Then Gearbest.com is responsible for the CE approval then?
I did not buy this as a company, but as a private person. (since I have no company yet). So I used it as a private person that paid Gearbest.com for a CE approved product?
This is not correct. This forum is not public and access to it is a privilege allowed to us by the admin. He, not any of the advertisers, decides what stays and what goes. To imply otherwise is slander and possibly blackmail to prevent being deleted.
Keep your eye on the target, it’s GearBest you seem to have a problem with. Maybe make an offer to change the other thread title and include an explanation. “Principles before people” doesn’t work nearly as well as “people before principles”. You’ve had an offer for a full refund, explain to the people on the other end why your principles don’t jive with merely deleting that thread and see if they understand. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Different culture, different rules.
Since when is Norway a part of EU? 
I have never gotten anything from them, but you sure keep destroying your credibility with these attacks on everyone, it is revealing that your problem with BG, is your natural style anyway, regardless of the merits of your current problem with them.
Kenneth Myhre
Early on I recognized you.
I was polite and suggested the problem with your box was user error. Now I am going to come right out and say it. It was intentional, for the sole purpose of bashing BLF and our beloved vendors. You clearly have an alterior motive in all this.
I doubt it. The EU law says the importer or the EU based manufacturer.
In case the box do not live up to CE requirements the state may have a case against you if you sell the it and you might have a case against Gearbest if you can show that they promised* your CE approved equipment.
*Did you ask for a CE test report and got a fake one? If you plan on selling stuff from China, the first to do is request the CE test report (You must be able to show it to the government on short notice). Selling without securing that test report will always be a gray area, but I believe it is very common.
> Norway … EU
My oops. Norway is a member of the EEA:
see also: http://www.cmgcorp.net/CE-Marking-Testing-Countries-Require.shtml
And, just connecting a power supply isn’t a sufficient test — questions would include, I think*: is the spacing between the electrical positive and negative conductors adequate, and, does the case flex with handling enough to allow a short circuit.
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- remember I”m just some guy on the Internets. Check this opinion with someone knowledgeable about the subject and risk analysis.
Everyone knows GearBest are sharks. As are the other big Chinese sellers.
They try this offer of a percentage as a settlement all the time, Ive red about it countless times here. I dont bother arguing with them, I dont correspond with them any more than PayPal require, I just let PayPal do it. I wouldnt need to remove my thread or post, and if Im entitled to it, chances are Ill get 100% refund.
Your problems start when you try to convince them they are doing the wrong thing. They dont get it, thats why they act that way in the first place, or they dont care. Truth is they have a different value system, different culture and they probably arent sociopaths at all, but it comes across that way as this is how they think business is done. For them, in China, it is how its done. Either way, youre just pissing in the wind.
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I did not have any issue with them, before they told me to delete the thread here on this forum, also after I tried to tell them that it was not allowed. And that I would not do it. They try to give me more money to do it, but I refused. I told them this would get in a new thread if they did not reply back, they did not reply back, hence the this thread.
I have seen their metodhs, they buy there out of negative reviews, and they buy positive reviews. I will loose $100 on this thread, but see here, what they offered me before all this happened. And then I was happy, so I did it. How many other positive reviews of them has been paid do you think?
See how they get positive reviews, and maybe then you can understand why I’m sceptical to people that talk warmly about them, and think it’s ok that they should be allowed to censor BLF and other forums, and their users (and customers)
You are going way overboard dude.
Why can younot handle your affairs between you and the merchant only?
You are dragging the ( neutral) forum into unneccessary drama.
I’d say you made things worse by putting the vendor on the defensive from the beginning when you
referred them to the BLF link to your post/rant—instead of just describing the issue.
Yes—Chinese vendors can be difficult or even unscrupulous to deal with; but you
escalated the situation quickly—reducing your chances of resolution.
I, for one—hope this thread does get deleted—as it detracts from the positive enjoyment of our Flashaholic Community.
