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Apex 5T6, pics, impressions, beamshots added...

Just got it from CNQG.
Really well made light. Tight fitting O-rings, excellent olive-gray anodize quality and color, good machining quality… Happy overall.

Heavier than it looks, despite its small size.
Its still too bright out to do any kind of lumen/lux comparisons, so for now heres some pics.

BLFer “the” has some excellent tear-down pics and a thorough review here:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11189

Well packed. Kit includes extra silicone O-ring and a brown paracord lanyard.

Some glamour shots. Note that the macro setting on my camera severely distorts images so that items closer appear bigger.

Nice laser etched logo

Cast aluminum bezel trim

Heat warning

Reverse clicky, switch plate, stainless allen screws & handle mount

Business end. Clean window glass, smooth reflectors.

Heatsink area

KILLER HA color, very closely matches the $$$ guys

Size comparison to my other BLs

Battery compartment, CGR18650E x 4

Very good thread quality. Very smooth once you lube everything up.

Heres the -B contact spring plate

Easy switch access / replacement. Just unscrew the allen bolt plate.

Some crude machining in here, but perfectly serviceable.

EDIT
So here are the results of my second attempt at fixed camera setting beamshots. I set the camera exposure and white balance using the TR-J12 LOCKED those settings for each location and proceeded to take the fixed shots using the Apex 5T6 and my 3.5A modded HD2010

TR-J12 on HI

Apex 5T6 on HI

HD2010 on HI (T6 @ 3.5A, 7135 modded)

TR-J12 on HI

Apex 5T6 on HI (I am not sure why the sidewalk looks so bright in this pic… I could have sworn I had my aim right in the middle at the orange concrete post)

HD2010 on HI (T6 @ 3.5A, 7135 modded)

Edited by: kramer5150 on 06/29/2012 - 13:15
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thanks for the pics..can’t wait to see shots of it vs other lights..

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Hi Kramer, sweet new toy you got there. Can’t wait to see some beam shots. That switch looks the same as on my Ultrafire UF-T70. Should be easy to get a tail reading from the contacts.

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nice light,I like the finish,I'm on board with everyone else and would love some beamshots.I can tell just by the box that this light kicks ass!!!Thanks kramer, good info.

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Please compare beamshots to the TR-J12 you got there. I been itching for a multi led light, this might be the one.

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Some more pics… You guys know the little flashlight man in our heads that just says “BUY it now!! Buy it now!!!” and once you get it he goes… “Oooh screws!! Take them apart… COME ON!!!”.

Tear down time.

The switch board comes apart easily.

I was going to copper braid them, but I dont think I need to.

Remember the $23 Skyray Coin-King Ebay scam? I tried to use that coin to bridge all the -B poles and take a tailcap current measurement. But the dam thing was to big.

Tried a quarter, but Its not flat and I was not getting good contact across all the cells.

So I just put the switch board back in and measured current across the switch directly (solder pad to pad), through the -B springs and all I get:
5.3A – HI
1.95A-MED
.36A – LO

With my 2.3 Ah (tested) CGR18650E cells that equates to:
1.74 Hours – HI
4.71 Hours – Med
25.6 Hours – Lo

5.3A from a single cell would be asking a lot. But with 4P, it gets split 4-ways. So its a REALLY easy 1.33A draw from each cell. So even non-IMR Samsung and Sony cells can easily run with this light. Forget the high output Lithium current blasters. Get cells that optimize CAPACITY for this one!! Should make a KILLER constant-ON, long running, trail flooder. I was going to take the little handle off, but I think it will be easier to hand carry.

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so 5.3a is only 1-1.1a per led?

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pounder wrote:
so 5.3a is only 1-1.1a per led?

Assuming panny CGR 18650 cells dont voltage sag much under this light of a load, and the XML Vf doesn’t increase much over 3.2V.

1.17A per LED is what I calculate, assuming an 85% efficient driver.

Now lets not jump the gun here, just yet… these are just ballpark estimated theoretical calcs. I for one am going to let someone take the plunge and actually measure LED current, before I jump to conclusions.

