Review: Black Shadow Terminator 4*U3/4*18650

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Great review like always Johnny, It must be a great light as a bike light :)
Thanks!  Not sure how one would mount it to a bike but if you could figure that out then you probably would have a pretty good high beam. Wink  

I wish more folks who don't hesitate to spend $150 on a light would take a chance on this one.  It really is amazing and quite versatile.    Pricey, yes, but worth every penny if you can swing it, especially when compared with other lights at the same price point or even double.

I believe now you have seen my APEX bike light post (from your comment) and it's the same idea (if you make the right plate) for every flashlight in the market and for this Terminator Smile I always believed that if you want to spend money for a good bike light , above 2000 lumen and cost you between 200 and 500$ it's better to buy a good flashlight like APEX ,TERMINATOR , DARTH and others and then with 25$ total cost to make a fantastic bike light. Even RIC wrote to me that he likes my idea and he is thinking of make one, he didn't say for him or for selling. I also upload a video to my post. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/17265[/quote]Does a Skyray king body screw onto the head of the Apex?  If I remember to when I get home, I will see if the SRK body screws into the Terminator head.  If so, you just need the Terminator and you are set for another killer bike light.  Personally I think the floodiness of the Apex would make the best bike light.

Also, if the do all fit, then you just need to make one bike adapter that will work on all three lights and their derivitives (Fandyfire, Skyray, Solarstorm, Mimic, Rustu, Black Shadow, etc...).

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Yes, this is a great light. But, Black Shadow undermined its release by announcing a U3 version just a week thereafter.

Now the retailers are left holding a bunch of U2s when the demand is for the U3 which isn’t readily available yet.

Bad marketing can destroy a product – even a good one.

And people like myself who ordered early and got a U2 version feel a little misled.

Oh, well.

My name is indy, and I've been a flashaholic since 2004.

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I don’t normally dis any mods, because I’ve done some fugly ones

but that is the DUMBEST mod I’ve ever seen.

edit” to be clear – i mean hot gluing a terminator….

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Great review like always Johnny, It must be a great light as a bike light Smile
Thanks!  Not sure how one would mount it to a bike but if you could figure that out then you probably would have a pretty good high beam. Wink  

I wish more folks who don’t hesitate to spend $150 on a light would take a chance on this one.  It really is amazing and quite versatile.    Pricey, yes, but worth every penny if you can swing it, especially when compared with other lights at the same price point or even double.

I believe now you have seen my APEX bike light post (from your comment) and it’s the same idea (if you make the right plate) for every flashlight in the market and for this Terminator Smile I always believed that if you want to spend money for a good bike light , above 2000 lumen and cost you between 200 and 500$ it’s better to buy a good flashlight like APEX ,TERMINATOR , DARTH and others and then with 25$ total cost to make a fantastic bike light. Even RIC wrote to me that he likes my idea and he is thinking of make one, he didn’t say for him or for selling. I also upload a video to my post. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/17265
Does a Skyray king body screw onto the head of the Apex?  If I remember to when I get home, I will see if the SRK body screws into the Terminator head.  If so, you just need the Terminator and you are set for another killer bike light.  Personally I think the floodiness of the Apex would make the best bike light.

Also, if the do all fit, then you just need to make one bike adapter that will work on all three lights and their derivitives (Fandyfire, Skyray, Solarstorm, Mimic, Rustu, Black Shadow, etc…).

You have to make different plate for every flashlight , you must be very lucky to fit the same plate to different flashlights.
I meant that you can use the same idea to every flashlight in the market and make it a bike light – sorry if my bad english confuse you

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indenial wrote:
Yes, this is a great light. But, Black Shadow undermined its release by announcing a U3 version just a week thereafter.

Now the retailers are left holding a bunch of U2s when the demand is for the U3 which isn’t readily available yet.

Bad marketing can destroy a product – even a good one.

And people like myself who ordered early and got a U2 version feel a little misled.

Oh, well.


I read somewhere don’t expect magic among U2, U3 and XML2 U2. The higher the expectation, the higher the disappointment.
So I pulled trigger on my second Terminator. This one will be screwed into my current Terminator to make a 5000 lumens flashlight so that I don’t need to buy X6. She will be 8-LED running with 8*18650, sounds more efficient than Olight. My original plan is to get 5 Terminator to make a 20-LED to match 4sevens flashlight. Let’s see how things go with my 8-LED first.

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dthrckt wrote:
I don’t normally dis any mods, because I’ve done some fugly ones

but that is the DUMBEST mod I’ve ever seen.

edit” to be clear – i mean hot gluing a terminator….


Some people have “sickness”, I remember one guy amputated himself because he hated his legs for 40 years. He feels happy at the end.
I guess that owner hated Terminator handle so much.

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So I pulled trigger on my second Terminator. This one will be screwed into my current Terminator…

How are you going to do that mechanically?

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So I pulled trigger on my second Terminator. This one will be screwed into my current Terminator…

How are you going to do that mechanically?

Rich


They have 1/4 -20 screw thread underneath. Just need to get the right screw.

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something like this
Some adjustment will be needed to make them pointing at same direction.

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something like this Some adjustment will be needed to make them pointing at same direction.

Ah! Forgot about that… you’ll still have to add some bracing somewhere else… I should think that one screw only would break off too easily.

I got both the neutral and cool versions and they are flawless lights.

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something like this Some adjustment will be needed to make them pointing at same direction.

Ah! Forgot about that… you’ll still have to add some bracing somewhere else… I should think that one screw only would break off too easily.

I got both the neutral and cool versions and they are flawless lights.

