13-inches Humongous reflector HID host found (final reading of about 3.8M cd)

I have like 30 over H3 bulbs 55W.... :D Purple, pink, blue, 30k, 3k, 4.3k, 5k, 6k, take your pick. Very cheap, 11 bucks shipped. I went bonkers last time with HIDs. They are also not "very dim" but i think they definitely wear down quicker than Philips/GE bulbs. But so far no failures (I don't use them that often anyway) It's hot, like XM-Ls i don't think anybody guns past 20 mins anyway....

But 75W I have only 1 pair of 4300K and 100W also 1 pair of 4300k.

I estimate 6 mil PBCP tops and 4 mil minimum with the 100W bulb (5mm arc length). It should beat the original Maxabeam, no doubt about that....which is at 2.3 mil.

Do you have a plan to adopt a son ? All the cool toys me likey !!! :)

Could you post some beamshots of that for maybe 100 yards or so?

Beamshots would be in the order of 2km or so, if i estimated correctly. (with the 100W ballast).

Anyway an attempted delivery was made yesterday Sunday, but nobody was around. Re-arranged delivery for tomorrow.

2km! Darn got to get one of these baby's. 1.5km would be fine 2km would be fantastic!

hope you could help me..:)

after your tests that is.hehe

Yes, 2km is using the international searchlight standard. If we were to use that standard to describe stuff like the Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1 XR-E in a 50mm plus head, it'd be something like 223 metres range only. Or it's 4km range if we use LED flashlights standard.

I just wanted to see how large the spot was at 100M but if you want to do 2KM, that's fine too LoL. I"m not sure I'll be able to compare it to anything though if you tried to do it that far away...

Shucks, what a let down, the beam quality is pretty bad, the hotspot is sort of a star instead of circular like the SM5200 or Amondotech 3152. Of course such big SMO reflector HIDs are not really for even 10 metres white wall beam shots because seriously it would like real bad. On the lux meter it is just slightly below 2X the lux of the SM5200. I need to go out to 50 metres and measure (beam focus phenomenon)

At 2X the reflector diameter, theorectically it should get 4X the lux. Because of this "star pattern" hotspot, quite a fair bit of the hotspot is not focused at one point but spread over a star. So that's wasted light.

The funny thing is that the reflector is perfectly smooth and structurally it looks seamless. But the beam comes out like that.

It can do about 1.1km visibly and definitely is a upgrade over the SM5200 when compared side by side, but 2km is not possible. DAMNT IT! Cry It's something like a Fenix TK35 vs a Crelant 7G5.....rather than a Fenix TK35 vs a SR90.

I tried playing with the focus for the past few hrs. No go.

From what i see, this is only for the most hardcore HID/big host enthusiast, with spare bulbs/ballasts of different powers to play with. It's really too expensive for the parts/engineering or even compared to similar HIDs though they are smaller, but then i like the bulk.

Coz if you want any more throw you'd have to go the usd 2k plus route for portability. The Vector 192 being the other monster sized HID (but ballasts are mounted outside plus you need Li ion pack to be inside in order to power the 2 x 100W ballasts, so it's pretty ugly)

This is actually the Sunca CS-2206CX model. There is a Sunca CS-2206 model which is proably about 7". They just hooked out a bigger plastic cavity housing and do up a bigger alu reflector. The good thing is that the internal cavity is very big and lots of space to swallow a 100W big sized ballast. :)

The smaller brother.... Sunca CS-2206. The CS-2206CX is the new 13" one.

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13" model.

http://www.sunfat.com.hk/product4.php?id=91&subID=23

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It is by Sunfat, a HK based company. Think manufacturered in Shenzhen, where else...

I Found that the Sanmak SM5200 is actually the re-sold version of the Sunca CS-220 HID. The Yao 35/80W is the modified version of this host.

http://www.sunfat.com.hk/product4.php?id=87&subID=23

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Are you just shimming the bulb in and out of the reflector? I had the same problem with my Professional's Favorite. Well, mine looked more like a "Plus" symbol than it did like a star, but my problem was that i needed to move it in all 3 axis to focus it (not just in and out).

