Defiant XML Spotlight - MT-G2 Mod

NOTE: This thread is the first mod attempt made to the light. The second mod attempt is here.

This light off the shelf out threw all my flashlights, but had a very narrow hot spot that I couldn’t use. It has wide faint useful flood. So I figure the MT-G2 might make this very easy to handle spotlight actually usable for me. It is a difficult host to work with because almost all of the light is plastic with no ventilation. There are two big challenges to this mod:

  • Getting the heat out of the interior of the light.
  • Getting emitter height right give the thick walled plastic reflector. I pedestal of some sort will be needed.

Here are a couple threads on this light:

I got the emitter from dthrckt. I hobbled the light together just so I could see the beam and decide if I really want to do this. The hobbled set up is:

  • 2s NCR18650A’s - Protected
  • Manafont “3T6” driver. This driver is only supposed to be used with parallel XML’s, but I figured it would be fine since the battery voltage would be higher that the MT-G2 (as opposed to 3 XML’s in series). The light was pulling 3.8 amps at the emitter. This was with very small, cheap switch and a lot of extra wire lengths from battery to driver and driver to led. My DMM has stock leads. I’ve since replaced the switch with a Judco 10amp. The current has gone up to 4amps on my DMM. I suspected the actual current is higher.
  • Reflector hole expanded to accommodate the whole emitter pcb (almost 1/2 inch). This is to get the emitter as high into the reflector as possible. EDIT: I think the emitter should be even a little higher into the reflector. I think all reflectors are going to have an issue with this due to the proximity of the solder pads. Seriously thinking about mounting the emitter directly on to a copper pedestal.
  • Copper slug to get the emitter base against the back of the reflector and to help spread the heat to the rather large “pill” in this spotlight. I just received the Sinkpad. It is like 3 times thicker than the Cutter base. You don’t need the spacing of the copper slug, but I stuck with it for heat dispersion purposes. EDIT: In hindsight, I think that was over kill. Here is a picture of the pill the in progress slug (pounded out penny) and the reflector with the MT-G2.

Here it is with copper slug reflowed to copper tape in base. The pill really sucks away the heat. After several minutes of trying to used a strong soldering iron, I had to pull out the torch. the slug still needs so more lapping.

Copper tape on back. I did the copper tape thing on my SRK and it really helped with dispersing the heat.

Pill with more copper tape added around the copper slug to further speed up heat dispersion. I used scraps I had laying around. I know it looks funny, but it really works. I didn’t finish lapping it because I intended to reflow the sinkpad to the slug. Unfortunately, I didn’t realize the Sinkpad was going to be aluminum.

Result. Fantastic. The best I can describe the beam is a combination (but better) of my best thrower and my best flooder. The hot spot is very large, defined, and goes way out there. I have not clear area on my property long enough to see the limit (too many trees). My driveway is almost a 1/4 mile long, but it curves and rises and falls. I estimate the furthest point I had a clear line of sight to was about 600 800- 500+ feet. This light lit that area up clearly. My modded Defiant Super Thrower (4.2 amp XML U2 NW) is no match. The flood is not quite a SRK on high, but it not far from it. So you get a bunch of flood, but a ton of throw with this set up. The flood is very wide and very usable. When you switch from the SRK to this light, it feels like a veil has been pulled because all of a sudden you see so much more territory.

Here is the hobbled version. You need to open up the whole light to change the batteries. I don’t have the driver heat sinked yet (less concerned with it due to low cost).

The challenges will be to get the heat out of the plastic body and battery (or charging) accessibility. I want to change the body as little as possible. That being said, I probably will run an aluminum plate across the back of the “pill” that will extend out the sides of the light. Then I will attach small heat sinks on the outside. Should give tons of heat sinking and still allow tail standing and kick standing. EDIT: Actually, I don’t think the pill will be necessary with that set up.

I would love to see this emitter put in a larger spot light, but I don’t have the budget to be the person to do it.
Here are a couple pics of the completed hobbled version:

I will try to take some beam shots tonight.

Unfortunately, this evening turned into a mess. I decided to reflow the MT-G2 to the Sinkpad I received today and ran into all kinds of issues trying to get the light back together. It was late so I didn’t test connections or current before running out with my wife to take some pictures. Anyway. Here are the really lousy pics that I will redo soon, I hope. I need to find a good photo location and get a real camera. If anyone can suggest a budget camera, I would appreciate that.

The first three pictures I was aiming at the driveway about 400 500+ feet out. My wife was standing directly in front of me. She is quite a bit shorter than me and I didn’t realize she was taking photos of weeds directly in front of us instead of the driveway. EDIT: Most of the light is hitting the driveway which is hidden behind the hill and the weeds. The photos are dimmer than real life. For instance, there are a couple small reflectors (At 500 and 600 ft) I have out there nailed to trees. I real life, I can see them clearly. In the pictures, I don’t see them. You can see a small part of the driveway were it crests before falling again. You can see some tree trunks on the downward portion of the driveway beyond the crest. Those trees are a good 600 to 700 (maybe 800) feet out.

