US - Defiant ArmorMax 3D Tactical Flashlight - 3D XML light $29.97 - GET BACK TO HD NOW!!!!

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I was hoping to start a new thread so that we could migrate away from garrys 500 post thread for the defiant here

There were several people who joined the defiant thrower bandwagon who asked a number of questions that were already answered that didn’t feel like navigating through 500 posts to find the answers.

I will ATTEMPT to do my best and update this thread on a daily or semi-daily basis with pertinent information. I am going to purchase one or two of these online right now and pick them up at my store this week.

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Price 29.97

Model # 809-3731-D

Internet # 203657321

Store SKU # 852955

UPC # 0-3993-53275-7

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION

The ArmorMax flashlight line from Defiant is built to the strictest standard. Powered by premium LEDs, ArmorMax lights are among the brightest and most efficient on the market. Drop-tested from 30 feet and waterproof up to at least one meter, these lights are capable of withstanding even the most demanding work conditions. The ergonomically designed aluminum body is also surprisingly lightweight, making everyday tasks that much easier.

Premium Grade LED Highly durable aluminum construction Rubberized caps allow flashlight to be nearly unbreakable Waterproof up to 1 meter MFG Model # : 809-3731-D MFG Part # : 809-3731-D

Photos from Bluecvbc


preliminary measurements/photos
O-L’s detailed photos/beamshots here
stock current & lumens

If your light is DOA please read this

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Nice.

I’m looking forward to hearing about dimensions, especially the reflector Laughing out loud

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1.4 LBS is the weight

1.4 LBS is the weight according to the spec… is that with or without the batteries?

this thing is HEAVY… big… BEEFY

I think this needs a SST90 dont you?

I guess the next question is – how much room is inside!? Annnnnnnd if its a 3D host… that could mean that 4x C nimh cells would fit Smile

Placing my order online shortly!

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jmpaul320 wrote:1.4 LBS is

jmpaul320 wrote:
1.4 LBS is the weight according to the spec… is that with or without the batteries?

this thing is HEAVY… big… BEEFY

I think this needs a SST90 dont you?

I guess the next question is – how much room is inside!? Annnnnnnd if its a 3D host… that could mean that 4x C nimh cells would fit Smile

Placing my order online shortly!

That would be epic. 4xC NiMH are the foundation of a monster SST-90 light.

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Slim Pickens wrote:jmpaul320

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jmpaul320 wrote:
1.4 LBS is the weight according to the spec… is that with or without the batteries?

this thing is HEAVY… big… BEEFY

I think this needs a SST90 dont you?

I guess the next question is – how much room is inside!? Annnnnnnd if its a 3D host… that could mean that 4x C nimh cells would fit Smile

Placing my order online shortly!

That would be epic. 4xC NiMH are the foundation of a monster SST-90 light.

should be able to push around 13-14 amps with that! im stoked!

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My HD had a pack of 12 on

My HD had a pack of 12 on display in the standard flashlight section. It appeared I was the first to pick one up and couldn’t believe the weight of this thing. I was going there to purchase one of these, but I figured if I was going to carry a large light this heavy and 2-1/2” longer than a standard 3-D light, I’d pick one of my other lights I have.

IMHO, if you want a super powerful and light weight flashlight, pick up a Skyray 9x T6 or the AK-47 with 3 × 26650’s. Much easier to handle.

However, I did purchase the new Defiant ArmorMax 3C. It has a larger battery tube than the Defiant Super Thrower but seemed to only have a XP-E being pushed to 250 lumens. I want to see if it’s a good modding host for something more powerful.

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Well, I got mine today, on

Well, I got mine today, on the way to work. I'm at work now, so no photos. I will add photos and beam shots when I get home after Midnight. I have the Defiant Super thrower also, so I will do some comparison shots of the two.

First impressions are the weight. Too heavy for practical carry. Great for bashing heads in. I am sure you could kill someone with this light, especially if you leave off the rubber caps. It's like carrying a big hammer, but I would not want to lug this thing around anywhere.

This is one of those "pipe fitting" lights that China is so famous for. It looks like a pipe fitting end cap, attached to a lead pipe and a pipe fitting adaptor up to the head. Not appealing at all.

Fit and finish is good. These Defiant lights are made well for the price and I like the shiny finish. It still looks like ano to me, with clearcoat over top, but what do I know?

I cannot give you the dimensions here at work. The lens and reflecrtor appear to be plastic again and about the same diameter as the 3C Thrower. It is a shallow reflector, but due to it's large diameter, it still puts out a very bright spot, but seems to have more spill. It's not dark yet, so all I can do is use it against the guard house wall. Compared to the Defiant Thrower, the spot is about half again as large and the spill is brighter. It has three modes, H/M/Fast Strobe, so it has a driver of some sorts. I have not taken it apart yet.

Did I say this thing is heavy?

I will put up some photos after midnight. I'm sure others will put some up too. If I do anything with this light, it will be to cut it down to a "1D" style and run it with 4AA Eneloops.

