What will beat the Fenix RC40?

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A buddy of mine just bought the Fenix RC40. We have a little competition going on and he now has trumped my TK75! Do I now have to jump into the HID’s to best the RC40? I wonder if the FireFoxes FF4 will out throw the RC40. I know the Polarions will do the job….but trying to stay reasonable on cost. Any suggestions? Wink

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Mike Sloan wrote:A buddy of

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A buddy of mine just bought the Fenix RC40. We have a little competition going on and he now has trumped my TK75! Do I now have to jump into the HID’s to best the RC40? I wonder if the FireFoxes FF4 will out throw the RC40. I know the Polarions will do the job….but trying to stay reasonable on cost. Any suggestions? Wink

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Look at the links in the OP. (beamshot links)

It can give you an idea

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/20715

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If you want to stay LED and

If you want to stay LED and want to easily outthrow him, just grab one of the modded TN31’s or K40’s that are getting around. I think there are for sale threads for em on CPF.

Note: forground spill looks pretty bad with these massive throwers, the RC40 will kill it in that respect, but you’ll have close to double the throw.

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Thanks, I will check those

Thanks, I will check those out. Saw some beamshots of the FF3 and FF4. looked like amazing throw with decent spill…..Just not sold on the practicality of HID lights…..but again, were not very practical collecting all these flashlights Wink

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TomE’s super btu shocker.

TomE’s super btu shocker. About 5000lumens and more than 400kcd throw. Beat rc40 in all ways!

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sesgum wrote:TomE’s super btu

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TomE’s super btu shocker. About 5000lumens and more than 400kcd throw. Beat rc40 in all ways!

Ouch… !!

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sesgum wrote:TomE’s super btu

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TomE’s super btu shocker. About 5000lumens and more than 400kcd throw. Beat rc40 in all ways!

If only we could purchase them in that buffed up state!

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sesgum wrote:TomE’s super btu

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TomE’s super btu shocker. About 5000lumens and more than 400kcd throw. Beat rc40 in all ways!

yups! exactly what i had it mind. Tom E modded super shocker would be able to take out the rc40.

the ff4 would do it as well.
theres also the clone of the rc40 (supbeam x60), but i doubt it will beat the original.

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The one thing that I’m

The one thing that I’m curious to find out is if the Vinh modded TK75 will beat or at least equal a stock RC40. The RC40 will probably have the wider flood. But as far as comparing lumen output and throw, it should be interesting. I personally would enjoy having the modded TK75 over the RC40 because of the flexibility. You could go portable or add extensions for longer runtime. I also prefer using widely available 18650 batteries over a proprietary cell. The FF4 will spank the RC40 in throw and lumens (better tint too) but the flood isn’t as wide. If you wish to stick to LED’s, you could get a BTU Shocker as people suggested and send it to Tom E. to amp up and de-dome. He reported that one of his latest de-dome mod had 467k in throw (in the same ballpark as a FF4) and 4100 lumens. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/22689
467k in throw is nuts for a multi-emitter light. I’m rooting for you in your contest. Give us a report on your next challenge.

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Tom E’s Socker doesn’t beat

Tom E’s Socker doesn’t beat RC40, but kill RC40.

I’m saving up now and will duplicate Tom’s mod by myself next month, hopefully. Laughing out loud

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For those wanting to buy a

For those wanting to buy a Shocker to mod, a good source told me RIC could offer the Shocker at a nice discount without emitters and a driver, even at qty 1. Dunno if he'd do it for everyone but it's worth asking...

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Tom E wrote:For those wanting

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For those wanting to buy a Shocker to mod, a good source told me RIC could offer the Shocker at a nice discount without emitters and a driver, even at qty 1. Dunno if he’d do it for everyone but it’s worth asking…

Buy some, mod them and sell them, I’m sold for one

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I am sold on the Shocker mod.

I am sold on the Shocker mod. I think Tom may be a little swamped with all the response to his great work! I will continue to check in with him and will purchase one when he feels the time is right. Maybe I should pay more than the asking price!!!

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Is he de-doming the Shocker?

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He reported that one of his latest de-dome mod had 467k in throw

Is he de-doming the Shocker? I have heard some “modders” report that you dont need to de-dome this multi emitter monster.

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Mike Sloan wrote:Quote:He

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He reported that one of his latest de-dome mod had 467k in throw

Is he de-doming the Shocker? I have heard some “modders” report that you dont need to de-dome this multi emitter monster.

You do if you want that kind of throw.

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Mike Sloan wrote:Quote:He

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He reported that one of his latest de-dome mod had 467k in throw

Is he de-doming the Shocker? I have heard some “modders” report that you dont need to de-dome this multi emitter monster.