Defiant Super Thrower - 4ish amp, xml u2 5300-5600 tint

Defiant SpotLight-MT-G2 - You can see the spill is very wide and color rendition is much better.

SRK - Nice flood, but you can’t see far.

These next photos are much closer (will measure tomorrow).

Defiant Super Thrower

Defiant SpotLight-MT-G2

SRK

Sounds very promising! Thanks for sharing.

Looking forward to see some pictures.

You have my full attention. Good luck on the build.

Sounds like a great MT-G2 mod candidate! Looking forward to pics (esp. beamshots)!

-Garry

glad to hear you like the beam. sounds much more useful.

I’m thinking the same thing as far as heatsink on the sunforce spotlight I’m working on. Ebay and speedymetals are two good places to check for bar stock.

good luck.

Now if someone would come out with a driver specifically for the MT-G2… Also the led is just too pricey for me. I doubt it will ever fall in price either, just like the SST-90 have never dropped enough to make them useful leds. Too bad.

Sorry, talking without knowing what I'm talking about.

this sounds like an awesome build…something i would like to have as well.
well this emitter work for that other home depot light, the one that takes C cell batteries?

how would that driver differ from all the drivers that already work great w/ the MTG2?

I also doubt the price will go significantly lower - but at least it is already lower than the SST-90.

IMO, $25 for 1800 to 2500 lumen is certainly ‘useful’…

It doesn't need a MT-specific driver, does it? I think everyone here who's tried it with ordinary buck drivers has found it works fine, I can't recall anyone finding a buck driver that wouldn't drive it (of course the input voltage will always have to be above the Vf, which it will be even with only 2 cells in series). Ferinstance the stock driver in the S1100 (3 18650 in series, single LED) will run multiple series LEDs without a hiccup, and Vf is Vf, the driver doesn't care whether it's one LED or multiples. The driver I tested ran one XM-L at 3.23v/3.31a, two in series at 6.36v/3.25a and three in series at 9.56v/3.70a.

We’ll probably find that the buck drivers stop working (or have a huge drop in current) when battery voltage is <1V over Vf.

But that’s not much different than XML2 in single cell lights…and is better than erring on the over-discharge side :slight_smile:

We are lacking a high power boost driver - which imo is kind of irrelevant for single cell lights, due to short runtime, but that would be nice for lights w/ several parallel cells…

6v MT-G2 direct drive off two cr123s, ~650mA. :O

Really looking forward to the beamshots, that reflector looks superb!

Bridgelux C9000… $55 for 15,000+ lumens… 15,000 Lumen Bridgelux C9000 Light Engine

They have smaller arrays that will outshine the MTG for less bucks.

so would $25 in xmls…but I still like the mtg2 :wink:

This looks promising. That driver is decent too. Not sure it can handle 30W+ though (5A at emitter).
Now the wait for beamshots. :wink:

The CW should be available quite soon… any info on a NW or CW?

I bet it can, especially if potted in a copper pipe cap. Should be plenty of room for that in the defiant host!

If somebody can tell me which resistor to change, and what to try, I’ve got two of those drivers and I’ll see if it will push an mtg2 harder than it does in stock form. At least it is much cheaper ($5.8) than the 3-18V and 5.5-12V 9A drivers that I’ve tried ($15 - $17).

Actually, disregard last transmission. I’m packing up my flashlight stuff tonight. I’m moving again soon and I can’t get any packing done when I have access to all my hobby stuff 0:)

I’m with both of you. I really love the Bridgelux leds. To me they put out some the nicest light I have ever seen. I bought some 10watters that I have used for “off roading” and plan to use for indoor lighting. Two 10 watters to one 18v laptop power supply will light up a big room with luscious light.

EDIT: I will check out your link in a minute, but wouldn’t a bridgelux in a flashlight/spotlight, wouldn’t you need a very huge reflector? I’m not against it. I think the idea rocks. All these emitters can rock in the right place.

The right super big reflector would be awesome with multiple xml’s. I really dream of something like that, but I have this one spotlight that is currently mostly useless to me. It is much easier (time is money and life) to mod it with one MT-G2. I will be posting some picks of the interim hobbled version in the OP shortly.

Dthrckt, when you are ready look for resistors with top marks that start with R. Something like R082 or R100. Take a picture of them and we’ll figure out how to make it drive harder :wink:
Actually, I thought the 3T6 driver was set to 4.5A already. It’s dropping down to 3A when driving 6V Vf on it’s own? Maybe a mod will not help.