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Benchmade knives are like

Benchmade knives are like Maglites. You just can’t get a good copy of one.

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^^^what he said^^^ fake axis

^^^what he said^^^
fake axis locks suck.

with that said i love my real 940. its like a thin lightweight folding scalpel. i had the edge mirror ground down to 13 degrees per side and it is scary sharp. the blade and handle shapes are excellent.
i do believe benchmades are overpriced on the whole, but this one was worth it.

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gcbryan wrote:Are there any

gcbryan wrote:
Are there any benchmade copies for this knife?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Benchmade-940-Pocket-Knife-Osborne-Design-Reverse-Tanto-Blade-Plain-Edge-/261064298114?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cc8a50e82#ht_3882wt_886


Are you looking for an exact clone of that or just something similar. Without axis lock but with a veeeery similar blade design: http://www.exduct.com/Chinese-Folding-Knives/Bee-Enlan-Knives/L02-1-Bee-…
and, the only one i know i’d say is a clone:
http://www.exduct.com/ganzo-g710-knife-multi-tools/ganzo-folding-knife-g…
I don’t know about original axis locks, but both my ganzo and srm ones work very well.

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I don’t know why that

I don’t know why that Benchmade appealed to me so much. Part of it was the color I’m sure and the lock looked like it was easy to use (not so stiff).

That Ganzo 710 does look nice however. It would be even better with green G10 Smile

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yep yep … i’m definitely in

yep yep Love … i’m definitely in love with g10 too. I just found a video on the 710. You might find it useful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnjAhSGQhUU&feature=related

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gcbryan, a must watch video

You must watch this video, you’ll be ordering the knife right today. My 2c: use less salt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-OmH6tC31o&feature=related

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Fake Benchmades

are always low quality crap.

Clone Benchmades that do not show the Benchmade logo are often nice knives.

The Ganzo G704 is a very nice clone. 100% of a top design, 90% of the build quality, 10% of the price.

According to Mike Stewart of Bark River, it is nearly impossible to patent a design, there has been too much variation over the years.

Spyderco makes a big deal about the “spyder hole”. Problem is that there are knives that are 200 years old that have an opening hole in the blade.

A few years ago, a European university student published a paper on the net showing opening holes in knife blades that were rectangles, squares, triangles and other shapes from museaums in europe.

Spyderco ignored that and got a trademark that only applies to a perfectly round hole. None of the ancient knives in european museaums are perfectly round. They were cut with chisels, not modern drill bits.

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stevetexas wrote:are always

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are always low quality crap. I agree with every single point you made here.

Clone Benchmades that do not show the Benchmade logo are often nice knives. We all know some budget brands wich have consistently good reviews, Ganzo is one of them.

The Ganzo G704 is a very nice clone. 100% of a top design, 90% of the build quality, 10% of the price. Or, as I normally call it, excessive western overpricing.

According to Mike Stewart of Bark River, it is nearly impossible to patent a design, there has been too much variation over the years. I remember checking some 2000 years-old knives and they were exactly as today’s.

Spyderco makes a big deal about the “spyder hole”. Problem is that there are knives that are 200 years old that have an opening hole in the blade. Chinese brands use that feature and a lot of people is outraged. Victorinox sells the Trekker model, no problem…

Spyderco ignored that and got a trademark that only applies to a perfectly round hole. None of the ancient knives in european museaums are perfectly round. Luckily none of my fingers is perfectly round either Big smile

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stevetexas wrote:…The Ganzo

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…The Ganzo G704 is a very nice clone. 100% of a top design, 90% of the build quality, 10% of the price…

Well said.

It has a great price/performance ratio.

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Flacomuchacho wrote:gcbryan

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gcbryan wrote:
Are there any benchmade copies for this knife?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Benchmade-940-Pocket-Knife-Osborne-Design-Reverse-Tanto-Blade-Plain-Edge-/261064298114?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cc8a50e82#ht_3882wt_886


Are you looking for an exact clone of that or just something similar. Without axis lock but with a veeeery similar blade design: http://www.exduct.com/Chinese-Folding-Knives/Bee-Enlan-Knives/L02-1-Bee-…
and, the only one i know i’d say is a clone:
http://www.exduct.com/ganzo-g710-knife-multi-tools/ganzo-folding-knife-g…
I don’t know about original axis locks, but both my ganzo and srm ones work very well.

I have that Bee and aside from the similar blade shape, it is not very close to a BM. The handle is too short, the lock is different, the steel is different etc.

