Muto Review: OrcaTorch T11 AA EDC XP-G2 Updated Beamshots

Thanks for the review.

I put a Keepower 3.7V 14500 in mine and it works just fine.

How much did you all pay for the torch with the promise to review it?

They sold me one for $5 from Amazon.

This was the first time I’d been offered a discount on a purchase with the agreement to review it.

I pointed out part of their description was copied from a different manufacturer of a 4AA flashlight.
They replied

and later

That seemed bogus. Anyone know? I wondered who’s giving them advice about how to sell on Amazon.

I wrote an honest review at some length, stating what I paid and what I thought needed improvement and why.

They asked me to change it after I posted it, for reasons I won’t (yet) post here, but I wonder if anyone else had such happen.

I have been too busy to post my review. I paid $5 as well. This is a $20 light at most. It isn’t a good tactical light because it starts on low and has a reverse click switch. I am wondering if this “review plan” of theirs is not going well.

How long has it worked fine??? Brightness increase?

PM sent.

All in all I have run it for an hour. Not straight for one hour. The brightness didn’t really impress me, I have no real way to measure it.

The specs for the price are still good if you look at other brands like LED-lenser similiar output for about the same money but this is built better.

Agreed, but not a true budget light and not a good mod candidate. I have tried fairly hard to open mine and it is just glued to well. I have not tried placing the head in solvent yet, may be the next step. Has a very good beam profile, just needs more lumens and a good driver.

I think for a single AA battery the light is on the higher side being 190 lumens. Also to do this the driver must be good from a single AA battery maybe using a different emitter you could probably squeeze out a few more lumens….

Being glued its not meant to be touched i guess. Maybe gluing it makes it more usable from a IPX rating perspective. I gave my mate some hugsby XP1s to use and he has broken 2 of them already by dropping them. I took one apart and it was the boost converter circuit the transformer breaks of. Maybe gluing the head gives it extra strength…

Hello Hank,
Thanks for your review and suggestion about our T11. Here are my answer for question,

1. Why we need reviews on Amzon?
It’s according to Amazon training course and searching rules.There are a large number of American make Amazon reviews for living.
chinese sellers have to do it……
Our company thought BLF members are flashlight specialist, so hope get yours reviews and suggestions to updating our light.

2.About paid $5
We have to say we never want profit from it,our shipping fee is already higher than $5.

3.About change reviews.
Sorry for this problem, 4 star is OK. But it’s really not friendly that write under our light you only paid $5.
What would other consumers thought about T11?

4.TN4A bogus?
We admit our Amazon colleague is newbie. BLF members who have made our WR10 reviews know we even don’t know how to set right Amazon code last time.
So we have corrected this mistake after your point it. Thanks your remind. :face_with_monocle:
Except TN4A and T11 are AA lights, what any other similarities between them?

Besides, we can sure next T11 version will can powered by 14500 battery, and hide strobe&SOS (or add memory function).

Sincere thanks for all members suggestion, OrcaTorch is more good at diving flashlight, but we will try to design better flashlight with yours help.

:stuck_out_tongue: Looking forward to your review.
And I will feedback maybe forward switch is better.

Amazon allows sale at low price to people who agree to write reviews. That’s their official published review.

Someone who gets a product for $5 or $1 has to work harder not to be “bought” and write a fake review hoping to get a better price next time.

I tell the truth. If that means I don’t get offered a review flashlight next time — that’s fine. Because I try to write clearly everything that affects the review.

I am sure you don’t need to worry about “five star” reviews.

Look at this one:
https://www.amazon.com/LumiTact-Tactical-G700-TM-Flashlight/dp/B01DPS6LAG

Very mixed reviews. Grossly overpriced for a bad flashlight. Made in China. Sold everywhere under many names, always for far more than it’s worth.
Amazon is happy selling that sort of thing.

You need to get reviews, and it’s perfectly OK to give discounts to get the flashlight into reviewers’ hands.
Both Amazon’s rule and the US Federal Trade Commission rule say that the reviewer should clearly disclose how they got the product and that they agreed to do the review as compensation.

Amazon is trying very hard now to clean out their reviews and get rid of the “all five star” fake reviews they featured for many years, when they allowed paid reviews without question.

Amazon wants honest reviews that disclose negative and positive comments, and disclose that you gave a discount or something to someone who agreed to give you a review once they used the light.

Amazon wants to put an end to fake reviews being bought or reviewers giving all positive reviews in order to keep getting discounts.

I think you’ll do fine if you make the first version of the light an example — gets mixed reviews, you come out with version 2 and everyone can say, this one is better, they listened and fixed problems.

To show improvement, you have to first show honestly what the problems were — to show what changed.

BTW, 1.35 amps on high with an XTAR 14500… not bad and is considerably brighter. Does not get hot, so either poor thermal performance or just not hard enough driven.

:smiley: Many thanks Hans, we just a little worry about when comsumer see you get it at $5, then they all want get it at that price……
Your review is really very good!!!I’ve translated it into Chinese to our engineers. :blush:

Thanks, Keith, for the effort you put into your review. Looks like a solid light.

Was it any brighter? my jetbeam 1mk is about 190lumen with a AA, and 450 lumen with a 14500.

Robert, it is brighter… I would guess 50 to 60%, but no way to measure it. It does either have thermal or timed step down. I am leaning toward thermal… I am testing now for low voltage detection or shut down.

I haven’t tried the 14500 for fear of burning up the driver, but it’s looks like it was made for it if it hasn’t fried yours. If that’s the case, that puts a whole new dimension on this T11.

One more note, it does not have low voltage protection… so use protected 14500’s. The good news is that the longer XTAR batteries fit fine! My cell protection kicked in at 2.74 volts. I think it would have sucked it much lower, the output was still good and all four modes still worked. Ran for well over an hour in modes 3 and 4.

Now, I really do like this light. I would have still loved a lower mode and hidden disco modes.