Convoy L6... XHP70 Beast!

Good things come to those who wait. -somebody, probably

Just relax. 5 months for a flashlight to be created from the ground up is very little time considering everything involved in the process.

As someone who has worked in some kind of customer-facing/customer-service position my entire (short) professional life, I can emphatically say Marshall Field was wrong.

The customer is usually only “right” if you are trying to make a quick sale and get rid of them with a smile on their face. If you are actually trying to do what’s best for the customer and solve whatever problem brought them to you, it involves asking more questions and usually re-directing expectations.

- end rant -

Now this is a GOOD quote!
I will keep it in my mind during the Q8 project, that is just starting and well I would like to receive updates every hour :wink:
Thanks

Thanks. It’s not always easy to live by your own advice of course. I’m as anxious as anyone to know everything about the L6 and to have one in my hands but hounding Simon (or me for that matter) isn’t going to make it happen any faster. If it’s a question that hasn’t been asked before then by all means ask me but if I’ve said that I don’t have the answer you can safely assume that #1, I have passed the question along to Simon and #2, the answer will be posted when I do have it.

For the record to all I don’t support anyone insulting each other in all this. Obviously we have a lot of passionate people here. If you’re not passionate about flashlights then you’re probably not reading this. Passionate people have strong feelings and strong opinions. I certainly do. Still, we all need to play nice if this is going to remain fun. :slight_smile:

I really don’t understand what You mean.
Just 1-5 questions in Month. So many time You need for simple answer? (even something like “don’t know”, “no information”).
May be i’m so stupid. Please try to explain it to me.

When hunting with dogs (hounds) the dogs stay in hot pursuit of the game until it can finally run no longer. The game in question usually takes to a tree or any other convenient location that keeps it out of reach of the frenzied hounds. These hounds will bay the animal, sounding off to their master so they can be found.

Hounding someone is a constant nagging, like the dogs on the animals trail. Or kids in the back seat on vacation travels “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? How much longer? I’m so BORED! I gotta pee! Are we there yet?”

Considering that you are only one person it may sound frivolous, but there are many who are anxious, like the pack of hounds hot on the scent of much anticipated “game”. Dozens of eager people “hound” a guy to death with a zillion questions instead of merely waiting for the answers. This consumes time, causes confusion and frustration and inevitably costs far more time than should be expended.

Edit: Worth noting is that virtually no single manufacturer is involved, but each has it’s own queue such as the maker of reflectors, AR coatings on lenses, driver builders, and the final work has to wait on all these outside sources before completion can be managed. Each phase falls into a timing matter, many not even quoted to the original like Simon… he may not have a “concrete” idea on when the drivers will be done, when the lenses will be ready, and so on. So these answers are not possible. A great many people WILL NOT EVER say “I don’t know” as it makes them look bad for lack of information.

But your anger directed solely on me. I don’t understand again. If many people annoying for supplier day after day, thousands of questions. Why is my fault (with my only one question in april) is biggest?

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I will never understand this life credo. I always try to talk to all clearly - as it is. This is a pledge of confidence for the any people. Probably we have too large differences in mentality.

Thanks Mukcep. :slight_smile:

The update is appreciated as I was wondering what was happening.

I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you were stupid. What I mean by “hounding” is repeatedly asking questions that do not yet have a satisfactory answer. Perhaps you asked a question that I missed. If so then please tell me which question you were referring to. You can always send me a PM too if you have a question for me that you don’t see answered in a thread. As far as the exact price and release date, I do not have that information though I have asked Simon. His original estimated price was around $60 but that was only an estimate. I will not post an official price until all things have been finalized as far too many factors can effect the final cost. I expect to be able to list a price soon though. It may be a bit more than the original estimate but it might not. Simon is always very fair with his pricing and BLF members will be given a 15% discount.

Anger? From where do you translate my written words on the screen into anger? Annoyance perhaps, from people not following a chain of command and being patient. You are new here, you are out of line, I told you that as straightforward as possible while trying to maintain a sense of civility. There is nothing for me to be angry about, it’s not my thread, it’s not my toes you are stepping on.

