XP-G2 Copper pill P60. Night shots added. Med & low added.

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XP-G2 Copper pill P60. Night shots added. Med & low added.

Its taken awhile and the second attempt so far looks like a winner. The components used were as follows. Solar Force L2M for no other reason it was used as Foys ramblings had left subliminal messages in my head that could not be removed without hitting the buy button. I must send him the bill. This reflector from KD http://www.kaidomain.com/Product/Details.S010132. An XP-G2 1D tint on a 20mm star from Cutter filed down to fit in the threaded part of the reflector. A KD 7135 8 driver and finally the pill which the pictures should explain. Initial running in the shed against the door blew me away for a start against the two other contenders which I will detail later. Night shots will follow when I get time. (The misses has gone out and I'm supposed to be mowing lawns so I'll be in trouble again when she gets home, you on that b____y waste of time forum again will be asked of me).

We'll start with the pill. Chunk of copper.

 

The reflector with the led sitting inside it. 1.5 mm was filed of the thread end of the reflector so that when an insulator is placed on top of the led and the reflector is pressed into the pill there would be no play of the led. The led was Fujiked to the pill. Sorry but its 90 degrees out. Edit, magically the picture is now in the correct orientation. Wow.

 

The next two pictures are what it looks like assembled out of the flashlight. I discovered later that the reflector was still not pressed all the way into the pill when this picture was taken and has since been fixed. It is a very tight press fit.

 

The pill is a really tight fit in the host itself and was hand lapped in to make maximum contact beetween the flashlight body and pill and has a thin film of fujik on it to fill any spots not in contact with each other. The initial running as mentioned above has me excited as compared to the other two flashlights of which are, a MF 3 mode dropin and a KD http://www.kaidomain.com/Product/Details.S007702 running an XM-L U2 on the same driver as the XP-G2. All leds on high are around 2.8 to 2.9 amps. More to follow soon, (I hope if the Darl does not maim me. She got her black belt in Zen Do Kai last weekend).

Night shots. All the shots were on manual and are slightly under exposed. The colour is not exactly true to life either but it gives a pretty good idea of what the different reflectors and led beam paterns look like. The distance to the shrub at the end of the drive way is 73 meters. There was a slight fog at the time as well that was not helping.

First of is the MF 3 mode dropin. The smallest of the XM-L hot spots and good spill.

 

Secondly is the XM-L U2 with KD reflector. This would be my favorite as it gives tremendous throw with a very large spill.

 

 

And finally the XP-G2 with KD reflector. This is a very intense beam as you can see the shrub at the very end. It leaves the other two in its wake for intensity and throw but has a reasonable spill.

 

A picture I forgot to add of the hosts used. Left to right. MF Ultrafire 504B with KD reflector and XM-L U2. The tint is either 1C or 1A. At a guess 1C. Secondly is the need I say more Foy (a really nice host) with the KD reflector and XP-G2 1D tint. The light colour is not quiet as white as the U2 and thirdly is the MF Ultrafire 3 mode in what I believe is an older model 504B host, thanks ezarc. It had a faulty switch when I recieved it and now has the old switch from my HD-2010 in it.

 

The next two pictures are taken on low and medium. Both drivers are identical and readings at the tailcap were the same.

XP-G2 left and XM-L U2 right. Tailcap current was .03 amps. At this very low current it blows the XM-L away even though they have totally different beam patterns. The low on the XM-L is really nice for a low and good for creeping around the house at night where the XP-G2 is just bright. Not a good creeping around low.

 

The next picture is medium and because of the different beam patterns is probably not a real good comparrison as the XM-L does not have a hot spot as such which is not that evident in this picture. The XP-G2 is a lot brighter but has a small hotspot that concentrates the light. Tailcap current readings on both lights was .73 amps.

 

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What an excuisite drop-in you've created MRsDNF.

That reflector to pill press fit you've made is going to move heat all day long, no doubt about it!

Can I ask you a question? You write that you've lapped the pill to the flashlight body. I know what that is but could you describe to me how on earth you hold on that little copper base so that it is still aligned correctly, and does not get marred by tool marks? To me holding and securing these small parts of the flashlights - both mechanical and electrical - is one of the most difficult aspects of modding/repairing flashlights. That's why I ask. Sorry if I come across a little daft here Wink

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Thanks Ledsmoke. What I did was put a wrap of masking tape around the reflector which also protected the shiny surface and held it in the lathe chuck lightly on the larger diameter of the reflector. By putting the assembled pill in the flashlight body and spinning it by hand, any high spots were easily detected which was then slowly with fine emery paper rotated in the lathe and the high spots linished of. It is a really tight fit and will be a bugger to get out. Cheers.

 

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Wonderful! What reflector did you use? XM-L, XP-G, or XR-E?

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Wowsa! Throwy and then some! That is outstanding results from a p60 drop-in. I'd say that reminds me a little of a XR-E beam but with much more punch!

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Hi JohnnyMac. The reflector used was this one  http://www.kaidomain.com/Product/Details.S010132. This is from there web site,

26.5mm SMO Reflector (Fit for CREE XPG R5) . I dont believe I recieved this exact one as it looks different to the one in the picture as you can see from my shot above.

Ledsmoke. I would say the hotspot is nearly twice the diameter of a Q5 I have in a C8 style smooth reflector. On initial impresions it wont throw as well as the larger reflector. Cheers guys.