Oh, these Defiant lights are made for Brinkman, or at least Brinkman is the US handler of them.

 

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Here's the

Here's the UPC:

0-3993-53275-7

I'm heading home from work now, I'll try to post a few pics and dimensions within the next 2 hours. O-L, concerning heft: You should get in good shape carrying this beast around. You can do curls while you're walking the beat...Sealed

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BetweenRides wrote:Here’s the

BetweenRides wrote:

Here’s the UPC:


0-3993-53275-7


I’m heading home from work now, I’ll try to post a few pics and dimensions within the next 2 hours. O-L, concerning heft: You should get in good shape carrying this beast around. You can do curls while you’re walking the beat…Sealed

thanks – i added the upc to the main post… i will add any photos/dimensions when you post them Smile

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It's a freaking gym dumbbell disguised as a flashlight.

It should be in every tank and armored personnel carrier in case one ran out of ammo. lol

Loaded with 3D’s if you’re a security guard this thing at minimum requires you able to bench press 300 lbs. Oh and you better have big hands too with the ability to grip a large pipe once you assume a standing position regardless of how sore your knuckles are from draggin them on the pavement. Laughing out loud

Other than that, I can see this getting modded to run off of 1×18650 or 1 ×32650. I think the 3C Super Thrower is still superior especially with a side clicky.

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My local HD showed 6 units

My local HD showed 6 units “in stock”.. When I got there, they were unable to locate any units. Sad They told me that they would try to find them and give me call. Bunch of BS. What if I ordered online and chose to pick up at store?. Things like this really piss me off!!

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Preliminary info and

Preliminary info and Pictures:

Reflector is plastic, 60mm wide (od) x 44mm deep
Lens is plastic, 61/5mm wide
LED star is 20mm wide
Aluminum screw in pill, looks to be pretty good heatsink
Overall length: 12-5/8 inches
It's a 3 speed: High, Medium, Strobe. All tail - reverse clicky. As suspected, it's slightly brighter than the 3C, but hotspot not as tight and intense.

L-R: Small Sun ZY-T08, Defiant 3C, Defiant 3D, Maglite 2D, Solarforce M8, Mini Maglite Pro










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None in MD.

Went to HD in Westminster MD this afternoon and none there.They still have two boxes of the 3c throwers though.-Rick

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thanks for the info between

thanks for the info between rides! added to OP

now… to hunt for a ucl

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God another Defiant light?

God another Defiant light? How many of these am I going to end up owning? The 550 lumens Christmas one was cool, had to grab it at $20. The 3C Super Thrower was also cool and even though I didn't need it, well I bought one anyways. Now I'm going to end up getting this for what reason I do not know, other than compulsion of course... Really just wish they weren't available at HD, I wish they were only sold at some random store that does not exist in my area, would make life so much easier.

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lite wrote:God another

lite wrote:

God another Defiant light? How many of these am I going to end up owning? The 550 lumens Christmas one was cool, had to grab it at $20. The 3C Super Thrower was also cool and even though I didn’t need it, well I bought one anyways. Now I’m going to end up getting this for what reason I do not know, other than compulsion of course… Really just wish they weren’t available at HD, I wish they were only sold at some random store that does not exist in my area, would make life so much easier.

With any luck this means that online flashlight vendors are gonna step their game up!

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gen1.3_ wrote:My local HD

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My local HD showed 6 units "in stock".. When I got there, they were unable to locate any units. Sad They told me that they would try to find them and give me call. Bunch of BS. What if I ordered online and chose to pick up at store?. Things like this really piss me off!!
Did you have the # 852955.

They are probably in the "no home" section. It's a smaller display box, since there's only six lights in it. About 24x24x24 box.

I gave the guy in my store the number and he found it in the "no home" area. In my store it's in the tool section, on upper shelving, but it may be anywhere in other stores.

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Old-Lumens wrote:

gen1.3_ wrote:
My local HD showed 6 units “in stock”.. When I got there, they were unable to locate any units. Sad They told me that they would try to find them and give me call. Bunch of BS. What if I ordered online and chose to pick up at store?. Things like this really piss me off!!
Did you have the # 852955.


They are probably in the “no home” section. It’s a smaller display box, since there’s only six lights in it. About 24×24×24 box.


I gave the guy in my store the number and he found it in the “no home” area. In my store it’s in the tool section, on upper shelving, but it may be anywhere in other stores.

Yeah, I gave them the store SKU#. The guy wrote down my contact info, hopefully they’ll find them.

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TWO POUNDS, FOUR OUNCES .... and DOA

The title says it all, it weighs two pounds, four ounces with batteries.

The other posters aren’t blowing smoke, this thing is heavy and big. I bought it mainly as a curiosity because of the weight. Plus, I’m hoping there will be some great mod ideas. But at this weight and size, this behemoth will stay on the shelf 99.9% of the time. Unless, like others said, I need to use a light AND crack ice blocks in half or bash heads or drive in BIG nails. Or maybe some long-lost uncle leaves me a truck full of D batteries in his will.