I do not agree that this a campaign thread. At least it is a report of that a company tries to influence what is and what is not written on BLF. That is something that concerns the BLF community or at least something I want to hear about.
The truth, I was bored, lost my job last year, bad times, I wanted to see if there was a marked for stuff like this here in Norway, since I can see some similar products, but not many. So I used off my savings, $3000, bying all sorts of things that used 18650 batteries, that I could try to sell.
First on a place like Ebay (but the Norwegian versions of it, not Ebay), then maybe put up a website, selling this stuff. If there was a marked, and I was starting a company, I of course had got all the rules for sales etc of electrical products. But I did not do it now.
The last month I used to buy stuff, then I had to wait to get the goods (some can take a month more before it’s here), then the plan was to slowly put more and more ads up, see if there was a marked.
But just now, I’m a private person with a HUGE stock of 18650 stuff and batteries. So I’m just a normal customer, that used over $1000 on Gearbest.com last month. And as a private person, I have to trust the seller, Gearbest.com to sell me stuff that works and that is safe to use?
Or do you always ask for lots of paper work on everything you buy as a private person also? Don’t think thats common practice. You look at their site, their ads, their info about the product, and you order from that info.
Don’t let CE mark fool you, it does not have to mean it is safe, it could also mean china export.
I did use that link because it had all the info, all the pictures, all the feedback from people with more knowledge then me. So should I use lots of time writing all this to them, or use the easy way, post the link?
And their BLF representative had seen the thread anyway, so they was aware of it, I’m sure of.
So all I did was to give them the possible to see all the facts, pictures, info about this issue in one thread, then make a decision. I got recommended by several people in that thread to ask for a full refund, so I did. I listen to BLF members, I have respect for them. But Gearbest.com has no respect for this forum and it’s users. They clearly say so in this part of the ticket:
Do you think that is respect for BLF and it’s users?
I wanted that, but they wanted to censor me…I can’t allow them to do that. So I can move on if they don’t censor me. They still have good offers etc.
IMHO This is not censor. This is extortion.
I have to say I think the problem is you get way too excited Ken. I shop with most of the known vendors Banggood, gearbest, DX etc. When I rarely have a problem I take it to PayPal, but it’s rare. One of the big problems is you are buying crap. Ultrafire batteries, power banks that work out more expensive than the Xaomi’s. The reason I have very few problems is because I buy quailty, samsung, Sanyo etc, thus I minimise the risk.
The Chinese vendors work differently to the way we do in europe , so learn to work with them.
However I also think there are a few members getting a little excited as well here, Ken is venting his frustrations which he, in my opinion has probably brought on himself, but I like to think we are a pretty tollerent place and the thread won’t be deleted.
Marc.
+1
The “crap” buying has been up before, yes before I joined this forum and a couple of other, I did buy some Ultrafire batteries and some low quality flashlights from Ebay (type 3000lm on a single XML emitter) for my self, changing out my 8 years old batteries and flashlights (that still worked, but wanted to have some new ones). But when I joined this forum, I was recommended Gearbest.com very fast, and many people recommended them here on this forum. So I believed that they would be a better store then using Ebay. After that I have not got lots of crap, I have purchased lots of good stuff, etc I only have real battery brands now, good ones. New ones. I have ordered flashlights highly recommended by members here, or from threads I found.
So the stuff i have is not crap. Maybe this power bank is not crap, I don’t know. The first one I tested was crap. Thats for sure.
The reason why I have many threads about crappy products, was because I started to getting them when I joined this forum, but they was ordered around one month before. But just because I did do a mistake before I joined this forum, it do not mean that I don’t listens to your members I try to buy good stuff.
But since my plan was to start selling some of the stuff, I can’t pay $200 for a empty power charger just because high price = high quality. If I’m going to do this as a business, I have to make money, and my prices can’t be to high.
But there is no point explaining my self, since i once buy Ultrafire, all I ever buy after is crap. Regardless of what store I buy from. (of course, that means that every store I buy from sells only crap)