[17-DEC-2012] Please read: (1) Controversial topics and (2) Use of the SPAM button

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DarkSide wrote:

Scaru and Lumatic running the joint?

what kind of joint are we here talking about..? I thought polemical topics were forbidden… but it would surely calm things down!!!! S)

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I respect that decision. And I, too stepped over the line, but I also feel I needed to since what was said in advance. I would say the majority of folks here who have flashlights also have some guns in the house. It’s a guy thing. We like to have cool things. But I will try to rememeber the rules if this ever happens again.

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sb56637 wrote:
@FlashPilot (Keith):
Thanks a lot for your thoughts, and no offence taken. Let me respond to a few of them here:
  1. With regard to an ignore button and a corresponding user rating/score reducing administrative load, this is unfortunately not at all the case, at least here on BLF. When we used to have a “SPAM level” indicator below every user’s profile, my inbox was constantly flooded with requests by users, often feeling very hurt, asking me to “fix” their SPAM level rating. Most of the time, the SPAM level was simply a result of mistaken clicks on the SPAM button.
  2. As to whether I enjoy the drama, absolutely not. I hate it when this stuff comes up.
  3. About enforcing rules: I enforce the rules whenever I personally notice that a user has seriously crossed the line or when it is brought to my attention. Many users here have received a PM from me in which I request them to go back and remove offensive content, be it controversial or lewd in nature. Almost invariably, the users in question are very reasonable and they edit their posts, or else they ask me to just remove the whole thread for them. The problem is that I don’t read 100% of the posts, and I am frequently away from my computer and away from an internet connection, so I sometimes can’t handle problems promptly, and I apologize for that. In fact that was what happened with the gun control threads. I was away for the better part of Friday and Saturday and extremely busy for all of Sunday, thus the lack of action on my part.

So, I’m not discarding the option of an ignore button. But it’s definitely not a silver bullet solution. The most effective way of ensuring that the rules are enforced is enlisting the help of a slew of moderators in different time zones around the world who will constantly police the forums 24/7 and temporarily ban users after 1 or 2 offences. But as everyone well knows, there are already plenty of forums across the Internet with that moderation style, and we’re not going to follow that same route.

Keith, you say you “created the last poll on this subject”. Are you referring to a poll you created here about whether we should have an “ignore” button? I can’t seem to find one about the subject.

Thanks again for your helpful criticism!

Thanks for the thoughtful reply sb56637. These are obviously very controversial topics.

  • The “ignore button” would have a completely separate use and definition (described by you in your new policy addendum) as a condition of using this forum, and not to be confused with the spam button. If a user receives ignore counts on his profile, then that is because someone has obviously chosen to ignore that person. There is no room for conjecture or resetting the count… it is done. If someone PM’s you about it to complain, you can chose to answer with a quick link to your policy (copy/paste link) or you can ignore it all together. You need not answer in detail for what we all know is policy, and that this type of enforcement has now by default, been transferred to the user group. Be a descent person and people will want to converse with you. Be a jackass and get ignored… not rocket science here. The admin’s job should be to ban when a user gets out of hand. Given enough time, everyone will have a certain number of ignore marks on their profile. I think that goes without saying. We will get used to it. The people that tend to annoy the majority will automatically be silenced very quickly because no one will want to see their moronic posts any longer.

Your other thoughts regarding modding the forum sound fair enough, and there are more than enough responsible users here that would certainly be pleased to help out any way they could.

I couldnt find that poll either, along with a few other threads I posted at least a year ago. Did we crash at some point?

As others have pointed out, this is a flashlight forum, not one to air controversial subjects that will surely upset groups of people. Some of the subject matter and comments have been deeply offensive to some people. If youre looking for fame or to pick a fight, go to youtube and do that. Do it here and be ignored by those that find your comments offensive. Keep it up and be banned.

I seriously hope you will implement this sb56637. Of course there will be some initial resistance, especially by those that will quickly become ignored. But that is their fault and earned by the personal resentment of so many offended users.

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I personally don't like an ignore button. While there are some people that do annoy me sometimes, other times they are extremely helpful and nice. I wouldn't want to miss out on all of their posts. 

But that's just me. 

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
I would say the majority of folks here who have flashlights also have some guns in the house. It's a guy thing.

No.

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kreisler wrote:

Flacomuchacho wrote:
DarkSide wrote:

Scaru and Lumatic running the joint?

what kind of joint are we here talking about..? I thought polemical topics were forbidden… but it would surely calm things down!!!! S)

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Sorry I was one of them that used, ‘SPAM’ on replies not related to the topic. And I’ve marked a thread like 20 times with it on accident, from ones of those first time posters.

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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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I sometimes accidentally press the spam button when try to access the next page when using mobile browser on my phone and do anyone experienced to make a double post when using mobile browser?

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I sometimes accidentally press the spam button when try to access the next page when using mobile browser on my phone and do anyone experienced to make a double post when using mobile browser?