Still light here in windy SoCal, but it appears floodier than the HD sooper thrower while hunting white walls. It sure is heavier. That’s for sure.

Also, they couldn’t find it, just like the other HD torches. Took ‘em a half hour. Plus, I was all excited and got it home; threw the batteries in and and and …….. COMPLETELY DOA.

Fortunately, BLF has taught me well. Paper clip showed me that it works fine without the switch and tailcap. DMM showed me that the switch worked fine, with the tailcape off the light. Disassembly was fairly straightforward, and so was the problem. Switch contact was not in the spring correctly so when pressure was applied, it lost contact. Put it back together. STILL NOTHING! GRRRRR.

More fiddling and use of certain phrases and words that are not allowed to be printed in a family forum. Wink

This problem was not so easily trouble-shooted. It appeared that the VERY tight-fitting end cap caused the O rings to roll out of place and block the contact (even with a liberal goop of nyogel). Will investigate more thoroughly when I have more time. In any case, WITH end-cap o rings = no work. WITHOUT o rings = work.

Summary: Seems like a well-made light and brightness is okay, but it is way too big and heavy for anything but emergency use (or using it to demo a concrete patio).

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gonna try to order one for

gonna try to order one for in-store pickup

Let them do the hunting for me

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Did the price on these go up?

Did the price on these go up? Weren’t they around $23?

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Others were $23

>>>>Did the price on these go up? Weren’t they around $23?

The others were $23. These are different and more money. But you can use these as a boat anchor if you need one. It’s that heavy. Wink

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Ubehebe wrote:>>>>Did the

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>>>>Did the price on these go up? Weren’t they around $23?

The others were $23. These are different and more money. But you can use these as a boat anchor if you need one. It’s that heavy. ;-)

Ahh, I see. Thanks

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I wiped the Store Out

I went to Store #4025 and bought them all (Few locals wanted them)

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/203657321?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword…

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Brighter

Well, it's brighter than the 3C Thrower and I really don't notice much of a larger spot. It throws well. Now I've only tried at about 250 yards, but right now, I would favor the 3D over the 3C. That's in stock light form, no mods. It will be interesting to see the driver in this thing. Can't find out here at work, but I will at home.

If it weren't so darned heavy....

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"Missing feature?" COME on now...

I was reading through the reviews of this light on the HD site.
One of the reviewers says, “The one feature it’s missing is a focus adjustment.”
Really? A testament to legacy (read: Mag incand) lights, this feature is still engrained on consumer’s ‘flashlight feature’ checklist. Until the day arrives that people forget about focusing, Maglite will likely cater to it in order to stand out. Too bad. They should just leave that to LED Lenser and move on.

Besides, I can’t believe people don’t think of simply buying an additional, more floody flashlight Wink
or getting creative with Saran Wrap and the rubber bumper cover that comes with the 3D Defiant.

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Seems like this model has a

Seems like this model has a seriously hefty heatsink. 

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Just got one of these from my

Just got one of these from my local HD but they were still in the box on the over head shelf. A stock man was nice enough to help me look and get one out for me once we found them. Cool Now what to buy the wife so she doesn’t blow up!!! Innocent

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Seems to be the Story

Yeah, mine too. I went into the store, armed with the SKU# and they looked at me like a deer in the headlights. Finally, the aisle guy, got the ladder out, and there was a box of them on the top shelf, all taped shut. They brought it down, and I bought the whole box, minus one that the salesman wanted. They didn’t seem to know anything about them, however, the had bunchs of the Garry Bunk Defiant models.

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Photos of the light in taken

Photos of the light in taken apart

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3D and 3C

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3C on left 3D on right

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Breakdown shots

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Two O rings. Very nice threads

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Again, Two O rings and nice threads

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Star & LED

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Head

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Bottom side of pill. This plastic cover just unscrews

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Driver and big old spring - Resistance

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Driver. I believe it's direct drive with modes. H/M/Strobe

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 Tail cap insert unscrews

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 Another super long spring and an inner insert that holds the switch in.

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 Switch assembly I doubt it would take 3+ amps for long

 

 

Beam Shots - Mouseovers. MOUSEOUT is 3C  MOUSEOVER IS 3D in ALL Shots.

m1

 1/8 second shutter, to show the beam better.

 

2m

 1 second shutter

 

3m

 2 Seconds Shutter, to show the tree.

 

4m

 Down to 1 second shutter here You can really notice how much more spill the 3D is, but it's still brighter in the spot as the 3C is. At least to me it is.

 

5m

 1 second shutter

 Sorry, I don't have a stationary holder for the lights when I take photos. Handheld does not make each shot in the exact place as the last one.

What this proves is that the Depth of the reflector has little to do with the size of the spot. It is the diameter and profile of the reflector. The spot on the 3D is just about identical to the 3C and it is brighter. The 3D has more spill, due to the shallow reflector.

Now to Stipple the 3D and make it into a 1D.

That's it for tonight.

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