A statment:the COMETA flashlight is not a Jaxman product

I don’t think it’s accurate to say they are Jaxman made lights. Buying a few parts from Jaxman to assemble lights (as Banggood admits in another post) doesn’t make it a Jazman light any more than me buying a barrel bushing and barrel from Colt makes what I’m selling a Colt 1911.

Saw this coming… I mean, who wouldn’t?

First it happened to EagleEye, now Jaxman. Both very respectable manufacturers that have provided the flashaholic community high quality products for a budget price, and in all honestly, they really don’t deserve this.

So next time you guys get into in a groupbuy involving BANGGOOD or ASTROLUX, please rethink twice and thrice, because we will be the responsible for counterfeit and copyright violation, and by doing so we will be the ones killing the budget light market.

For those who don’t understand, I should tell you in chronological order:
-We want the very best light based on certain host with certain specs, so naturally we contact banggood for a groupbuy for such light. Because avoid gearbest right?
-Banggood promises us to deliver certain specs, but they never really tell us if the light will be made by the original manufacturer, or by a third party OEM factory, which is MANKER OEM services. To cut costs and increase profit of course.
-And because the lights we’re buying are a blatant copy of a otherwise very fine product, they have massive design flaws which would not be present if they had designed the light from scratch.
-Then here comes the worst part: the original manufacturer has it’s reputation affected because now we permanently relate the copy to the original.

But who’s to blame? the GB organizers? -of course not, they were just organizing. Bangood? -no, they just saw the opportunity and took it, just business. us the users? -neither, we were just innocently looking for a good flashlight, that’s it.

Personally speaking I’m against counterfeit, it directly/indirectly prevents new, innovative products from being developed. And for stuff this cheap, it’s just plain stupid. So… let’s not ruin this hobby in order to save a few bucks ok?

I don’t think your statement is fair to Jaxman as Banggood has admitted that the lights are made by Manker and Jaxman has no input whatsoever in the Cometa fiasco.

In fact, they are also one of the “victims” as their copyrights are violated and their name was drag down into the mud from this whole fiasco.

The 100 pieces of parts purchased by Banggood were most probably used by Banggood and their OEM manufacturer to “reverse-engineered” the Jaz1 to become a Cometa.

Wow good to see a long post Justin!

With those input can we assume the first bartch had a genuine Jax lens?

All in all good to see some haze clear up here.

I wasn’t one of the participants, have you contacted Jaxman directly first? and saw if they would be interested to make this custom light for BLF? In my experience most manufacturers are not that interested so, they declined the job!…

Well sorry but we know for sure CPF Italia received a sample and they have a Jax Z1 so the check Tom made when it was much too late, will it Lego could have been done before giving the OK
Banggood does not claim it to be a Jaxman on the product page
And if memory serves me even the organisers said “based on” and the lack of response now, the closing of the topic on CPF Italia and no attempt to show the Cometa Lego with Jaxman gives me the strong feeling organisers are and were well aware of differences.

Now that we learn 100 lenses were bought does anybody notice the interesting correlation with roughly 100 Cometas sold and no news whatsoever on the remaining 400?

Laughable… either you were conveniently unaware we requested the JAXMAN Z1, or you just lied. Care to explain?

We produced the COMETA according to our customer Bangood's requirement.

And we never sell this product.

1.@will Who is to blame? Normally the guy who brings the bad news and yes thats me. One guilty in an innocent world

2.@old lumen happy to see you back. In the principe, i believe you are right.

3.@miller be smart and bring us the the perfect Q8

4.@jaxman pls see it as a chance and create the ultimate Z1!! - maybe together with BLF
Many customers are waiting for it!

Well Will, “we” did not request anything.
We were asked to join since they were not going to reach 500 MOQ
We were being sold a light by organisers and got psyched and hyped by reviews, videos, pics and promises.
The only thing we requested was the light and about 100 people ordered from China and a lot of us asked for the light to become available because we were really looking forward to it, yes hyped a lot of us, including me were.