 

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Oh I did not expect it to throw as well as a bigger reflectored light at all. No its just that the spot size from a P60 XRE R2 is the nearest thing I've seen in any P60 sized light. But it shows it is good for throw for sure Smile

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Oustanding work, MRsDNF! Very nice machining of the thin jacket on the pill as well, looked like it was a bugger to do.  Coincidentally enough, I have been in the process of making my own super P60 drop-in...very similar to yours except I'm going to mount the emitter directly to copper.  I was planning on using the SF low voltage xpg reflector, but that KD one you used is quite impressive. 

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That is some nice work!! Very impressive drop in. Looks like some great throw also.

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Already said, but it is an impressive drop-in and the throw out of that XP-G2 is also impressive. Thanks for showing us this mod!

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Amazing that you can push that much through an xpg-2. Nicely done!

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(mouse out: MF 3 mode, mouse over: XM-L U2 with KD reflector)

(mouse out: MF 3 mode, mouse over: XP-G2 with KD reflector)

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A picture and description of the hosts added to the first post.

 

djozz quotes, "it came with chinese lettering that is chinese to me".

                      "My man mousehole needs one too"

old4570 said "I'm not an expert , so don't suffer from any such technical restrictions".

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Thanks Match and Old-Lumens. You are both a couple of the guys here that a lot of us here learn from and give us inspiration to blow things up and sometimes do something that works.

Rufusbduck. As I have mentioned to you before I'm not very electronicaly minded so I dont know what you do here but it makes really good reading and I hope that you achieve the ultimate driver in the next year or so Laughing. Good stuff.

SashiX. Thanks for the mouse overs. I will work out one day how to do it. It really shows the lights as they are. Cheers guys.

I have taken the KD reflector XM-L and XP-G2 for a walk tonight and the later really stands out on the trails. The spill is there without being bright and not as distracting with glare as the XM-L while throwing a lot further. The ever so slightly warmer tint probably helps here. Cheers.

 

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Looks very impressive ..xml's need to start worrying .

 

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It would be nice if Cree reworked the XRE to bring it’s thermal conductivity down close to that of XML or create an XML with the geometry of XRE. I doubt they pay much attention to us but this forum is like an auxiliary R&D. You really show how a good, close fit is as important as mass(the pill transferring heat to the host but with thin walls and larger area). It looks to me like you’ve found the sweet spot for a p60. I’m looking forward to seeing how Match can push the envelope on this. Thanks for the shout out but I’m not trying to supersede the other ways of using 7135’s, but just come up with another option.

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I had heard that there was going to be an XP-E2 coming out late this year. It all comes down to what home/street/industrial lighting companies want, which isn't always what us lot are after. If there's an application that needs what you're after, you can bet Cree will come out with something, otherwise Sad

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Great work! Do you think the G2 is out of gas this distance, or perhaps <100 meters. Any way to get lux info?

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GottaZoom wrote:
Great work! Do you think the G2 is out of gas this distance, or perhaps <100 meters. Any way to get lux info?

Out on the trail last night there was really good visibility for about 120 yards and you could make out objects ok at 170 yards. There is a clear view from a bridge to a white house and caravan at a distance of 200 yards and it lit these up really good keeping in mind they are reflective surfaces.

 

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Yeah, fruits and nuts indeed. Well we can always hope somebody wants a better xre. Beer

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GottaZoom wrote:
Great work! Do you think the G2 is out of gas this distance, or perhaps <100 meters. Any way to get lux info?

Out on the trail last night there was really good visibility for about 120 yards and you could make out objects ok at 170 yards. There is a clear view from a bridge to a white house and caravan at a distance of 200 yards and it lit these up really good keeping in mind they are reflective surfaces.

Thanks. First place finish on these!

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Oh, this is exciting… Thanks MRsDNF!

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Thanks, Great beam shots and a nice setting you have there MRsDNF.
Really nice throw from the XP-G2 & P60 reflector.
I’m wondering what the consistency is on these reflectors….
If I order 5 of them, what % would shoot a beam like that?
Are the SMO from CNQG comparable?
I will be putting together some XP-G2 P60 when I can some neutral, …it would be ideal if I could get a beam like that.

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I'm not sure what the consistency would be as I have only ordered one for the XP-G. You would like to think that they would all be the same. I have ordered two for XM-L's and they are both the same. E1320 may know more on this.

 

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Low and medium night shots have been added to the first post.

 

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@MRsDNF: Very impressive! I love your copper pill! With what size copper pipe you do start with?

@Everyone: What is the die diameter of the new XP-G2? The XML is 2mm x 2mm, right?

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@Everyone: What is the die diameter of the new XP-G2? The XML is 2mm x 2mm, right?
Shocked Cree XP-G2 3.45 × 3.45mm

Cree XM-L 5 × 5mm

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MRTdiver wrote:
Lothar wrote:
@Everyone: What is the die diameter of the new XP-G2? The XML is *2mm x 2mm*, right?
Shocked "Cree XP-G2":http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-d... 3.45 x 3.45mm "Cree XM-L":http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-d... 5 x 5mm

The XM-L is 5*5mm, but the die size is 2*2mm. 

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Can't blame ya, I've made the same mistake a number of times. Good night. Smile 

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