The Sky-Ray King Thrower Mod........ It's Finished! Beam shots are up

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The Sky-Ray King Thrower Mod........ It's Finished! Beam shots are up

Project is on Hold, see Post #52.

 No it's Not!!Tongue Out

You know how crazy I am, so here's another little taste. I love the suspense, but I know it makes some of you nuts when I do this. Tongue Out

sry1a

So what if I take a 52mm by 47mm XM-L reflector and throw it in an SRK, with a DrJones driver, an XM-L2 U2 and some "other batteries", (they need to be a little shorter than 18650 and they need to be NiMHs) and see what the heck happens.

This is all I have so far, I need to think the rest through.Wink

 

05/03/2013

Well it took a day of hand work to make a 2" aluminum round into a 1.something" round for the heat sink, but it did come out round and it will be a press fit, so it should transfer heat good.

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But.... now I have a problem. I have gotten the MT-G2 flu bug, courtesy of a certain AU member and I cannot decide if I want to do this,

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Or This....

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EDIT: The MT-G2 would not work as shown and I am not sure what I will do with the build for the moment.

05/06/2013

So I don't give up, I just needed to walk away for a bit.

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I needed to find a way to hold the reflector while I try to center it in the poorly made SRK. The larger ring is actually made to hold a lens. It is soft and hollow, just what I need to give the reflector something flexible, to center it.

 

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Now I can put in the lens and tighten everything down, while centering it best as I can.

 

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It works out pretty good. When I screw the head on now, the ovality is minimal and I think I can get the head on over an XM-L2 led.

 

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Originally, I was going to make a copper star and pin and solder the two together, with the pin going into the heat sink. Well, with the off center problem, I made the pin off center, which is not going to work now, so I just gave in and drilled for four pins. I have a copper star coming and I am going to reflow the led to the star and the star to the pins all at one time. I think that will give a fairly good heat transfer and even if it does not, I will feel like it's a good thing.Wink

 

So now I wait again. DrJones is sending me yet another of his lumodrv drivers and the copper star is on the way.

The saga continues, but will it ever end?

 05/07/2013

I decided to work on the upper contact plate and the tail cap with it's plate.

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What are the rounds for?

 

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The bottom contact plate has to be modified from Parallel to Series. We've done this before, haven't we?

 

mjl0

The modified plate is now in series. The four washers will help to keep the plate rotating smoothly against the tail cap. Yep, the only way to make this a tail loading light is to be able to remove the tail cap and the only way to make it easy is to make the assembly work like the EA8 Caveman, where the contact plate will rotate in the tail cap.

 

 

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The upper contact plate is done just like before, with a Radio Shack board and Nickel Silver contacts.

 

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Back side with the one jumper and +&- leads.

 

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In order for the bottom contact plate to rotate it has to be hooked somehow to the tail cap. I will drill for a brass pin. The pin will fit through the tail cap and the contact plate will rotate on it. On top of the tail cap will be a Nickel Silver round, soldered to the brass pin and there will be a very short sleeve between the tail cap and contact plate, for a spacer. (that's the tubing) and another small piece of tubing will be soldered on for a cap so the contact plate stays on.    Don't worry, I will have photos showing it in stages.

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 I had a little time today, to work on the tail cap. I think it came out rather well.

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I am using 1/8" brass rod. I drilled out three of the holes used originally for screws. I rounded the ends of the rod and pushed them thru.

 

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I soldered them to the contact holes that were already there. The fourth hole stays as is. With three pins you can't get it wrong. It can only go on one way.

 

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I drilled out three of the screw holes in the body, to 5/16", so the pins glide right in.

 

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I used 1/8" brass rod again, in the tail cap. I drilled and pressed it in. Then I used a very short piece of brass tubing over the pin, to act as a spacer when the contact plate goes on and soldered it on. This keeps the plate off the tail cap just a little, so it will spin freely. I will also run just a dab of grease in the tail cap, so it lubes as the plate turns.

 

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On the back side, I soldered on a Nickel Silver round, to the pin. With the spacer on the inside and this on the outside, the pin isn't going anywhere.

 

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I put in the contact plate and used another small piece of brass tubing over the top and soldered it in place. Now the contact plate spins freely, but won't come off. Instant Nitecore Tail Cap. Hope they don't sue me.

 

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Just line up the pins, push and turn the tail cap on.

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It works Great! Can't wait to try it out with the finished build.