I have been operating behind the scenes to try to get the organisers to act in a way the drama would be much less.
It took me several pms before even the OP and topic title was changed and for the rest it has been total silence.
To tell you the truth I am really pissed off, not because I received a faulty light with 3 (!) shorting possibilities of which the driver short actually happened! no this mess could and should have been handled much better.
And I still think it is not too late, organisers should just step in and face the music.

Now with this burn from Jaxman who sees its good name pulled down I must say, Banggood is not too blame either.
Yes their CS may suck, but thanks to insightfull posts from members and experiences that can be explained and in the end people get resolutions, as it always has been with CS from various larger China Shops.

Banggood proceeded when given the OK to proceed. Banggood merely delivered what was given the OK and what was ordered, there is no blame to be found there.
Also Neal did respond to PMs and the washer solution came pretty fast.
Again, the only review sample was not tested properly so consider that surfacing of the possible short by using cells with wider top was followed up by a solution and announcement of it on the Banggood website swiftly.

Do understand that if the organisers had stayed active and should have confirmed observations of BLFers this is not a Jaxman it would have saved Banggood this now much needed burn from Jaxman.

In light of the Q8 project I had to dedicate a lot of posts and attention to this Cometa mess, and it is not about being nice and protet a fellow flashoholic anymore. “he who burns his buttocks must sit on the blisters” is a Dutch saying.
It is the responsibility of the organisers to test and convey demands.
Yes this is very hard, yes this can be very hard, trust me I really get that first handed now.
But as organisers you can and should say NO if the desired result is not reached or specs are not followed.
Changing obvious deviations from demands yourself to make it look like specced (soldering 20AWG wires instead of used 24AWG) and not mentioning key specs (“based on jaxman host”) not being true nor test it while having the opportunity is just plain poor organising at best.
AND then just go silent to let other parties involved (Banggood/Manker) or gotten dragged in (Jaxman) deal with it is much worse then poor organising.
This avoidable drama, burns and losses can damage the will of external parties to get involved in projects, and as organiser myself this directly infuences me and so I think we as a group/organisers should not blame those parties that make things like this possible, but show we have learned from mistakes made by our own “groupbuy colleges” :wink: and show we as a group can be trusted. In this light I am pleased to see that new Manker/Astrolux the copper part is doing well and BLF clearly trusts Banggood/Manker/Astrolux enough to order soo many of these little powerhouses :wink:

EDIT: ah Manker also joined the party, and rightfully so I think. Manker just say the same as I did, only much much shorter, one makes what is ordered. If I order a croissant and sell it as baguette, the bakery is not to blame, the delivery man is not to blame, I am to blame!

Hi,

ok, let´s go. Look at your Website and the product page of the Z1: http://www.jaxman.net/content/?214.html

The image seen there was taken from my beamshots without asking for permission. This is a copyright violence as well. But that is not all. The beamshot shows two lights that are modified with XP-G2 and 5A driver so your lights don´t perform at the same level.

Original

Some more for comparison.

It is not a big deal for me, but you should have asked me before using that beamshot! A Jaxman X1 as licensing fee for the image would be nice … :wink:

Regards

Kenjii

Dear,
We did not sell Z1 hosts to any dealer. There are many reasons:

1st,the parts of a set of host are hard to package well,we warry about parts would be damaged,polluted,or less during the shipment.
2nd,we are brand flashlight supplier of ourself brand,we have not too much production ability for host parts,even selling host can earn money too.
3rd,we have our quality control system that make we trust the quality of our product. in another word, we know our flashlights than anyone else.We do not to see there are kinds of false problems on a flashlights with a Jaxman logo.

while,if a BLFer ask us for a host,we oftentimes will like to sell one.For the personal fans and the commercial dealing are not the same thing.

As the original designer and producer,we accept customize orders of course.But that not means, we would like to see a 100% outlook to our brand, while it is branded COMETA…….

Even we provide hosts to our dealer, the host is still Jaxman.

Anyway, copy is copy. We have not too much time to deal with such things.

I am moderator on CPF Italia and I have closed the cometa thread, because we are waiting updates from BangGood, and users keept asking the same qestions: Is there an update? When is the Europa coupon ready? When are they updating us… And so on.
When there are no official announcments from the relevant parts, it’s not useful a 91 page thread that every day gets 2 more pages of irrelevant questions.

We were contacted by a BLF member, I explained publically the situation.
http://www.cpfitaliaforum.it/viewtopic.php?p=200081#p200081

As far as I know, there are no relevant updates from the situation stated in my post.

We would like to optimize our product with users’s participation.
The reason why we insist on a standard configuration of mass production of Jaxman flashlight is: that configuration may be not the highest, while it must be proper and mature. As the commercial supplier, we must take care of items as below:
1,SAFE. safe is the first should be face.
2,PRACTICE. as a tool, a flashlight must has a equality of many items.
3,QUALITY OF LONG TERM.we are not a personal shop,today we sell flashlights,tomrrow we shut off.we should make Jaxman products to be famous in this field.

So, for example,what is the advantage of a Z1 with CREE XPL HI? we know the XPL HI lamps give us a less lumens compared with XML2 lamps. HI has a smaller core,so it can give a better spot with a reflector bowls flashlight.While in a lenses flashlight as Z1, the less lumens and the strange core of lamps,will decrease the performance of the Z1.the best lamp for Z1 is still XML (2),or even XPG (2).

So,innovations are not get at random.

I think any one that reads this will understand that you jaxman had nothing to do with the Cometa which we can understand you do not want to tarnish your company image. I will add that to my review of Cometa.

hi,Kenjii,

sorry for use of your picture long time.I must apologize first to you.

The thing is: you know,there is very hard net block in China.I have search our product on internet. when I search Jaxman z1, the screen give me scattered results. the BLF website can not be visited smoothly either.I get your the picture only…

At that time,I need some pictures to construct our website.I find your picture which was saved in my computer many days ago. In fact I did not know anything except that it is a picture of Z1(after modified). I did not know it is one of your photos,
or it was edited in BLF topic…all information is scattered.

And I make sure that I remarked the picture with “modified by USA fans” in Chinese.at all, the main visitor is Chinese…Because of the modify,so we never use the picture in the Z1 page as details of the product. We also worry about it would make a mistake for buyer.

Anyway, we used your picture without permit.I am glad you contact me,otherwise we never know who is the photographer.I will alternate that picture soon,and I would give you a 50% off of z1.

I wish you have a good day sincerely

And don´t forget to change it at your Aliexpress store :wink:

Here we have the other 50% off, I believe a complete free Z1 would be adequate

BTW he is a GERMAN fan.

oh,I reserve this ,so I give a 50% off. :sunglasses:
the website has changed :smiley:

Hi,

sounds fair to me :slight_smile: So feel free to use the beamshot. But i already own a really nice Z1 so i would prefer a discount on the X1 instead :heart_eyes:

The image is from this thread and can also be found in the german flashlight Forum.

http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/threads/jax-z1-xp-g2-s2-dedomed-5a.36151/

I will contact you via PN.

Regards

Kenjii

To the crew a few comments up debating about who to blame and basically coming up empty, I don’t understand that.

  • Clearly Jaxman isn’t to blame. They literally had nothing to do with it and seems to have known nothing about it.
  • I don’t think you can blame the organizers, although maybe there should have been more oversight and less trust. That’s understandable though.
  • I’m not sure on Manker. You’d think that if they were so good at building flashlights, and some of their stuff is really good, they would have realized how dangerous banggood’s design was and spoken up. But if they’re just supplying what was ordered, built to the customer’s specs, I guess that’s all you can really require.

That only leaves Banggood, and I have no problem at all assigning blame for this mess to banggood. The Cometa organizers seem to have been under the impression that they were getting a real Jaxman host, so either they’re lying or banggood deceived them from the beginning. Plus Manker has stated here in this thread that they built the light to banggood’s specs. So it sounds like banggood was playing both ends — misleading the Cometa development crew while simultaneously getting Manker to build them a dirt cheap host. The idea that they’re somehow not to blame because “its just business” doesn’t work for me.