I also own several real BMs including Oborne Axis models which are my favs. I have been carrying a 921s Switchback everyday at work for the past 8 years. It was $140 new and is one of the few $100+ knives that was worth every penny and then some. It was a bargain because of the quality. Nothing compares to a good BM Axis lock. If you want something really good for serious use, pay for it.

I have a lot of knives (and lights) that are not for “serious” use, those I tend to bargain shop for. The Ganzo 710 is really an amazing copy of the BM. I owned the real deal BM version and the Ganzo is one heck of a good clone. For 1/10th the price, it is a great way to test of designs without spending your retirement fund.

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Any use I would have for this

Any use I would have for this or any other knife would not be a “serious” use how it’s the Benchmade 940 (green) specificly that I like the looks of and not the 950 (Gonzo 710).

As an aside, I’d be interested in knowing about any green G10 knives out there. I love the look of the green G10 used in the SRM 604.

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speaking of spyderco

the tenacious, resilience etc. are made in china, and it is very hard to believe how great they are for the price. still not quite on a par with us, japan,etc. spydies, but great knives.
on topic, look for a land 962. i am almost positive that land and sanrenmu are one and the same. i read that the land 962 has been discontinued, but last time i checked they were still available on the bay in the $20 usd range. it is very similar in style to what you are looking for, but not a fake or even clone, more of a homage. it has an axis lock. the one i had was, no exaggeration, at least as good as either of two benchmade grips i’ve owned.

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SanRenMu and Land are the same Label

Also, Enlan and Bee.

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probably by now you all know

probably by now you all know about this series of videos that a guy posted comparing some budget knives, including a ganzo 704:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X36Vyh4IyE4

i’d say that’s some serious use (not saying all ganzos are the same). I’ve watched videos of destruction tests carried out on both expensive and budgets knives and results were not always as money-driven-logics would suggest. Yes, there are differences, but sometimes it’s just a matter of aesthetics, a “perceived-quality” which might or might not be actual. When we talk about certain quality level (and most srm’s seem to be there), i’d like to know which are the real differences. Check the videos about the Chris Reeve Project and the Green Beret (http://www.youtube.com/user/KnifeTestsNoss?feature=watch). They break faster than some other much cheaper knives they tested (don’t know why but they removed most of the videos they had, or maybe they changed the account..). >300 bucks knives… and they break after some serious torture, which btw we don’t usually do on our knives. BM’s, Spyderco’s… are reported to fail in occasions too. Physics apply the same way to cheap and expensive knives. As Steve pointed out earlier, knife designs haven’t changed that much in a loooooong time, and material good knives use nowadays are not that different. Fancy steels may have some advantages …sometimes. Bronze washers too… but they’re not 50 bucks each. People refer usually to the warranty, but i’m talking now exclusively about product, not about company. Speedsix, i’m honestly interested in your opinion and experience with those expensive folders. What makes them so superior (i mean, to make worth those extra >$100)? I’ve check some, but just in the store. I don’t think i’ll ever buy one of them.

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yep,

enlan and bee also. all four brands, at least the ones i’ve had, are good quality knives, especially for the price.
as for knife destruction/torture tests, i’ve seen a few and take them with a grain of salt. if someone wants to break or destroy a knife by doing ridiculous things with it, it is certainly possible, regardless of the knife. i don’t see any real world value in most of these tests at all.
in general, more comfortable ergonomics, lighter weight, better blade steel, lack of blade play/solid lock-up, warranty, customer service and resale value are all things that you get with better knife brands.

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keep in mind of course

that you can get an exceptional example of a “lesser” brand, or a no-so-exceptional example of a better regarded brand. however, if you do get a bad example of a solid brand knife the odds are good that the company will make it right. i’ve been very very pleased with the customer service/warranty of buck, crk, kershaw/zt and spyderco for example, and that type of experience is something that gives you confidence in the company and their products.

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I am a long time knife lover.

I am a long time knife lover. The fact is, most knives are pretty good today. Just like you can get a heck of a nice flashlight for $20 or so, you can get a bunch of really good knives for much less than you woukd have to pay 20 years ago.

There isn’t really any point in ever spending more than $150 or so on a folder. You start to get into deminishing returns rather fast past $100. You get what you pay for up to a certain point with a few exceptions where you get more or less up to around the $100-150 area. Past that, you are paying for special interest features like autos, super strong locks, super steel, exotic materials and so on. The Benchmade in the OP is $100-150 and is about as good as a knife gets. Well made and has good materials and a top notch design.

