New Convoy Deep Carry clip

A lot of good input here guys. I love the design concept halo posted but I’m concerned about those angles. If they aren’t done just right we have a whole lot of scrap metal and I don’t know if Simon’s source is equipped to properly pull off those angle bends. Still, I will present that to Simon as one concept to see if he thinks it could be achieved. One area of concern I have in that design is you’re starting almost 180 degree bend coming out of a circle so you have to flatten the circle as it bends. Probably not the best explanation but I don’t have time to do a drawing right now. The clip redesign may take quite a while. It took a long time for the first one. A completely new design could take several months to get right so patience will be required on all sides. For now I’d just be happy opening the gap to fit a hat bill. This is top of mind for me because I had Simon add a groove in the head of the S2+ for the reverse hat mount. You should see it in the release of the next model S2+. It should work really nicely on the shorties especially on a tricked out shorty like the ones vestureofblood is selling now. Those are way cool. :sunglasses:

How about anodizing instead of the black paint?

Hmm, I don’t think I have any 180° bends. 90° should be the highest. And those could be reduced as Scianiac suggested.
Maybe the bottom of the ramp? Corner. Yea, that spot is a concern. Probably better to not have the ramp go all the way down, not meet the flashlight. That way we can avoid that corner.

Oh yea, Of course. Major redesigns are maybe shooting for version 3.
Perhaps even hold off presenting it to Simon since it could be improved. Better to present him with a mulled over version.

Agreed, and I wonder if it would be helpful to specify the radius curve desired
(that is, to say “heat _ this much length of the flat metal, then put a rod of this exact diameter inside the curve as you bend it so each one is the same, and the curve does not get too flat”

Mine (I bought five, quite a while ago) look like they may have been bent by eye, and bent after heating not enough of the metal, so the result was too tight.

The clip is stainless so anodizing is out. I’ve asked Simon about going to PVD coating though which would be tougher that the current painted metal.

Stainless? Really??
Ask what alloy. The ones I have are highly magnetizable, and I’ve never seen stainless snap like this.

Maybe I’m wrong. :question: The first ones were as the intent was a polished clip but that wasn’t working out so he went to painting them black. It could be the metal was changed at that time too. I’ll ask. Did you order these from Simon’s Aliexpress store?

Yes, I bought five from Simon’s Ali store, soon after they first came available.
Black.

I started tweaking numbers a bit today. As I said my immediate concern is that the gap is wide enough to slip over a hat bill. I’d rather not add another straight section at the tip unless someone can give a good argument for it. I’m fairly certain I know what you’re referring to and I’ve never seen the point of that and I don’t want to add length to the clip. I have a few pocket knives with that type of flat at the end and I’ve never cared for it. That’s just my opinion of course.
Is it this style you refer to? It’s umm, one of the things I got rid of in the first round of revisions. :blush:

If you have a good argument for it I’ll certainly hear you out though. I’ll see what I can do about a lesser angle for the entrance ramp and maybe extending it a little but not too much. Making the entrance ramp angle less would require it be a bit longer anyway but I don’t want the overall length to be any longer than the existing clip which is roughly 65mm.

Well, yea, that’s the idea.
But wow, that is long!

I was thinking just a couple millimeters. Barely there.
I think it’s suppose to help when the fabric wants to crumple instead of sliding under. But for me, I just think it looks much better, like a more finished end. Also it pokes into you less when facing in. And when facing out it might help with this:

+1. I guess it could be stainless but regardless it's way to brittle. Whatever kind of steel is used it should be spring tempered. If there's a problem with the clip retention to the flashlight with spring tempered steel then the thickness of the material needs to be increased.

In my opinion .040" spring tempered 304SS minimum should be used for any type of a clip.

If it was made with .040-.045" Ti-6Al-4V annealed titanium it would be way less prone to snapping, easily bent back into shape if needed by hot forming to exact tolerances for perfect fit. It looks good naked too

J-Dub74, my son is getting a harder and harder time with you pumping out these Convoy gems
Today we discussed the clear C8, he likes his grey bistro OP XPLHI NW very much but I am using it a lot so he was tempted to say “yeah that clear is wortg ordering” yet with his 11 years he is wiser then his dad so he was honest he just loves the gun grey.

One reason for using his is the clip and this topic.
I have no issues using the clip on the C8, it gives enough to hang it on any pair of pants.

Yet I think you missed a comment of me so when you are still want to improve the clip you should really look at the clip used here:
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/996256
Really awesome and a real improvement to the current one (IMHO since I like the current one a lot)
Here stealing a pic from that review

@ The Miller:

Yes you are correct. I had not seen that thread. It’s bedtime for me right now so I can dig in too deep but thank you for mentioning this clip. Interesting design. I submitted a subtle revision of the clip to Simon a while back to take the deep-carry a bit deeper and widen the gap for hat mount and thicker work pants. I also suggested slightly increasing the metal thickness for added rigidity. I’m following up on that and a few other possible tweaks. Simon is quite busy at the moment so I’m getting very limited responses but we can discuss this a bit more for sure.

Cheers!

Found this thread linked on the mtn page for the clip. I’ll be ordering a s2 host tomorrow to finally put a lucidrv driver that’s sitting here to use. It may not be the most durable choice but I have plenty of the .080” ti-6-4 I’m using for the fan mounting plate on my custom build and a piece of .052” ti-6-4 and plan to try making a clip. The ti should look pretty good on a grey host. I’ll post the results.

Been using the clip on my work EDC Convoy S2+ and can give it a big thumbs up. Holds secure in my uniform cargo pocket. Really is a nice addition to the Convoy.

Thread dig, works just fine on my D4.

Oh they look nice . I might like chrome better though

Also fits the Folomov 18650S, reversed for head up carry, an excellent upgrade because the e-tailswitch activates with light pressure and with the stock (head down only) clip position it was constantly getting bumped on in my pocket, (for me anyway) this has totally resolved the issue.

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And here’s one on my Jaxman E2L shorty triple:

Just ordered a few more of the clips from banggood, you can never have too many of these!

It also works well on an Olight S30, in case one of you guys have one bumping around.

Haha yes I have one bumping around, sitting right here in front of me on the desk! :slight_smile:

…This immediately made wonder which clips I ordered because I have an Olight S30 without a clip for quite some time now, I grabbed a convoy clip to try and although it does fit diameter-wise, the width the S30’s groove is the wider type so there can be a lot of sloppy movement of the thin convoy clip rocking in the wide groove.

Unless something has changed with the S30? Mine is a pretty old probably the 1st version. Would work in a pinch though if your Olight clip broke, like mine did.
Olight S30 with Convoy clip >>>

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Fortunately the Astrolux S1/BLF A6 clip fits perfectly in the groove on the S30. Plus it extends all the way to the end for a much deeper carry position, the convoy clip stops short nearly 1/2” from the end.

S30 with Astrolux S1/BLF A6 clip >>>

So this reminded me that it’s the S1/A6 clips I have on order instead, one being for the Olight.
The S1/A6 clip in my photo is the stock clip from a low production A6 before they redesigned it with shorter “ears” IIRC, (why I’m not using it)