Correct you don’t NEED to dedome the BTU to get impressive power.
Generally these are your choices with appx numbers -
Fenix RC40 Stock – 3500 lumens – 126k
BTU XML U2 Stock – 3000 lumens – 130k
BTU XML2 U2 Stock – 3500 lumens – 160k
BTU XML2 U2 on copper – 3800 lumens – 185k
BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s – 4400 lumens – 230k
BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s, dedomed – 4000 lumens – 467k

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rdrfronty wrote:Mike Sloan

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He reported that one of his latest de-dome mod had 467k in throw
Is he de-doming the Shocker? I have heard some "modders" report that you dont need to de-dome this multi emitter monster.
Correct you don't NEED to dedome the BTU to get impressive power. Generally these are your choices with appx numbers - Fenix RC40 Stock - 3500 lumens - 126k BTU XML U2 Stock - 3000 lumens - 130k BTU XML2 U2 Stock - 3500 lumens - 160k BTU XML2 U2 on copper - 3800 lumens - 185k BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R's - 4400 lumens - 230k BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R's, dedomed - 4000 lumens - 467k
Wow that's all the Fenix RC40 is putting out? Well then my J-19 mod smokes it too. Although I'm running it with a DRY driver. I tried the IOS driver that Tom is using and it freezes up on high if left on for very long. The DRY doesn't and with the same size wire I got almost the same reading. Both are direct drive on High. I'm running King Kongs in the J-19. This is the SP03, Stock J-19 and modded J-19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Quote:BTU XML2 U2 on copper,

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BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s – 4400 lumens – 230k
BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s, dedomed – 4000 lumens – 467k

Wow….big difference. When you dedome….does it increase throw at the expense of spill/flood?

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Mike Sloan wrote:Quote:BTU

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BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s – 4400 lumens – 230k
BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s, dedomed – 4000 lumens – 467k

Wow….big difference. When you dedome….does it increase throw at the expense of spill/flood?

Well you loose some flood if everything else remains the same. However as you can see from the pics you still gain flood when you increase the power to the emitters. So with a mod like Tom’s or mine you gain both flood and throw over stock and by de-doming you get a much more neutral tint. It goes from cool white to neutral. So de-doming costs you a few lumens but you gain by doubling the throw and a nicer tint.

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Mike Sloan wrote:Quote:BTU

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BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s – 4400 lumens – 230k
BTU XML2 U2 on copper, IOS driver, 20R’s, dedomed – 4000 lumens – 467k

Wow….big difference. When you dedome….does it increase throw at the expense of spill/flood?


From what I’ve seen when you dedome a light, you still retain the flood coverage. However it is a weaker & less usable flood. The reflector is generally what controls the flood area. The die itself controls the intensity of distribution in each area – flood to spot.
So basically when dedomed, you just move more of the lux into the spot area by remove some lux from the flood area.

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Wait - this is all brand new

Wait - this is all brand new stuff and experimental to some degree. the last Shocker I completed was the de-domed one and I could get 5.7A measured at the switch, but I'm not sure I got that high on the one with domes. So, it's possible with domes to get even higher lumens than 4,400 (I'm thinking), but understand this is all for a couple of minutes only. The 20R's are 2000 mAh so they drain fast at 5.7 amps, and will drop the amps pretty quickly too. Can't compare to the Fenix RC40 with a well regulated driver, 6 cells at 2600 mAh, and probably can maintain high output for pretty long in that 1.5 hours of runtime they quote on turbo.

Where the RC40 falls short of where it could be is 2600 mAh cells -- why not 3400's? and XML U2's and not XM-L2 U2's.

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Very interesting thread. I

Very interesting thread.

I don’t like big fat flashlights but I will have to order this one and modd it with XP-G2 driven at 3A so I can use that for extended periods of time. And if your XM-L2 lux measurements are correct BTU Shocker should go well over 400KCD with them.

So I hope they will offer BTU Shocker host on CQG web shop?

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How are you guys measuring

edited because I answered my own question. My calculation were wrong.

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Tom E wrote:Wait – this is

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Wait – this is all brand new stuff and experimental to some degree. the last Shocker I completed was the de-domed one and I could get 5.7A measured at the switch, but I’m not sure I got that high on the one with domes. So, it’s possible with domes to get even higher lumens than 4,400 (I’m thinking), but understand this is all for a couple of minutes only. The 20R’s are 2000 mAh so they drain fast at 5.7 amps, and will drop the amps pretty quickly too. Can’t compare to the Fenix RC40 with a well regulated driver, 6 cells at 2600 mAh, and probably can maintain high output for pretty long in that 1.5 hours of runtime they quote on turbo.


Where the RC40 falls short of where it could be is 2600 mAh cells — why not 3400’s? and XML U2’s and not XM-L2 U2’s.


Very true. The high amperage direct-drive setup with low mah Samsung cells does have its practical limitations. That combo does make a beastly light though. It’s pretty much along the lines of the 6.5A TN31’s and K40’s. Very fun to play with but not too practical.
Of course one doesn’t have to go with the Samsung & IOS driver to make a BTU very impressive. A BTU with XM-L2’s on Noctigons or Sinkpads on good thermal paste, running on Keeppower 3400mah cells will surpass the RC40 with roughly 10% in lumens and 30% in throw. The BTU will lack some runtime though with its total of 10,200mah capacity vs the RC40’s 15,600mah’s.
I personally don’t see carrying either of these big heavy lights around for over an hour, so the runtime isn’t an issue for me.
I can’t knock the RC40 really. It is a superior light bone stock vs a BTU. No question. It is appx 3 times the price though. And a bone stock BTU will pretty much match the RC40 in performance. A little behind in lumens and a little ahead in throw – basically a tie.

