my new favourite small 16340 host, modded

A few weeks ago I heard someone here on BLF (sorry, can't remember who and where) mentioning this small light, for sale for 9 dollars at Fasttech. Although it looks like any of those cheap black tube shaped cr123 lights (which it almost is), I thought it was interesting enough to buy one because in stock from it has a xpgR5 and a AK-47A Nanjg lineair driver, stars set on three modes 5%/30%/100% without disco (making it stock already unsuitable for cr123 primaries by the way).

I found it in the mail the day before yesterday, just as I was highly frustrated because of a 219B triple mod going badly wrong. While still mourning about that one, I thought I could perhaps regain some confidence by modding this one. First a picture of the stock light (it performs well, with enough output for such a small light, on a white wall it has a very nice smooth beam pattern, just the switch feels wacky, something about that later):

I thought I'd do some fancy coloured lighting for this picture, because, well, it looks like any of those little lights, except it has no lettering at all, it is all plain black, with an appealing matt finish. It already gets a bit more interesting if you compare it to two others of these type of lights that I have:

This type of light is small, but this new one is the smallest of them all (on the left is the well-known 602C host from FT). Opened up it has a few nice surprises:

The o-ring before the lens isn't an o-ring, but it is flat, it will not easily pop out, the lens is nice and thick, the aluminium pill leaves enough clearance for a not too messy solder blob (even with the insulating gasket around the led removed), the pill is flat on the top (easy to sand really flat for the mod), is not hollow and has a brass driver holder, the switch is a -for this size of light- unusual beefy Omten switch, with the battery spring directly attached and two contacts on the side that press-fit directly to the inside of the body.

The only thing they messed up with this light is that there should be a metal ring between the switch and the boot cap, it is not there and that makes the light not water tight and makes the switching feel really squishy. The first mod was to put a M8 ring (sorry, we use metric over here ) with the right outside diameter in place and that solved the whole problem: nice firm switch now.

There was a type of thermal paste under the led board that I have not seen before; metallic brass/copper coloured stuff:

The driver showed a few surprises: it is a ak-47, but with one 7135 chip less, and the two that are there are 380mA chips (). So this light is driven at a conservative but useful 760 mA through the led. On a 550mAh 16340 battery that should be good for about 45 minutes runtime on high.

The mod:

A 219B triple disaster left me with two accidentally dedomed leds, the left one had the dome split open just above the die, only a little corner of the die was removed, and the led still worked, I thought it was a good candidate to mod the little 16340 light with:

I reflowed it on a 16mm Noctigon board, but I thought the board was a bit too thick to fit in this light so I sanded it thinner first, using a unused pill I had lying around as a sanding device (I have wounded my fingers the last time I sanded a led board thinner without a device to keep my fingers away from the sanding paper):

I wanted a 8-chip lineair driver, so the stock ak-47 with room for 3 chips would not do, I went for a Nanjg 101-ak, disco-free (two legs of the tiny13A soldered together), and 4 extra chips stacked. (this little light has no space for chips on the battery side of the driver, so a Nanjg 105C was not suitable)

So that is 4x 350mA + 4x 380mA = 2920mA worth of chips, I will probably not reach that current with a 16340 battery, but it should squeeze plenty of light out of the Nichia :-)

The pill assembly, the pill and led-board were sanded really flat with 800 grit sandingpaper, with a tiny bit of Arctic Silver 5 in between. There will be no plastic spacer between led and reflector, I found that when a led is dedomed a flashlight focusses best with the led sticking just a bit deeper in the reflector:

The switch spring was reinforced with some copper wire, the spring came clamped to the switch lead, on one side I soldered them together (not visible in this picture):

I have no image of the extra ring between the switch and the boot cap, take my word that it is just a common M8 ring.