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 05-10-2013

A little work has progressed, not much but a little.

sdv65

I got the copper SinkPad and I reflowed the XM-L2 to the star and the star to the heat sink all at one time. I tinned the bottom and top sides of the star and fluxed the led contacts as well as the copper pins in the heat sink. Then I put it in a vise and heated from underneath with my torch. Once the led flowed into place, I hit the underside of the heat sink with a can of compressed air turned upside down, so it would cool the heat sink quickly. Seemed to work fine except for my big error. It works fine and does not affect anything really, but I will let you figure out the error. Someone will catch it.

 

awert764

I got the "A" NiMH cells, but they are shorter than 18650 cells, so I used the drill press and an end mill bit to cut the shelf deeper, so the contact plate sits lower and that way the cells fit right with a magnet on each positive contact. This also leaves me more room for the driver, which was getting too close for comfort between the heat sink and contact plate.

 

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"A" NiMH cells are also smaller around, so I put in a center post that keeps the cells from shifting too much. I am just trying to keep the cells in place and not have them rattle around too much.

 

That's it till I get the driver, which is several days down the road.

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05-14-2013

I finally got this light done. The driver came in yesterday, but I wasn't able to get it done till today.

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The DrJones driver and the extra chips driver are all wired up and ready to go. It's a total of 14 chips, (12 of them at 380mA and 2 of them at 350mA), so it hopefully will put out around 5 amps if I wired it right.

 

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The drivers and top plate are in the body and I just wired the LED wires. The switch wires are yet to be done and that's another problem...

 

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Testing - The assembly is done. I filled the cavity with Fujik. The copper tabs coming off the star are a necessity with the reflector I am using. If I don't do that, the reflector base hits the wires, so the copper lets the contacts be low enough to clear.

 

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The problem with the switch is that the "pill" is now in the body, not the head and the switch is in the head, so I cannot wire the switch and then turn the head down or it would rip the wires off. I have to solder them after the head is in place, which means the head is now Nitecore'd. (It's locked down and can't come off).

 

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I used epoxy to keep the magnets from shifting on the batteries.

 

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It's all set and ready to do beam shots tonight. I marked the body with +/- signs, so anyone would know which way the batteries need to go in.

 

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That's all folks!

I will do beam shots tonight, but since I tested in the garage, I can tell it's not going to be a thrower. More like a large spot with lots of spill. Oh well, it is still very bright and somewaht unique.

 

 Beam Shots

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Four basic modes. My eyes do not see that much green, but the camera does. I had it on Daylight white balance, but I normally use auto white balance. I just forgot to set it before the shoot and I'm too lazy to do it all over again.

 

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It's ok, but I was expecting more. I definitely do not care for that reflector with this XM-L2 led. It always has produced a tighter spot with the old XM-L leds. Go figure...

 

I ran the light on high for five minutes straight and it was only just warm to the touch. The whole body was warm, which tells me the heat sink is transferring heat well to the body, as I had hoped.

 

That's it. All done.

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Cool concept. Kinda like the big brother to the Rook. Not to crazy about the NiMh batteries though.

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Sounds quite interesting. Cool concept.

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Just mount the LED sinkpad directly to the driver contact plate and direct drive it.  Who needs room for a driver or a giant heat sink. LOL!  

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with to compensate for the extra reflector depth.  It seriously looks like it goes as deep as the driver contact plate.  No wonder you will need to use shorter cells. Wink

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No need to ask “Why?” Old-Lumens, you do it ‘cos you can!

Keep up the good work Smile

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PyTech wrote:
Cool concept. Kinda like the big brother to the Rook. Not to crazy about the NiMh batteries though.
Well, I am the NiMH guy,Undecided but with so many hobby cells out there, I can use NiMHs that will take 30C draw and that's a lot better than any Li-ions will, which means longer run times. (or it should).

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I suppose 17500s might work, but I was thinking of 4/5A NiMH. Once I measure it all, I will know more about what will fit, but definitely I will need shorter batteries, to have a heat sink and contact board, since the reflector is just about flush with where the stock driver is. Actually, the heat sink/contact board may all have to be in the body, so probably 4/5A or maybe even shorter like 2/3A. I will know more tomorrow.

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but love the creativity..

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I think this is a great project! A fat short thrower! I like it!

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de-domed xpe2 @ 3 amps

me gusta.

