Heider CFX "750m throw"

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Heider CFX "750m throw"

Happen to see this Heider CFX flashlight.

The special thing with this relatively small flashlight is it can throw 750m as claimed by the manufacturer. 750m can be translated into 140,625 candela.

Is it possible? I don’t know but here are some of its descriptions and my thoughts:
1) XM-L2 (unknown bin) LED, without dedome I safely presume?
2) Only 31mm head diameter!
3) TIR optics. I don’t have experience with TIR optics but I don’t think it is the ideal design for ultimate throw while being efficient?
4) At the price of $89.90 it is not too expensive if I consider it at the same level as Fenix, Nitecore, Olight… etc. But at this price point I also don’t think it has wavien collar to make it throw tremendously better without dedoming the LED.
5) Other assumption can be overdriving the LED real hard… but how hard can it take with only one 18650? Over 6A?

The manufacturer however keep claiming that their 750m is real in their website. To me it is not so possible, at least for today’s technologies, unless they do not measure with the ANSI standard (where the light intensity left 0.25lux) but until, says, 0.1 lux?

What say you?

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750m Tongue Out

I'm betting that beam shot test photo is not 750 meters.

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Runtime on highest mode is 1,5h, it’s definitely not hardly driven. Beamshot is a fake – it definitely comes from a flashlight with classic reflector. They also have “Super Torch”:

http://supertorch.com/en/index.php

Cheap Sipik SK68 copy (worth $5 shipped) that they sell for $50 (with cheapest charger and crappy 14500 cell). And their claims are questionable as well: 5W, 300m range, “1.2V 3000 mA rechargeable battery as an option” (I thought Sanyo’s2700mAh ones have the highest real capacity). Oh, and the beamshot is a fake too.

They are olso pretty arrogant – not only they sell cheap chinese copies with ridiculously high prices but they also claim that:

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Heider Products are unique due to their design and technical specifications and they are all register products

Which is simply a lie!

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Yup.

Those Heider lights are just false advertising.

The beamshot on their website is completely fake. It comes from a different light with a traditional reflector. There was a thread on CPF last year where someone even identified where the beamshot came from. Apparently Heider didn’t even bother to make their own fake beamshot… instead they just stole someone else’s legitimate beamshot.

The light itself is just a Sipik SK68 clone. Nothing special about it. There are many different SK68 clones and all are cheap budget lights, worth around $5.

The styling of the original Sipik 68 itself is a clone of the Nitecore Extreme.

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The computer processors that regulate it’s current (driver) and then don’t forget their free shipping and huge price reduction, yeah I gots to get me ones of thems not!

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so where would i get a real one of these or similar for that price or less? ,, would like one with with the zoom feature where it can flood and zoom

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It kinda looks like a Ultrafire C1 with zoom.

Pretty sure even an LED Lenser could outthrow it.


Anything on eBay under the search 'Cree XM-L zoom 18650' would be of very similar performance.

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Firelight2 wrote:
Yup.

Those Heider lights are just false advertising.

The beamshot on their website is completely fake. It comes from a different light with a traditional reflector. There was a thread on CPF last year where someone even identified where the beamshot came from. Apparently Heider didn’t even bother to make their own fake beamshot… instead they just stole someone else’s legitimate beamshot.

The light itself is just a Sipik SK68 clone. .


3 minutes with google image search* reveals the image they use, without the writing, here:

“supernova-e3-shimano-alfine-dynamo-lighting-system”

Ripoff !

*Neat feature – drag and drop an image from a website into the search box at images.google.com and it’ll find others.

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A NITECORE EC25 is cheaper and brighter.
What a scam.

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I think you can divide the price by 10 and then find the light they printed their name on somewhere for that price just like the sk68 re-branded Heider Wink

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Same with the “750m super torch” beamshot, original picture pic is an TK70! J)

http://www.forolinternas.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4420

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Xeno G5 ? Or most probably a clone of it.

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Amazing how their beam shot looks like like HKJ’s review of the TN30 waaaay back in 2012

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/9910

I wonder if those are HKJ’s pictures or someone elses…

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It has been mentioned before – they stole all beamshot pictures.

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do not buy from metem/HEIDER.Torches are not as they say (1000 meters, 700 metri..bull**it).Shipping isn’t free, there are always customs fees; and if you’re lucky your tax refund customs takes place after 2 months.They are very bad seller.There are torches better than heider and there are sellers better than those liars

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lol* wow that heider seller never gives up trying.

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Heider?? Whoa there…

I’d be VERY wary of buying a flashlight that doesn’t have a FIRE in its name Silly

Seriously though… I see these kind of claims all the time. Especially flashlight brands that I’ve never even heard of.

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What a joke. So sad to see the folks get scammed by people like this.

I had a fellow hunting buddy who showed up oneday to hunt and he was so proud of the his new super powerful light. He was foaming at the mouth to show me. He claimed it was the brightest one he could find. He paid over $100 for a cheap C8 from Ebay. He said it came with everything! And it did. It had a $2 charger, some “fire” batteries, cheap lanyard, and cheap velcro holster, tail cap tape switch, and filters. He was so proud, I didn’t have the heart to tell him he had about $20 worth of gear. So I just acted impressed. lol

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Ricflair wrote:
What a joke. So sad to see the folks get scammed by people like this.