Your style, the lack of respect, is very common these days, both online and in the world at large. That is annoying to me, as I am 53 years old and was taught acting that way is rude. Today’s people want what they want NOW, no waiting! I don’t understand. This forum, this thread in particular, shows us the process we never would have seen, gives us some opportunity to even participate, that doesn’t happen overnight and there are not a lot of concrete answers in the process. Not so very long ago, we simply would not have known this light was being made until it was ready for sale. No inter-action would have been possible.

Your response about the customer always being right… you have to be buying to be a customer. Since the light is not ready for sale, there are no customers, so who’s right? See? Jumping the gun a bit. (another terminology we use in the US, this one in regard to a track runner getting a head start, jumping before the starting pistol is fired.)

Rest assured that JDub and others are pressuring Simon to complete this light. Rest assured too that Simon WILL NOT release the L6 until it meets and/or exceeds his own expectations.

We are dealing with a Chinese culture that is not our own. (for most of us) In a business sense, to say “I don’t know” is weak, not to be admitted and not to be tolerated. So in a lot of cases (I have no idea about this particular set of circumstances) a person asking questions where there are no answers will be lied to in order to appease the timing. The culture accepts the lie much easier than the admission of weakness. I’ve had this happen to me dealing with a Chinese business man. Wait three days, I’ll have it ready for you! 3 weeks later the end is still not clear. Such is life around the world, not always to our liking but offering up opportunity not found elsewhere.

I just asked a question to Simon on Ali because he talked in march about release after 20 days.
So he answer me and i quote his answer here.
I know, it’s my fault - annoying him. But it was my first request in april.
More - i wrote post with Simon’s answer because i want all readers of this topic get new information and don’t annoying you or Simon at least two weeks.

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I don’t understand you again.

I really don’t understand - where is my disrespect to someone?

Maybe you should all stop now and forget what happen! leave it in the past!

You all know the rules on BLF?

No need for bickering!

PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL!

I posted these in post #190 but I realize now that I should have also added them to the OP so here they are again in case you missed them. This is the final light externally at least.

Down the barrel:

Enjoying the breeze:

Hanging out with some good friends:

The special offer for us is a 15% discount though I don’t have the final price yet.

Conversation, simple conversation. How can someone know anything without someone else volunteering information?

Civil? Now it’s me not understanding.

Ok, whatever. Adios.

sometimes the customer hasn’t a clue
(ex-customer service team leader)

@Mukcep
Sometimes (or often) delays just happen. If it isn’t something life-critical you should just arm yourself with patience and just wait. I don’t think that L6 is delayed because of Simon’s ill will.
But if this flashlight is an urgent necessity for you, you should just find a sufficiently similar replacement and buy it.

Hi there :slight_smile:

I already use two flooder. Astrolux S2 and Jaxmann X1. Both have impressive long range qualities especially the X1. I am a hunter and noticed that in many situations there is the need for at least two different lights. The Astrolux S1 is great to lighten up the area directly in front of me. The Astrolux S2 seems to be a great midrange flooder. The X1 is great to check if a 100 m shot on a boar was succesfull.

My question is: How much more light can I expect from the Convoy L6?

There is no definitive answer. …yet! But I can say it’ll be A LOT MORE;)

Hey mate check out the reviews on the Thorfire S70 should be around the same output!

maybe you need some thing like the convoy C8?

But i don’t think this light will be suited to hunting its a bit big!

I’d say checking those reviews for comparison is a good indicator. The light design is similar enough that the beam profile should also be similar.
These lights are basically flooders on steroids… LOTS of steroids. That said, because they are deep reflector designs they do have some throw or maybe more accurate would be long-range flood? Your surroundings would dictate how useful it is at 100m. It will hit that distance with a ton of light but it may also be too much light if you’re trying to focus on one object and there are other objects around. If a lot of close objects were in your field of vision they’ll be lit up so brightly that it will make objects farther away harder to see. As far as hunting usefulness you could buy two, mount one on a tripod to blind your prey then use the other as a club. :wink: