A statment:the COMETA flashlight is not a Jaxman product

Nah, nonsense.

I’ve recently purchased the Uniquefire 1405 and the Jax Z1, the Jax is far better and they’re numerous things I don’t like on the Uniquefire.

There’re plenty of zoomies out there but not many good ones and that’s why the group buy for the Cometa was so popular as they were expecting to get a very good light, the Jax Z1 with the mods already done.

Just double-checked, lot's of things different between the Cometa I rcv'd and the JAX Z1 I have:

  • tailcaps don't LEGO
  • bezels don't LEGO
  • styling/dimensional differences on exterior body parts, other than, and including the tailcap and bezel
  • the aspheric lens is definitely different with a different tint, and the Cometa appears to be lower performing
  • then of course the other different design elements in the pill area, both lower end and top end

Just fyi and my own opinion, from the list above, I can't see any part that is identical to a Z1 part, so I believe Manker is correct, and Jaxman was not deceived about parts being re-used in the Cometa run.

I can only say these are the differences between the Cometa and Z1 I have though - one piece compared to one piece.

Wondering if there’s an apples vs oranges comparison here. The Uniquefire 1504 has similarities to the 1405, but a different form factor. I believe the 1504, while larger in all dimensions to the Cometa, is the more appropriate comparison. I say that with a 1504 sitting next to a Cometa on my desk (both next to my favorite zoomie, a modded Uniquefire 1503, which is very close dimension-wise to the Cometa), Don’t have the 1405 or Z1 to compare.

Maybe this question comes from ignorance of the inner workings of the special editions, but it seems like these problems could be avoided by starting out the dealings with a trusted manufacturer (Jaxman, Convoy, etc.) rather than a dealer/retailer (Banggood, etc.). The thread sounds like BG was free to cobble together a light with parts from who-know-where rather than dealing with known parts form a known and trusted manufacturer.

And, IMHO, there is NO excuse for deviations from spec like using smaller wires. EVER. It should make any organizers think twice or more about using such a manufacturer, and should make any manufacturer think twice or more if it is worth ruining their reputation in the flashlight community to save a penny or two.

They could have used the same or similar lens as the Jax Z1, but changed the body styling. Change the body shape so it doesn’t look like a Jax Z1 at a glance, change the knurling. Add different heatsink fins, etc. The important part would be making sure the changes were sufficient to avoid consumer confusion.

For you the selling point may be that it was a modded Jax Z1. But to avoid making an illegal copy of Jaxman’s light, Manker should have designed their own unique body. I’m sure many people would have joined the group buy if it was advertised as being a custom zoomie with AR coated lens, BLF-A6 driver and XPL HI, with HAIII anodizing.

The thing is, the organizers who received the samples thought they had a real Z1 in hand all this time, or they actually received Jax Z1 prototypes before the production of the copy started. Bangood didn’t change anything on the exterior because their intention was to create an exact copy of the Z1. Simply put, we were sold counterfeit flashlights.

I see that banggood hasn’t been able to answer my simple question yet, BANGGOOD: were you aware we asked for JAX Z1 and not a MANKER made copy?

For the common good of this forum, the next groupbuy involving a existing flashlight and Banggood I will personally make sure they state clearly if it’s just another copy coming from manker factories, just like the X6 and the Cometa.

I’m just saying that the Jax Z1 which the Cometa should’ve been is superior to the UltraFire, it is like comparing apples to oranges as they’re not in the same price range but Muto made the comparison. :wink:

The only real difference between the 1504 and 1405 is the length of the tube for the extra battery.

Muto is effectively saying we didn’t need the Cometa and we don’t need any more zoomies, but if the Cometa was indeed the modded Jax Z1 it would’ve been superior to the Brintye which he mentions and the Uniquefire.

I also have a Brintye B158.

The JAX X6 to me, is one of the best so called “BUDGET” lights out there of the highest fit finish and machining quality, for the $$$$ bar none. I have quite a few X6’s had (3) Z1’s found one Z1 I modded with a XHP70 and FETDD driver, a couple years ago and stored away, and now the new X1. I like that you came out, made your statement, and are standing your ground, way to GO! :+1: JAX and Convoy are my 2 most favorite makers of hand held illumination devices for my money! Continue to move forward and bring us your best, thanks!! :wink:

All sides involved (except organizers) have spoken and what’s next?

I already have Cometa and as it’s said here “Beaten was beaten, fu$$’n was fu$$’n”. Apologize for the expression.
It’s cristal clear who was manipulated all of us in this case.

I still would like to receive the promised from Banggood product - modded Jax Z1.

P.S. With all respect to the organizer of his desire to do something extraordinary and taking the time for this. Anyone can make a mistake …

Thanks for your responses and troubles here.

I hope Cyberscudo will add something to the discussion at last!

Just for the record, can Jaxman confirm that this is their product?

And, looking back, here’s the early mention of “JAX Z1” (including many pictures)

AGGIORNATA RECENSIONE JAX Z1 CPFItalia Prototipo v1 • Cpfitalia …
http://www.cpfitaliaforum.it/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=11027
Sep 2, 2015 - 1 post - ‎1 author
Al fine di rendere la torcia del forum più performante è stata decisa …. Vi presento il prototipo pre-vendita della Jax Z1 scelta quest’anno come “Torcia del Forum”

a bit confused here. There is Jax, and Jaxman? Two different companies? Is there a company called Jax? Do they have a website? Everyone seems to LOVE their lights/quality.

They are the same company, Jaxman used to be called Jax.

Saypat, for disambiguation — see the first post on the first page:


Hello Guys, i’m Wonwuster one of the admins on CPFItalia.
As Budda said, we are waiting for some news about the COMETA from Banggood. None of us in CPFItalia have more news than the ones that we already know.

I personally wrote three email to Neal, asking informations about the project and other news of the troubles that all of us know very well, but none of the email sent was replied.

I kindly ask patience about this project because we are all in the same boat, and when Cyberscudo will have some updates or i will be able to have some news from Neal, i will write on CPFItalia and here on BLF for sure.

Regards.

At least they didn’t change it to Jaxfire.

That is bad, very bad. :person_facepalming:

If you’re asking for everyone to be patient, does that mean that progress is being made in resolving this debacle?

Worth remembering:

Unfortunately I cannot surely answer because, as I said in my last message, I have no more news than the ones that all we already know. I hope that this project will be achieved in the way that we planned time ago.

Is this unsafe, “fake”, not working 100% light a reason to do a paypal claim? Clearly Neal from BG has no replies to anybody, and like others GBs with Manker/Banggood all just run out in the sea, and we are stuck with the product.

What will others do? Keep the light or ask for a refund? And they that keep the light, are you handy man/woman that can solder and fix anything?