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de-domed xpe2 @ 3 amps

me gusta.

actually, when i saw the thread title, I half expected to see a simple mod to 3*de-domed xpe2

then I saw the username Wink

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I'm thinking, from what I see, that the LED, star, Heat sink, Driver and contact plate will have to be inside the body.

If I add all that up

  • LED/Star - 3mm
  • Heat sink - 15mm
  • Driver - 8mm
  • Contact plate - 4mm

So, I am looking at about 30mm. If I go with 65mm as the starting point, then it only leaves me with 35mm room for batteries. That's not a lot of room for batteries and it leaves me with my first thought (2/3A NiMHs). They are only 1600mA, but they are 10C batteries, so they will take high drain. 4 of them would work well for the XM-L2.

 

But..... if I go with a shorter stack up, the obvious thing is to cut back on the heat sink, go with 10mm thickness and make it a tight fit in the body, (no small chore when you think of the clover leaf opening in the body).

  • LED/Star - 3mm
  • Heat sink - 10mm
  • Driver - 8mm
  • Contact plate - 4mm

Gives me 25mm, so it leaves 40mm room for batteries. I can also get 5mm more if I use shorter springs, so that would give me a total of 45mm room. Now, let's look at what choices I have.

RCR123A - 17mm x 34.5mm not much power there 900mA max and that's asking a lot, but with 4 in parallel, it might work.

18350 - 18mm x 37mm at 1200mA  and with 4 in Parallel it gives me plenty of power.

4/5A NiMH - 2000mA and I don't see the High C rating, so I assume not more than 2C. Still, it might be ok.

I am just showing you what I go through when I look for what battery configuration I am going to use on a light and of course I favor NiMHs. I usually use two sources for battery dimensions Wiki and Allbattery.

 

I am really tempted to go with the 2/3A NiMH due to the High C rate, but what do y'all think about it?

 

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2/3 AA sounds good

the more heatsinking the better

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Awesome, I’ve always wanted to see this done!

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Hi OL,
I’m still new and I always have this idea to change my SRK to single emitter.
My suggestion is build another section between head and battery housing.
This to allow more room for your driver.

Great project.

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OL, did you happen to test the reflector for its beam pattern with XML yet?

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OL, did you happen to test the reflector for its beam pattern with XML yet?

If it's this one: http://www.fasttech.com/product/1051800 it's pretty nice. I have one in a XML/3-D Mag.

edit: Oops, overlooked the dimensions in the first post, that's not it.

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Got to admit the black SRK looks nice. With that big reflector it looks expensive. Black and chrome is always a nice combo.

The thing I wonder about is how much better it can be than a standard King. My King throws pretty dang good already but it isn’t a spotlight.

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Do it, that is all.

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Speedsix wrote:
The thing I wonder about is how much better it can be than a standard King. My King throws pretty dang good already but it isn’t a spotlight.

My XinTD C8 V3 seems to throw slightly better than my SRK. It seems to get ~350m vs ~300m. The C8 has a ~40mm reflector (internal diameter), and the SRK has room for more like 48mm. So, I don’t really know what the result will be, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this mod upgrades the throw from 300m to 400m or even 450m. It seems likely to be on par with a HD2010.
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FlashPilot wrote:
OL, did you happen to test the reflector for its beam pattern with XML yet?
I use those reflectors in Maglites. It comes from CNQG. CNQG has one shallow and one deep. I have used them both many times. They will give a decent spot and basically they both throw. It's more the diameter than the depth anyhow. It won't be a super thrower pinpoint spot, but it will be more concentrated than a stock king. Of course, it won't be as bright as a stock king, since it's one led versus 3 leds, but that's not the point anyhow. The point is just to be different, that's all.

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The OP is updated and I have a dilemma, which I have described in the OP.

I also ordered size A NiMHs from all-battery, so I am comitted to doing 4xA sized NiMH in series here.

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Wait... how do you run a single 6v LED off two 105Cs?

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Old-Lumens wrote:

The OP is updated and I have a dilemma, which I have described in the OP.


I also ordered size A NiMHs from all-battery, so I am comitted to doing 4xA sized NiMH in series here.


An MT-G SRK would kick butt as an all-arounder! I don’t know if there are any tricks that will let you use one with AMC7135 drivers, though. You’d also need a boost driver if you’re committed to 4*NiMH, and a pretty BA one at that.
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Sounds even more interesting. Where are you getting your raw mgt2 emitters? Please tell.

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OL my vote is for the MTG2 Smile

i missed out on buying the caveman haha.

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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