I will be doing ceiling-bounce comparisons with my TR-J12 tonight, so sit tight for that. I wish I could take beam-shots (AARGH). I only have a P/S camera. I might try my wifes iphone… maybe theres a iphone camera AP that will allow me to fix exposure settings.

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yeah get “almost dslr” you can tap the exposure button to lock it..might take a few tries to get it locked to the right exposure..

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pounder wrote:
yeah get “almost dslr” you can tap the exposure button to lock it..might take a few tries to get it locked to the right exposure..

Great thanks!!
I let the light tail-stand on HI for 5-6 minutes in my 85-F garage, with no additional cooling and it did get hot to the touch. Not painful/scalding to the touch hot, but definitely hot enough for a light this size. So whatever drive current its set to, I think its optimal for a light this size / weight.

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You have many lights Kramer, just get a lux meter and be done with it. Big Smile

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2100 wrote:
You have many lights Kramer, just get a lux meter and be done with it. Big Smile

I need one bad don’t mean to thread highjack but what do you recommend.

I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

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E1320 wrote:
2100 wrote:
You have many lights Kramer, just get a lux meter and be done with it. Big Smile

I need one bad don’t mean to thread highjack but what do you recommend.

x2… any meter recommendations?

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I have this Mastech LX1330B on the way from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000S19W3W/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1340850328&sr=8-1

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JohnnyMac wrote:
I have this Mastech LX1330B on the way from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000S19W3W/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1340850328&sr=8-1

Maybe we should all get the same one so are numbers are better to compare.

I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

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E1320 wrote:
JohnnyMac wrote:
I have this Mastech LX1330B on the way from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000S19W3W/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1340850328&sr=8-1

Maybe we should all get the same one so are numbers are better to compare.

Viffer did a comparison. Can just get the Victor one (ebay/aliexpress) or the one from DX (there are a couple there). I have the DX one.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/4588

Some overread and some under-read. Anyway within the same lux meter model, the readings would vary.

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Im getting 1.47amp or 7.35amps at the cap. High mode and two sets of fresh cells, 4x AW 2000mah Red Label
and AW 2200mah Protected or Black Jacket. This is still below spec but i’ll wait for an official review ..

And Thanks Kramer for your initial feedback..

 


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Further impressions…
Just got back form a little night walk around the neighborhood and the 5T6 is DEFINITELY a flooder. Its a wider flood beam than the TR-J12, by a slight but definitely noticeable amount. I left the light on for ~30 minutes straight. It got warm but not alarmingly hot, so its well suited as a constant on, hand held flood light, with moderately cool air circulation. Can’t wait to get it out on the trails and camp sites, perfect for that kind of thing.

Snapped some fixed exposure beam shots too EDIT These pics really weren’t that great, so I have deleted them. My original post has now been updated with better shotsITS REALLY HARD taking good beamshots. Some of you guys have some MAD SKILLS in this department. I was able to lock down the iPhone exposure setting alright, but with a wide beam flooder theres no center hot spot to aim and center the beam with. I tried my best to aim the light at targets, but still… I’m off just a little on a few. So take these shots for what they’re worth. Definitely I think the TR-J12 and 5T6 are in the same lumen ballpark, they’re not far off from each other thats for sure. The J12 has a slightly tighter more focused beam so again its the Lux-versus-lumen thing playing tricks. I’m happy calling them 2000 Lumen flooders, and that’ll be it for me.

One things for dam sure… at $54 shipped the TR-J12 is a STEAL. Its 1/2 the price, of the Apex for almost the same amount of light OTF and a slightly tighter beam. The Apex form factor slaughters the J12 though. Its just an easier light to carry, hold, mode flip…etc.

The handle thing is a nice feature too. I had no problems carrying it.
Beer mug hold

The thumbs up hold

The Rock-ON hold

The double 2KL-OTF hold

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DarkSide wrote:
Im getting 1.47amp or 7.35amps at the cap. High mode and two sets of fresh cells, 4x AW 2000mah Red Label
and AW 2200mah Protected or Black Jacket. This is still below spec but i’ll wait for an official review ..