Rich


Ya, I need something between them for proper fitting and not to scratch my Terminator so much.
Combine two will be easiest one. I can’t locate standard L shape or + shape adapters or screws to combine 3,4 or 5 Terminator. Might need to do custom build to combine more. Anyway, 5000 lumens will be really bright as my single Terminator already can light up everything in front of her.

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I believe that I fix the problem with the banned song and now it’s a mute video but you can watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYpmT4BW4g

Please someone from US inform me that everything is OK
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jlogres wrote:
I believe that I fix the problem with the banned song and now it’s a mute video but you can watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYpmT4BW4g Please someone from US inform me that everything is OK thanks
The video works great for me.  Super job on that light! Works great and looks professional. 8)
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jlogres wrote:
I believe that I fix the problem with the banned song and now it’s a mute video but you can watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYpmT4BW4g Please someone from US inform me that everything is OK thanks
The video works great for me.  Super job on that light! Works great and looks professional. 8)

Thank you Johnny

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The Terminator is being sold online by a local dealer in our country and I’m setting my sights on this beast. I can’t wait to get my hands on one. Thank you for this review. Beer

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this is still on my want list… any word on the u3 version and or if the possible “under driven” issues (when compared to spec) are worked out yet?

maybe i will pm the forum rep on cpf and see if he knows anything about this and or xml2 versions

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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I can tell you that Black Shadow engineers have a 1.5m Integrated Sphere that they test on.  They test 3450 with a U2 version and over 3700 with the U3 version.  It is very likely that IS are not linear in their outputs and that with my smaller IS (14") it is not as accurate with the extremely bright lights like this one.  I read over 3200 lumens with my IS.  My IS is not ANSI certified but is calibrated pretty dead on with lights under 2000 lumens and is exactly in agreement with Match's and E1320's OTF numbers for the same exact regulated light.  The Terminator could very well be putting out the claimed number.

Another review on CPF did not test the U3 on an IS but they did do a lux reading and my U3 light returned the same exact number as his did.  Build quality is exceptional and apparently consistent.  I will say that people claim brightness to the eye is not linear.  My SRK puts out around 2300 OTF lumens (IIRC) and I will tell you that the Terminator is not only brighter, it DOMINATES the SRK as you can see in my indoor photos.  I really do not doubt the 3500 OTF lumens claimed by Black Shadow.  Their numbers for the U3 were actually closer to 3800 in their tests.

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I would love to calibrate my IS against a regulated and ANSI certified light that puts out 3000 OTF lumens or more.  Once calibrated against that light I'd retest the Terminator and see what I get.  I'm sure it would be higher than what I tested now.  At the price the dealer mentioned is selling them I wouldn't walk, I'd RUN and grab one ASAP before the price changes.  This light really is this good in my experience.

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Thanks for the info… I emailed their vendor to see when the u3 will be sold.

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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Another review on CPF did not test the U3 on an IS but they did do a lux reading and my U3 light returned the same exact number as his did.

What lux reading do you get and at what distance? I’d like to compare it to mine.

I don’t think that the sphere size is an issue. I get the same values using the internal sensor and the external sensor (that sees 1/100 the light of the internal one) on my 16” sphere. Also, the numbers that I get with my 15,000 lumen light ( http://budgetlightforum.com/node/15483 ) match Bridgelux’s published data quite well.

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Just picked one up for $118 shipped to Canada brand new for the U2 version. Knowing that once you get that bright, a few hundred lumens is barely noticeable to the eye, I didn’t Need the u3 version. For the price, it sounds like a fine piece of light! And it should arrive around when my tk75 arrives so I can’t wait to compare!

I am also curious on lux numbers of the U2.

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damn, word is out. might not be able to wait, johnny Wink

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I really love the form factor of this light. I am holding out till xml2 though

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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Just picked one up for $118 shipped to Canada brand new for the U2 version. Knowing that once you get that bright, a few hundred lumens is barely noticeable to the eye, I didn't Need the u3 version. For the price, it sounds like a fine piece of light! And it should arrive around when my tk75 arrives so I can't wait to compare! I am also curious on lux numbers of the U2.
I haven't measured the U2 lux number (if I did I must have them written down somewhere. Just need to find them).  I can't remember the exact lux recorded for the U2 @ 1m but IIRC it worked out to around 426 yds?  Don't quote me on that though.

U3 numbers as follows:

Output (U3 1C emitters):
ModeOTF Lumens
Firefly:0.15
Low:489
Medium:1685
High (initial)3174
High (10-15 seconds)3044
Lux 
Lux @ 15ft2380
Lux @ 1m59292
Distance @ 0.25lux487yds
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Thanks for the numbers… very helpful

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jmpaul320 wrote:
this is still on my want list… any word on the u3 version and or if the possible “under driven” issues (when compared to spec) are worked out yet?

maybe i will pm the forum rep on cpf and see if he knows anything about this and or xml2 versions

May I know where you see the under driven issues mentioned? Is it one of the member here got one that is not bright enough, I forgot who he is already.
Mine is definitely driven very hard. It got so hot to touch in 10 minutes. Of course this is very subjective to judge by touching heatsink.

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May I know where you see the under driven issues mentioned?
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Some initial examples of the light appear to be driven below the manufacturer’s output claims. I have discussed this with them and their engineers are working to determine the cause. They sent me their newest U3 version to be evaluated.

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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I think it was Texaspyro who only measured around 2200 on his. 

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I think it was Texaspyro who only measured around 2200 on his. 

Yes, and two other examples (allegedly U3’s) are at 2400 lm. My tailcap current readings back those numbers up.

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As my Terminator is between Fenix TK70 and Trustfire X100, so she should be within 2000 to 3000 lumens. Again, this is very subjective as different person or different led tint will have different perception.

How to do a simple relative lumens comparison without sphere?

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