BLF Kronos X6/X5 GB - Group Buy now closed.

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I got my set #021/400. Here are my first impressions.

  1. The lights are heavy!
  2. Some of the corners of box are a little dinged from shipping, but only noticeable upon close inspection.
  3. The bottom felt is worn through because of the weight of the lights and movement during shipping.
  4. The black foam insert smells. I am concerned about deterioration over time. Who knows how the outgassing will affect the metals.
  5. The X5 can tailstand when off but is wobbly when on. The X5 is wobbly when off and won’t tailstand when on.
  6. Both emitters are not exactly centered.
  7. Other than tiny issues above, the build quality is excellent.

My plan is to shave some rubber from the tail caps and investigate replacing the foam insert.

Edit: I shaved 1mm from the X5 tail cap and it is stable tail-standing.

one year rookie

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I have nothing against you or anyone but honestly you have build up a reputation where most of the things you order don’t work as they should and can’t be fixed by yourself, which is… Uncommon?

Thats because I ordered cheap (type Ultrafire and Cree) lights, that’s promised the world, and was just crap. The last 6 months or so, I have only got Convoy S2+ (30 pcs) and Convoy C8 AK47 (10 pcs) lights from Simon, each specially modified (and Gearbest), Eagle Eye X6 XP-L HI (6 pcs) from a producer that made a small batch, then I have been on three Group Buys here, actually 4. BLF A6 (got 7), BLF D80 (got 4), 4 x BLF-348 – Classy and Small 1xAAA Stainless Steel light and now the BLF X6 SS/Cu and Al GB. Also got some JM35, Yezl y3 and a Nitecore MH20 (it was expensive)

I have learned from my mistake, and would say that I only buy premium lights now, since the GBs provides premium lights. If they don’t do that, and people still think I buy crap, why do we have the GBs then?

But still, this time I was unlucky with ONE Al X5 light of all the lights mention over

Uncommon, yes, but not for lacking of trying to get premium lights without the knowledge to build one my self.

Kenneth Myhre

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bugsy36 wrote:

MY mistake thinking it was the SS/Cu set but my position still stands.

Ken, you need to learn more….just  fact of it. You look for the tiniest fault in everything and that is not what this place is (at least in my opinion). This place takes great pride in taking nothing and making something. With these group buys we do our best to make that possible for everyone with no effort AND at a cost less than what one could do for the cost of parts alone.

The yellow may or may not go away…I do not know because it IS not uncommon BUT once you mentioned “Contact Neal” all bets are off in my book. If you can make it go away …great…if not, then just sell them…you are after-all in the flashlight reselling business.

Thats little of my point. You use so much time to create the “perfect” light, for a good price. You work for months. Then, when I buy a such light, I have higher exception to that light then to a $2 Ultrafire light on Ebay. I must be the most unlucky person on this planet, for what is the change that I get a slightly “damaged” light from this great GB?

Stop taking it so personal. I love the work you and the rest of the team have done. Love the SS/Cu set, love the taillight, love the UI, you have done a hell of a job. But some Chinese person has not done a good job on this Al X6, no QC. That’s not your or the teams fault, but the producer.
Neal is selling thees lights, and if any, he can fix this issue with my light.

So, no personal to you or the team (despite you are very personal with me).

Kenneth Myhre

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tarver wrote:
well my boxed set arrived yesterday and i never got to see it because it was apparently stolen off my front porch


… this makes me sad too.


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Paint it black and IR thermometer will work perfect.

Blasphemy!

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tarver wrote:
well my boxed set arrived yesterday and i never got to see it because it was apparently stolen off my front porch

Maybe TK can activate the remote GPS locator for you.

Seriously, that sucks. I hope they drop the X6 on their toe.

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Not just crap I have now…

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southland wrote:
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southland wrote:
People need to be more grateful, … Nitpicking on thease minor flaws is very discouraging …

Sorry, I mean no offense but this and others like it are the very type of post I find nonproductive.

How does nitpicking help? … Nobody likes being thanked for all the hard work in this way.

To restate an earlier thought in a different way…

Thanks for thinking of us organizers, southland. Defending us, fighting for us. Skirmishing with the nay-sayers. The thought is appreciated. Warm fuzzies all around. Smile

However, I kind of agree with Brett… for one simple reason. I knew what I was getting into when I signed up for this.

I can handle the flames myself.

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tarver wrote:
well my boxed set arrived yesterday and i never got to see it because it was apparently stolen off my front porch

I feel your pain. That sucks the big one.
I stopped my mail for the week so I could pick it up from the PO. Also just installed a locking mailbox since mail theft is rampant in some areas now.

Ken, try a latex swim cap or non slip mat laid flat on a table. Use that to grip the reflector and twist the head. Try it at different temperatures. Don’t get defensive, just don’t respond to those posts. That’s a large part of your current reputation. Practice on me.