And Thanks Kramer for your initial feedback..

Wow thats 2A more than mine draws… strange. I’m definitely getting a lot of light. On a ceiling bounce it just about the same as my TR-J12. Its a more yellow tint than my J12 too. So th etint difference could be playing tricks on me.

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kramer5150 wrote:
The double 2KL-OTF hold

Way to go! Smile

Thanks for posting your initial impressions, photos & especially beamshots!

I've been preparing a full review of this light, so: I hope you don't mind if I publish it. (No beamshots though. I tried to go out last night at 00:30, but it was still too bright for good beamshots. Midnight sun rules, NOT! Cool)

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… especially enjoyed the suggested handle-grip options …

Though all the current readings are lower than claimed by CN Quality Goods (I hope they did not over-state their claims … :~ ), it still seems to put out a decent amount of light. I like how the 5T6 uses 4 × 18650s in parallel, meaning much less stress per battery as well as a decent run time. I also like the handle design – it means you don’t have to directly hold the thick body of the flashlight … I suppose you could put some kind of “grip tape” or rubber / silicon sleeve over it to make it easier to hold in wet / raining conditions?

Anyway – great stuff! I’m now patiently waiting for mine to arrive …

Cheers!

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Looks like a decent light and 4 18650 batteries is a great power source but I’m not a fan of the handle at all (my only complaint). Looks like a giant pocket clip and being as thin as it is, I can imagine it would become uncomfortable real quick. A better built handle would seal the deal for me. Yeah, I know, I could “mod” it but making it thicker would reduce the available room for your fingers. Looks like a tight fit already. Good luck to those using gloves when it’s cold.

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Mate, there really good comparison pictures. It looks like it throws further than the J12 as well.

 

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Yellowhorse wrote:
Looks like a decent light and 4 18650 batteries is a great power source but I’m not a fan of the handle at all (my only complaint). Looks like a giant pocket clip and being as thin as it is, I can imagine it would become uncomfortable real quick. A better built handle would seal the deal for me. Yeah, I know, I could “mod” it but making it thicker would reduce the available room for your fingers. Looks like a tight fit already. Good luck to those using gloves when it’s cold.

i have some big paws and its snug. The thickness isn’t an issue . If it were thin i would have yanked it and made a new handle or retro-fit a Jetbeam or Niteye handle. I actually bought 1 extra handle to mod with tape switch underneath the handle/trigger finger. Its not thin and will not flex…

 


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The tape switch is a great idea. The handle might not “flex” much but the spare handle you bought can certainly be bent/reshaped. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

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MRsDNF wrote:

Mate, there really good comparison pictures. It looks like it throws further than the J12 as well.

AFAIK, there is no way to lock the exposure in iPhone. There is no EXIF. I do not think it throws farther than the J12. Coz (1) its a little floodier and (2) The output is actually a wee bit less than J12.

The first and second picture actually shows that the J12 would be able to throw a wee wee bit more than the APEX (brighter)

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JohnnyMac wrote:
I have this Mastech LX1330B on the way from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000S19W3W/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1340850328&sr=8-1

lol so do I! Hard to drop $$ on a meter instead of a light isn’t it?

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I know nothing about IPhones. Just looking at the 2nd picture and the post to the left it appears that it would be a better thrower by the post and the tree to the left of centre. Cheers.

 

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Mouse over for APEX, out for TR-J12:
 

Lights are pointed to a bit different direction, making the APEX to look brighter on the tree.

I think they are pretty similar in the real world.. TR-J12 is known to be good for longer runtimes, and APEX did run a bit cooler in my 10min "indoors, no-cooling" tests => very promising!

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At the end of the day they are both appear to be good lights with a different format. Thanks for the mouse over.

 

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2100 wrote:
AFAIK, there is no way to lock the exposure in iPhone. There is no EXIF.

Almost DSLR app brings the exposure locking mechanism to iPhone.. And that's what kramer5150 used.

nit-picking: Yes there is EXIF, but it doesn't tell aperture or shutter speed. Does tell where the photo was taken though.. Wink

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