is a unprotected in the test and this makes a huge difference...so we shouldnt think that this is the best ever battery.(if you doubt compare the NCR18650B with the protected NCR18650 at 3A+)

You still doubt?

look at that it proofs that the panasonic 3400 are faaaaaar better...

Oh wait a moment they aren't so much better

What should us say this...? Diagrams lie, you must have the ability to interpret them.

But the problem is you never know how your TF3000 behaves, there is a lot of difference between the batteries not sure if they are really fake or just bad genuine ones. The sanyos do a much better job in consistency. I bought the TF3000 from fasttech as well and the protection circuit on one cell died, FET burned...after using them on 4A discharge and a bit heat.

I wanted to buy them forever and after it seemed to be "genuine" good cells on Fasttech I ordered instantly. So if you want consistent quality go for brand batteries, if you want cool looking batteries go for TF3000. Everyone should make this decision by them self.

And at all
The thread OP doesnt make any sense to me. How does this proof that they are genuine? I tell you it doesn't... You really haven't won anything with ripping the wrap, but you have lost the coolest wrap on earth. Oh man they look awesome, if someone would cell this wrap i would buy 10m at least and wrap everything(including salami) in it.

From my experience with trustfire batteries. I use to think all those guys at cpf were crazy spending that much money on a AW cell when TF’s where half the price, They always seemed to perform quite well for me.
They where at one point decent batteries for the money and you found a good set looks like and time will tell how good of a set you got. Its my understanding that they are recycled cells. Someone correct me if I’am wrong.
I use to use trustfire’s with flame’s all the time. They consistently where decent performers. Not the best battery but maybe the best for the money.
Then not to long ago I received some flame trustfire’s from KD that were crap. I fully charged them then proceeded to discharge them to find out what the true capacity was. Set the charger to 3 amps discharge, when the charger hit 3 amps it suddenly stopped with the 3v cut off point. Well, thought maybe I received a bad cell so I done the same with another KD trustfire. The charger cut off without even hitting 3 amps. These brand new trustfire’s that I had just ordered would not even hold 3v at a 3 amp discharge. Pretty much useless in a single cell XML light.
I will not buy any TF again as long as they are sanyo’s and Panasonics at places like fasttech for a few dollars more than the TF’s. You will save money in the long run by buying quality batteries. They will outlast, over the years and out perform cheap cells. Just my 2 cents.

The dude in that vid is a tweaker.

I dont doubt a bit that the Panasonics are better :stuck_out_tongue:
And i do not know exactly how to read this graphs, or interpet. Dont know much about batteries at all actually, just a little.
“I bought the TF3000 from fasttech as well and the protection circuit on one cell died, FET burned…after using them on 4A discharge and a bit heat” - You mean that the protection died after charging them with 4 amps? Im waiting for a Soshine 4 amps charger (4 slots) The batteries will be charged with 1 amp each. Do you think that would kill the protection circuit or the battery? (Flames batteries)

Edit: And by the way, will the charger charge 4amps to the battery if i only have one battery in it?

Thank you for sharing your experience :slight_smile:
Next time when my budget allows, i will defenitely go for the better brands one. Panasonic 3400 is in my mind.