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I’m very intrigued to see

I’m very intrigued to see what this j19 does with feilong cells, I saw a test thread on the cells on cpf that seemed to suggest they still provide over 5000mah at 13a draw, couple that to the considerable reflector that seems similar to a btu shocker and it should provide some answers to the runtime issue if nothing else.

I’m going to have to grab a heat sink or two and make a test bed up, see what these’ll give single cell, then we need a single 32650 light with a good 70mm+ reflector and ar lense.

I hope ric, hank and simon are reading this and putting the feelers out.

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gords1001 wrote:I’m very

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I’m very intrigued to see what this j19 does with feilong cells, I saw a test thread on the cells on cpf that seemed to suggest they still provide over 5000mah at 13a draw, couple that to the considerable reflector that seems similar to a btu shocker and it should provide some answers to the runtime issue if nothing else.

I’m going to have to grab a heat sink or two and make a test bed up, see what these’ll give single cell, then we need a single 32650 light with a good 70mm+ reflector and ar lense.

I hope ric, hank and simon are reading this and putting the feelers out.

It should be interesting and I can’t wait to see what the results will be on those cells. Runtime is pretty good with king kongs as well.

That would make an awesome setup for a thrower.

I see the J-19 is still sitting in Chicago. They must think that I put something nasty in the package. Better check it with a geiger counter when it shows up, they probably x-rayed it 50 times already. I do wonder what the holdup is though. I can’t remember any of the packages I have shipped taking that long to clear customs.

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I really like the way J-19

I really like the way J-19 looks and its form over shocker, I hope you guys do figure a good driver to soup it up with MT-G2s! Smile Dedomed XML2 looks great too, can you measure it yet?

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You’re too modest, Tom. I am

You’re too modest, Tom. I am now seriously lamenting missing the recent $87 Ali promotion deal on the BTU Shocker (Xm-L’s, only, but you’d need to salvage some serious copper to approach Tom’s feat). If you were so inclined I think you’d find it hard to meet demand for your modded Super Shocker. I am now in search for such a light, after a strange encounter last night.

I was walking my dog last night on leash, towards a nearby park, when I heard a metallic rattling noise. As I approached a particular house, I realized that the A-hole that lived there had opened the gate to his fenced-in yard to let his exaggeratedly short-legged, fat, big-headed fake Pitbull attack me and my sweet, rescued (but genuine and gentle) Pitbull.

Fortunately, I had my brightest light, an XinTd C8 V4, in hand to shine in his dogs eyes while yelling “get back” at the same time, all while keeping my dog away so he wouldn’t grab ahold of the dog trying to protect me. Fortunately, I was successful in halting the dog’s attack, but when I shined my light across the young man’s yard, I spotted him standing at the far corner of his house just silently watching the event.

When my light hit him and I kept it there while processing what kind of idiot would let their dog loose to attack someone on a public road, he then shone his (seemingly) brighter flashlight (with a big head, but seemed more a flooder) toward me and said, I got a flashlight, too. It’s at that moment that I wished for a brighter light, so that when I informed him that he was legally responsible in FL for keeping his dog contained, and that if his dog did any damage on a public road, he would be fully liable, it would have had the explanation mark of at least double his lumens driving the point into his alcohol-stupored brain.

When and if he had then still responded (as he ignorantly did) that I shouldn’t be walking my dog after dark (his speech clearly that of a drunk person), causing his dog to bark, I would have then shone my SS Shocker onto the public road (that I was on the opposite side of) and told him that my walking on a public road was both lawful & irrelevant to his legal obligations, which would be heavy if his dog caused any harm on public property.

Apparently, he can’t bear his dog’s incessant barking each time someone passes, so in his drunken state, he blamed an innocent passerby (me), instead. Partly because of my doubts that he’s intelligent enough to explore other alternatives, such as training, shock collar, larynx surgery, keeping the dog inside, etc, I want a light bright enough to see if the gate is open well in advance, and partly because I just enjoy lumens, I am now on a quest to come up with a blindingly super-bright, super thrower light for this particular part of my daily walks.

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Take some pepper spray and

Take some pepper spray and show the dog why not to claim the street as its “territory” next time.

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B42 wrote:I really like the

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I really like the way J-19 looks and its form over shocker, I hope you guys do figure a good driver to soup it up with MT-G2s! Smile Dedomed XML2 looks great too, can you measure it yet?

Not really accurately enough to want to post it. I know it walks all over a stock Shocker and has way more runtime with the 26650’s. I also took out the IO driver and put the DRY driver back in I just re-wired the DRY with heavy wire. I like it much better and they are both direct drive on high anyway. So the J-19 is set up and rocking right now. I also like the four modes on the DRY better than the three modes on the IO driver. I’m giving up for now on the MT-G2 triple. I spent too much on fried drivers already. I have a double MT-G2 and it’s great so for now it will have to do.

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