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What speedsix said. BTW,

What speedsix said.

BTW, another nice thing about BM knives is that you will rarely lose money on one if you have to sell it, unless you really beat the heck out of it. I have 3 BM’s and all three are worth more than what I paid for them about 5 years ago.

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Of course you aren’t going to

Of course you aren’t going to lose money with SRM knives either since you won’t have any money into them in the first place Smile

If you’re not using knives for hunting or killing people Smile it’s mainly about looks and ergonomics anyway.

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Cabfrank : i know and agree,

Cabfrank : i know and agree, i only wacth destruction test for three reasons : first, they're funny. Second, they're very funny. Third: sometimes you can actually find structural problems in the knives. A knife is a tool, so they shouldn't break when used for their intended purposes. Do anything else with them, but then don't complaint about the results. I never owned a expensive knife and i have no personal experience about how they honour their warranty, but I do have very negative experiences with other prestige brands in other fields. Anyway I wasn't talking about companies (there's no discussion about chinese ones being far behind there), just about the product itself (if your knife breaks in the field, probably you won't give a #$% for the warranty at that moment). About ergonomics, well, i don’t think there are diferences depending on being SRM or BM, but depending on the model and, most important, your hand. Steel type for general purposes is not so relevant (so much fuzz about it for some people). Blade play… we all know it may happen in any brand… Resale value… well, here in Europe that’s not so popular, one reason being crazy prices here. Just an example: while you can get a Spyderco Delica 4 for 64 bucks in the States, you have to pay around 130 in Europe. Leatherman Wingman? 25 USD vs. 50 USD in Europe…. maybe that’s why srm, enlan, bee… are so popular here.

@Speedsix & trooplewis: the OP here = 270 USD Sad( Sad(

@gcbryan : selling one srm for 20 bucks is even better: 300% benefit!!!!

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makes sense to me

i didn’t realize knives were that much more expensive in europe. i completely agree with you on the fact that sometime prestige brands are not as great as their prices suggest, and your point about a warranty being useless if your knife breaks while using it in the field is 100% correct. why is there such a large price difference? is it customs? regarding your example, i love spydercos, and you can actually get a delica even cheaper than that if you shop around. i haven’t owned that particular model, but i have owned an endura, which is basically the same knife, but larger. they are great, but, wow, i don’t know if i’d spend $130 on one. if the price is becasue of customs i guess there is not much you can do about it, but otherwise, couldn’t you save some money by buying one from an individual as opposed to a retailer, or maybe buying pre-owned? even with shipping from the us it would be a lot cheaper.

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i’d like to know the reasons

i’d like to know the reasons too… as you, i considered the same factors (customs, etc…) but i’m not sure, unless customs for products coming from the States are much higher than those applied to products coming from China. Transportation can’t make that difference either, since even shipping single units could account only for 10/15 bucks. I lived in the Bay area for some time but i didn’t take the chance to get some nice knives. Shipping from USA is an alternative but customs taxes almost end up eating the difference. Something ever weirder, check this post by Kreisler: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/10971

It’s an european product (around 100 USD here), shipped to the States (so price+transport+taxes+…), sold for …. 45 USD!!!???? Please, someone tell me WTF is going on.

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Someone is just trying to

Someone is just trying to build market share here in the U.S. so they are offering it at a lower price for a limited time.

In general however the differences in price between different countries is just customs or tax. Customs would usually just be that country trying to protect local industry. Taxes are well … just taxes Smile Some countries are much higher than others.

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you mean American brands

you mean American brands don’t want to build market share over here? Wink Then I guess I have to stick to my ganzos, srm’s and other cheap stuff….

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Some of it comes down to

Some of it comes down to market size. The US market is by far the largest and most competitive for consumer goods. Somewhat fixed costs like office/personnel are amortized over the lot.

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I love my Delicas, but the

I love my Delicas, but the way the prices have gone up since I got them means if they do eventually go boom, I won’t be replacing them. Not new anyways. I have both a combo and plain edged version with the Wave opener, and I got them for @$45 new in the box. Since then, depending on where you look, it’s been a $20-30 price increase for the exact same knife.

Spending more than $50 on a working knife seems like a waste to me, as I would be very leery of actually using it (or taking it out of my storage locker). I EDC my Delica, and use it just about every day for some task or another. No way in heck would I do that with a $350 Emerson. All it would take would be my clumsy behind to snag it on something and I’m out grocery money for the month.

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