Three Tanna leaves to give him life, nine to give him movement. But what if he eats the whole bag?

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tarver wrote:
well my boxed set arrived yesterday and i never got to see it because it was apparently stolen off my front porch

Tarver...if you are stateside...pm me your address

It's the simple things that we take for granted that cost us the most

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Rufusbduck wrote:

Ken, try a latex swim cap or non slip mat laid flat on a table. Use that to grip the reflector and twist the head. Try it at different temperatures. Don’t get defensive, just don’t respond to those posts. That’s a large part of your current reputation. Practice on me.

Maybe try using a couple of the Jar grippers

Got one for my wife and she hasn’t asked me to open a jar in a long time ! (wine yes, jar no)

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Saypat, great pics! VERY sharp, man don’t ya just love that knurling! Smile

Ken, you also have a nice shot there, those beauties really stand out in a crowd, even with their Al siblings. Sweet! Wink

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bugsy36 wrote:

tarver wrote:
well my boxed set arrived yesterday and i never got to see it because it was apparently stolen off my front porch

Tarver…if you are stateside…pm me your address


I can see where you are headed Bugsy and I have to say, that is really nice of you.

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I have a small set of files with the handle end being about 1/8” in diameter. I worked this smooth 1/8” file shank into the metal clip of my X5 then supported the file on both sides over my bench vise with rubber covered jaws while the clip hung loose between the jaws. Then I drove the clip onto the file til it was up against the curve of the bend. When I pulled it back out, the clip was perfectly parallel! Smile My bench vise is plastic, so I wasn’t hitting the clip all that hard with the hammer, the hammer is a ballpeen hammer head but it has no handle on it.
Very pleased with how this worked out.

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That looks sweet! Thanks for the info. Now are you got to bend it to contact the body?

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emarkd wrote:
Slightly better shot of my modded tailcaps:
ToyKeeper wrote:
Anyway, I think the blue tailcaps are cool. I just want to tone it down a bit to extend standby time and make it a bit less eye-catching in public.

At first I really loved the blue. Blue is a mood light, has a calming effect, often elemetary school walls will be painted light blue to chill the kids out, at least that is the theory. When reports came in of its brightness, espescially for dark adjusted eyes, my mild concern was immediately for inadvertantly resetting circadian rhythms. That’s what blue light will do: the studies are old, from the late 1960’s, and sufficiently repeated since then to become known as “good science,” (as opposed to “junk science” that is so popular, and untrustworthy, which is what I think Dale was getting at). As others mentioned, the issue has recently been in the news with LED screens disrupting sleep patterns for iDevice-like consumers keeping themselves awake inadvertantly with bright screens with a lot of blue light coming out of them. Some manufactures are responding to this, adding a feature to reduce the blue light, a night mode.

Then I had to admit to myself, in all honesty, that I am a night owl, so this won’t affect me adversely being up all night anyway. Night time is peaceful. The blue light will accentuate the peaceful mood with a tranquil calming. Though I love the Sun, flashlights work best at night.

Now after seeing your images, I realized suddenly there is a problem with blue light due to my subtropical location… bugs! For that reason alone, I may opt to switch to a lower frequency, higher wavelength. Most bugs should be entirely unaware of 660nm… but then there is the heat of red, which mosquitoes are somewhat attracted to, can apparently detect, and they investigate. I’m not sure what the ideal light frequency is to both avoid both attracting the little harmless critters as well as the annoying biting ones is— possibly an orange, 600nm, orange-red, whathaveyou.

With all the earlier talk of replacement switch assemblies without the LED, I’m now wondering of the possibility of attaining more switch assemblies with the LED, so multiple colors can be created for full swaps. How about entire assembled tail caps, so swapping out becomes nearly effortless? These lights can benefit from neat technical accessories like that. But I don’t know how far is too far, too luxurious and decadent, as having a drawer full of tail switch assemblies in their own tail caps, mostly going unused.

ToyKeeper wrote:
Science doesn’t give us answers. It just gives us a progression of theories which are less wrong than what we thought before. So… it’s not really about being right. It’s about being less wrong.

Yes, science is not truth, but instead but an evolving process that brings us ever-closer approximations of truth. Science attempts to model truth. Camelot! Camelot! Camelot! Its only a model. That’s not Truth! The science community moves forward when long standing paradigms are shattered by new theories backed by experiments that are repeatable anywhere with the same results, when these theories give us more accurate results. I’m not sure the paradigm-model of science is even the best one possible, but that’s what everyone has been using for some time now. Oh, you have a new idea? Its crap because this paradigm exists, and your ideas will be suppressed, maybe until long after you’re dead, until the evidence is overwhelmingly in your favor that you are correct. Until then, you’re just a wacko, fringe pseudoscientist. Science is approximations of truth, and models for predictions, and paradigms to protect the models. And it is clear there is a lot of junk out there, mostly the stuff that makes it to the popular media. I left science to study philosophy, because I love knowledge and I was interested in truth. Truth is the domain of philosophy, I’m afraid, and as it turns out, truth is likely unknowable. And science backs this up. What a waste of time and money. TIME and MONEY, now that is the new hotness. Forget science and philosophy, what you want is time and money.