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Nice double there, zelee Smile

I hit the spam button accidentally almost every day.

I also wish the subscriptions button was near the top of the page.

It would also be nice if there was a ‘Next New’ button.

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kronological wrote:
Nice double there, zelee Smile

I hit the spam button accidentally almost every day.

I also wish the subscriptions button was near the top of the page.

It would also be nice if there was a ‘Next New’ button.

Very annoying on give away thread and suddenly bam your post is doubled Flat Stare

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Right fingered so spam button gets tapped fairly often while scrolling. I only confirm it on obvious spam threads.

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kronological wrote:
Nice double there, zelee Smile

I hit the spam button accidentally almost every day.

I also wish the subscriptions button was near the top of the page.

It would also be nice if there was a ‘Next New’ button.


Oh, to have a ‘Next New’ Button!

As for hitting the SPAM button accidentally: it has never happened to me. :bigsmile:

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I accidentally hit the spam button once. But I have used it a couple times already, of course only on spam threads..

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DavidEF wrote:
kronological wrote:
I also wish the subscriptions button was near the top of the page.

It would also be nice if there was a ‘Next New’ button.


Oh, to have a ‘Next New’ Button!

As for hitting the SPAM button accidentally: it has never happened to me. :bigsmile:


Sully….is a ‘Next New’ button possible? Purdy please? Smile

Oh…one other thing…OK…two. Can you add a ‘Messages’ and ‘My Subscriptions’ button at the top so you don’t have to scroll down to them, maybe next to the ‘recent posts’ button on the top right? SmileSmileSmileSmile

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For a few years before the Web happened, there was a wonderful solution based entirely on the proposition that choosing not to see what you knew bothered you was the answer to all this. It worked wonderfully well — and taught people not to reply to what riled them up, just killfile it.

For those who don’t recall those halcyon days of yore, you can read about it at http://www.kibo.com/kibokill/

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It makes invisible any person, place, or thing you don’t want to see. In other words, you can tell the newsreader you never want to see the phrase “MAKE BIG MONEY FAST” again, and those articles will never again appear on your screen. If you can think up the right list of words or phrases, you can trim out a lot of the crap.

Not only can you eliminate articles with bad words in their “Subject:” lines, you can block out things from specific people, sites, newsgroups, or concoct even more interesting formulae. (Anything with a certain number of lines; anything crossposted in certain ways; anything which is a followup; etc.) Internally, what happens is the newsreader program marks those articles as “already been read”, just like the old stuff it doesn’t show you because you saw it yesterday.

The point of this article is to show some of the fun things you can do with killfiles to make Usenet much quicker, and less tedious, to read….

Alas, those days are gone. The commercial and advertising forces would never tolerate that kind of functionality in a web browser. What, let people choose what they want not to be bothered by?

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hank wrote:
For a few years before the Web happened, there was a wonderful solution based entirely on the proposition that choosing not to see what you knew bothered you was the answer to all this. It worked wonderfully well — and taught people not to reply to what riled them up, just killfile it.

For those who don’t recall those halcyon days of yore, you can read about it at http://www.kibo.com/kibokill/

Quote:
It makes invisible any person, place, or thing you don’t want to see. In other words, you can tell the newsreader you never want to see the phrase “MAKE BIG MONEY FAST” again, and those articles will never again appear on your screen. If you can think up the right list of words or phrases, you can trim out a lot of the crap.

Not only can you eliminate articles with bad words in their “Subject:” lines, you can block out things from specific people, sites, newsgroups, or concoct even more interesting formulae. (Anything with a certain number of lines; anything crossposted in certain ways; anything which is a followup; etc.) Internally, what happens is the newsreader program marks those articles as “already been read”, just like the old stuff it doesn’t show you because you saw it yesterday.

The point of this article is to show some of the fun things you can do with killfiles to make Usenet much quicker, and less tedious, to read….

Alas, those days are gone. The commercial and advertising forces would never tolerate that kind of functionality in a web browser. What, let people choose what they want not to be bothered by?


Interesting thought. I wonder if maybe there is some way out there to do just that, and we simply don’t know about it. Hmmm….

Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.
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I used to love Newsgroups, and not just for the killfile option.

I particularly loved the organization (making it easy to find something interesting — eventually), the text-only mode (meaning I can configure my Reader to look the way I want w/o “style sheets” or other glam) and the fact that there was no other censorship than your own killfile.

I wonder where they all went?

Oh, yeah… No way for the “authorities” to “regulate” the content, true anonymity so no way for the NSA to keep track of who’s saying what to whom, and no way for spammers advertisers to get past that killfile. What was I thinking?

Now I love BLF. Thanks to our wonderful, sagacious and wise Admin.

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“Google groups”?? Now that’s funny right there!

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This is sometimes helpful to consider, in situations where a small unpleasantness seems increasingly overblown:
http://suburbdad.blogspot.com/2006/10/victim-bullies.html

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