I had a fellow hunting buddy who showed up oneday to hunt and he was so proud of the his new super powerful light. He was foaming at the mouth to show me. He claimed it was the brightest one he could find. He paid over $100 for a cheap C8 from Ebay. He said it came with everything! And it did. It had a $2 charger, some “fire” batteries, cheap lanyard, and cheap velcro holster, tail cap tape switch, and filters. He was so proud, I didn’t have the heart to tell him he had about $20 worth of gear. So I just acted impressed. lol


Sad story, indeed. Sad
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I guess you bought one then Roger?

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My favorite part is this picture of a flashlight lighting up an entire mountain brighter than the sun from miles away.

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I saw your forum before I decided to buy this light. I was wanting to buy one for my son’s birthday and was looking for the best possible light that he could use as a gun-light, camping light, etc. OK, I didn’t believe such a small light could be so powerful but decided I would check for myself anyway, rather than go by the word of people who can’t be bothered to try it personally. I sent for it on a Thursday night. I expected to get an email right away regarding shipping information. But that never came. After two days, I began to get suspicious and thinking I had been “had,” as they say. I was one state away from my son at the time and when I called him to wish him happy birthday, I explained that a gift was hopefully in transit, but I was not really sure at that point because I might have been scammed. The following Tuesday, which was a day after his birthday, he texts me that a package just arrived from Turkey. I answered him: “…well, stand back when you open it, but it may be the item I ordered.” Sure enough, it was the Heider CFX. He said it came fully-charged and looked like a really good light. I asked him to see whether it really was as bright as advertised. That evening, he tested and told me it was damn bright!
Neither of us have the equipment to test the exact distance but can tell you it appears damn close enough! Free Shipping was indeed, just that—total price was price quoted. They apparently shipped it out immediately upon order, for it to have arrived in five days time—they estimate seven days shipping to the US, and tell you so on their website. Only quirk is that the charger is for European outlets. But my son bought a $12.00 charger on Amazon and a pair of #18650 Lithium batteries for $14.00 and it is easy to keep it charged and ready to go so he hasn’t tested just how long it goes on one charge. I have since seen it for myself, and I can tell you the beam will blind you. (Just what you need—along with your Glock—should you confront the boogy-man in your dark hallway around midnight.) The case seems well-made, and so far has surpassed all expectations. I bought a couple of cheaper copies afterward, to compare. They are plenty bright and would normally do me just fine in most any situation. However, I can tell you, there is no comparing those or any other flashlight I have ever owned to this Heider. If you know of a better one for less, by all means, buy it. I will be ordering another of these for myself now.
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Welcome to the forum!

I’m sure it is a bright light, but we still tend to frown on obviously exaggerated claims. Not to mention their only actual beam pictures are stolen from a review of a different light.

Also, be very careful of cheap batteries and chargers. At best they are falsely labeled, at worst they are serious fire hazards.

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Since you actually have the light, could you take some pictures of it and post them? I’d be very interested in seeing actual pictures of the light from a customer.

Also, please take a picture of the front of the light showing the emitter when the light is in flood position. There’s a chance we might be able to identify the exact type of emitter used.

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Suncoaster wrote:
Firelight2 wrote:
Yup.

Those Heider lights are just false advertising.

The beamshot on their website is completely fake. It comes from a different light with a traditional reflector. There was a thread on CPF last year where someone even identified where the beamshot came from. Apparently Heider didn’t even bother to make their own fake beamshot… instead they just stole someone else’s legitimate beamshot.

The light itself is just a Sipik SK68 clone. .


3 minutes with google image search* reveals the image they use, without the writing, here:

“supernova-e3-shimano-alfine-dynamo-lighting-system”

Ripoff !

*Neat feature – drag and drop an image from a website into the search box at images.google.com and it’ll find others.

My understanding is that the original picture copywrite is owned by the person who took the pictures. Perhaps a friendly email to them that they are being used without permission and they should pursue a settlement from Heider for damages would be a good option.

Not a guarantee that Heider would stop the lies, but it’s possible maybe they’d actually show some real beam shots instead of using Google to find the one they think will sell the most lights.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
Welcome to the forum!

Also, be very careful of cheap batteries and chargers. At best they are falsely labeled, at worst they are serious fire hazards.

I can understand your concern. I have had lots of cheap lights in my time and have yet to start a fire with any battery or charger. I will try to be more aware now.

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Firelight2 wrote:
Since you actually have the light, could you take some pictures of it and post them? I’d be very interested in seeing actual pictures of the light from a customer.

Also, please take a picture of the front of the light showing the emitter when the light is in flood position. There’s a chance we might be able to identify the exact type of emitter used.

I don’t have mine yet, but I will borrow my son’s and attempt to take some photos in the next few days. We live in a brightly lit neighborhood but I will do my best to look for a good place nearby and test it.

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cynicsRus wrote:
I don’t have mine yet, but I will borrow my son’s and attempt to take some photos in the next few days. We live in a brightly lit neighborhood but I will do my best to look for a good place nearby and test it.

Sid


Looking forward to it and welcome to BLF. Smile

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