It is well centered from what i see and yes i did wear gloves to move it around in and out as well as side to side. In fact there is a adapter disc so that it fits H3, and i removed it and it becomes H7 (bigger hole). So i tried H7 bulbs which the arc gap protrudes further into the reflector, no go. So slowly pulled it out and any part of the beam does not get circular. I could do this with the SM5200 and Amondotech 3152.

I am pretty well versed in focussing because i had to do that perfectly with the SM5200 and Amondotech 3152 to get max throw from them too, but they just needed a little work for focus to be optimised.

Funny thing is that the adapter does not look wrapped or anything at all.

Ok, i screwed everything down and it seems that once the edge of the reflector is firmly secured down, the hotspot is much tighter. Seems like the reflector is so huge that it warps if not supported at the edge.

I am getting like 2.4 million cd. I need to go for 50m measurements to get accurate stuff, the light sensor/voltage meter is probably getting overloaded.....and i need the beam to spread out. It is so tight that the center peak beam which gives you the PBCP is slightly half the diameter of the hotspot of a Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1, you can imagine the intensity. We are talking about 9000 chamber lumens vs 250 emitter lumens, into something smaller than the hotspot of the 250 emitter lumens. Something like that.

Eg, That is 36 times the light. 36 x 55k cd = 1980k cd.

On the right are L2T, Crelant 7G5, Sunwayman T40CS. If you look at the biggest reflector, you can see me half-naked in it. (thanks to Chicago X for pointing that out).

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yes it seems the 13" reflector seems to have some warping compared to the two sanmaks. what is the reflector material of the 13 incher? sanmaks reflector looks great compared to the two bigger lights.

nice collection.:) i promised my self a sanmak5200 early next year.:)

I'm glad you kept at it and got it focused a little better. I'm sure you are happy with it now. I know what it's like to think "man, i bet I can get that just a little bit better" and then spend two hours each night with it.


I'm looking forward to some nice beamshots!

Oooh sexy!

We want beeeeeaaaaaaamshots!

The reflector is definitely aluminum. With such a big reflector and glass surface in front, heat is actually not an issue. The true reflector front aperture is 280mm, or 11.06 inches.

Sanmak SM5200/CS-220HID is 6.5 inches front aperture. It is this slight wrapping of the reflector that gets you rings. The good thing is that it is invisible in reality, because you are not going to be using this below 50 metres. heh....

Shipping to PH is the same as to SG, you can get the 55W SM5200 for usd88 shipped. :) It's actually enough, and definitely more cost effectively than to change it out for a 100W.

Yeah, need to do some videos and comparative beamshots soon. Need to find time.

I now measured 2.54 million cd at a longer distance of 12.4 metres. Previously 2.4 mil was at 8.17 metres. Really need to do 50m soon.

Played with the x-y axis a little coz the bulb / adapter was a little off-centered. Candlepower jumped to 2.8 million now and that's at 8 metres (previously 2.4 mil only). I think it should surpass 3 mil at the 50metres range. So officially, we are comfortably past Gen II Maxabeam. (remember, my meter is the under-reading DX meter, you can probably add 15% to it if you are comparing to quite a few figures at CPF)

The glass cuts 8.0%, unfortuantely.

Pictures below courtesy of Ra's Maxablaster built thread (ie not the light mentioned in this thread):

Need to get it centered!

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Fine focus is paramount for big reflectored short-arcs.

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Nice. Almost 3 MM candlepower

You can see the winter Olympics in the Ra reflector.....along with a bay window, lights, stereo setup and his library. :)

First off, Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1, with 2 x 18350 inside. (max output cell config) This also sort of serves as a control shot, because the Masterpiece Pro-1 cannot really do 450m.....just that perhaps the manufacturers would like you to believe that.

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Second, DBS Dereelight Aspherical lens with EZ900 XR-E R2 1.5 amps pill WD pure white tint. ~ 100k cd

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Third, Fenix TK70, 2200 lumens OTF

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Fourth, Sanmak 5200/Sunca CS-220 with 100W ballast and 100W bulb, this config is more for flood but massive output of 7500 lumens OTF.

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Fifth, Sunca CS-2206CX HID with 100W ballast and 55W bulb. (you can see the slight star shaped hotspot)

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