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I answered your questions despite being irritated with your tone numerous times because I thought that there was no way that someone could receive as much criticism as you have and continue to be difficult when someone treated you kindly in a gesture of good faith.

You didn’t say thank you, even though myself and others have tried to help you. You refuse to listen when others who are authorities on the subjects you question try to give you information that would solve your problems. You insult all of us by claiming that you were the one that was being reasonable.

If you have any other questions, I hope someone else has more patience than I do, because I’m done.

Btw, I’m not going to alert Neal that you are a trouble maker, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else does or already has.

You are on my permanent “Do not deal with” list that I keep in pen on paper on the top shelf of my desk.

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Lighted tail caps rock! I want more! Don’t care what color.

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DB Custom wrote:

Edit: I don’t know how to forum.

Just making sure I get this right, yours looks perfect….

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Lighted tail caps rock! I want more! Don't care what color.

Yeah they do!!

It's the simple things that we take for granted that cost us the most

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I think I may leave the ramped opening away from the body that little bit so it has less chance of marking it up. It’s not really secured by that pinch factor anyway, with the more substantial weight of the full copper light it hangs deep in the pocket with ease as long as the clip can accept a hem. Probably won’t carry this one anyway, as I’ve got the quad on me at all times.

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wow that warm glowing cap on the copper really brings a sensual dimension to it and takes it up another level in the ‘artistic’ rendition of a sophisticated tool.
The blue looks good on the ‘cold steel’, maybe a tad bright, but can be tamed easily with a bit of filter/diffusion, using circular cutouts of acetate sheets/gels right at the top of the boot, without doing any circuit modifications.
The SS is just too heavy for clip carry, but without the clip, a gap there dis-harmonize the continuous line…what to do ?

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my reflector in my x5 is jammed also is this a problem? can i try and force it or will that be bad? any chance that the copper would shrink if its really cold or hot?

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“…Its crap because this paradigm exists…in the popular media…”
Fret not…A Priori has it’s limits, because it deals with the past. Relish your own discoveries in the present, and look ahead in wonderment what tomorrow may bring.
(…The slow one now will later be fast, As the present now will later be past…B.Dylan)
Keep writing code TK, all’s well. Wink

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I absolutely love your photography, I need to break out my dslr, I learned a little bit trying to photograph frogs as a kid, my phone doesn’t cut the mustard. I had to apologize sending pics of the X6/X5 to my brother in law who is a photography buff.

Thanks for all the pics, you are a huge reason why this forum is fun for me. I’m thinking a tripod is in my future.

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polygon wrote:
Relish your own discoveries in the present, and look ahead in wonderment what tomorrow may bring.

Good advice. I spend too much now thinking of then.

polygon wrote:
(…The slow one now will later be fast, As the present now will later be past…B.Dylan)

Good artists copy, great artists steal, so they say Picasso said, and Dylan stole that gem from Matthew 20:16. Sorry for being pedantic, but I had to look it up. Is it more important who is saying, or what is said? The words reformulate, but the message stays the same.

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everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
my reflector in my x5 is jammed also is this a problem? can i try and force it or will that be bad? any chance that the copper would shrink if its really cold or hot?

Coefficient of aluminum is much higher than copper so cooling it will shrink the reflector more than the copper head. If it’s jammed then either cross threaded or just too tight. If cross threaded it might appear tilted in the head. Copper is soft so over tightening could explain this or just from snugging the bezel. Don’t know for sure just educated guesses at this point.

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Dale, I’m glad the file and hammer trick worked for your X5 clip, but it didn’t for mine. I might have been too aggressive with the hammer. Anyway, I’m now in the market for a new clip. Preferably with a wider and deeper loop than the stock one.

Notwithstanding my new clipless state, these are awesome lights. Just spent 20 minutes with my 5 year old son playing with my Al X5. He figured out how to turn on turbo, laughed like a maniac, then suggested that we should get another one as a present for mom. And now she can be mad at him instead of me when I buy it. Win Win!

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nocturne wrote:
I left science to study philosophy, because I love knowledge and I was interested in truth. Truth is the domain of philosophy, I’m afraid, and as it turns out, truth is likely unknowable.


So… you left science to talk about stuff you can’t know?

I can dig that. Why be enslaved by the tyrannical impositions of evidence when we can just make stuff up?




… several hours later:

Fly, my little sophist machines! Spread unknowables across the lands!





… several more hours later:

I wonder if I should get into politics.




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ToyKeeper wrote:

So… you left science to talk about stuff you can’t know?


Smile

H)

I see you know your Wittgenstein: Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

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