Done:

White wall beam shot at two meters (because it is expected, but a white wall beamshot does not say much, a camera stands no chance of capturing the intensity range that is in a flashlight beam), you can see the hint of blue in the beam (top right of the hotspot). And a shot at my test-tree at 25 meters (that is not bad, it lights up nice, but in reality it looks a bit weaker than on this picture) :

I measured 2.5A with a freshly charged Efest 550mAh 16340 battery, and at least in the first two minutes a steady 320 lumens OTF, which is a bit lower than I expected. Because of the small led die, the throw is pretty ok for the reflector size: 6klux at 1 meter. The tint of this led is marvellous :-) , a colour temp of about 4000K with very good colour representation. There's a faint bit of blue on one side just outside the hotspot because of the phosfor damage of the led, it gives a personal touch to the beam ;-) . I may be tempted to put a higher output led in it sometime, but it is nice for now.

The mod helped me feeling better after the triple 219B disaster, I hope you liked reading about it :-)

Very nice. I really like that you took the time to post the pictures it really does a great job of showing off your work.

Great mod and I love those Nichea’s. I hope mine get here soon. Speaking of which, I’m going to check and see if they have been shipped yet.

Thanks for the nice post and congrats. I bet you end up using this all the time.

Looks very nice djozz, thanks for the writeup! I always find the modding threads interesting.

A possibly very dumb question, but what is the M8 ring you are referring to? Like an O-ring but metal? Can these be bought readily?

Also, I think I can see that the reflector has a small diameter "bump" on the bottom. I'm just wondering if by removing the plastic spacer, you run any risk of the bottom of the reflector shorting out on the soldered emitter leads? Or did you insulate them some other way?

In your opinion, would a protected 16340 fit? You mentioned the light was too small to fit chips to the battery side of the driver. I have an Olight S10 that won't take my Keepower cells unless I leave the tailcap slightly unscrewed and thus compromise the waterproofing. I don't use primaries.

Finally, was the original thermal compound easy to remove or was it more like a glue?

Sorry for all the inquiries but I'm thinking I might try something similar with a regular Nichia 219. I don't think my soldering skills are quite up to stacking chips but the original driver may be OK for me.

Cheers

Thanks guys, I made it into a habit to take clear pictures at times during modding (as quite a few other modders here at BLF do as well, I appreciate good pictures very much). The light has (at least for now) replaced my Eagletac D25C clicky as my EDC :-)

answers to your questions :-) :

-the M8 ring is an ordinary metal ring from my spare metal box, as used together with an M8 bolt and nut.

-I did not need to insulate the soldered leads, I just made it nice and flat solder blobs

-a Nitecore NL166 protected 16340 fits in the light, before and after the mod

-the original thermal compound was readily wiped away.

-if you use the original driver you could add the missing 7135 chip for 1140mA output, that would be a very nice upgrade.

I'm still waiting for my Ultrafire 602C to come in :( (should compliment my Convoy S5 nicely :D)

Very good mod

I have a small tube of GEIL copper colored heat sink grease that I believe came with a CPU heat sink I purchased years ago. It looks just like the stuff in your pictures.
The label on my tube says-
Thermal Conductivity >7.5w/m-k
Thermal Resistance >0.06c/in/W
5% silver, 5% copper.

Ah, thanks heaps.

We call the metal rings "washers" here.... DOH!

I think I have a project planned..........

Very nice. That emitter fits perfectly in the reflector.

I dig it. Very nice! This may convince me to pick one up for my first 16340 light. I've modded a few for others but down own one yet!

I like it!

Too bad about the failure. Seems like there was a happy ending though. Great job! :)

Nice mod djozz. Hopefully I'll have some Nichias soon so I will find out what all the hype is about. Looks like it may have restored a little confidence.

Any good alternative sources for this host, or similar?

Nice mod! DId you need to sand the board thinner? ANy other sources for this light (sold out)? Any clip options or other colours?

Nice looking Mod—These do make great EDC lights especially for in your pocket—I have played around with the 602c and found that a P60 pill works great (just have to reduce the shoulder slightly so it threads in) a good alternative to the stock aluminum— Fooling around one day —added 1-16mm sink pad and four older pennies (copper) to a P60 pill—sanded diameter to 18mm— made for a nice little triple setup!
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Yup, I am making some “thread necromancy” but, did anyone ever used this: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10000507/1052100-spiderfire-c-010-1-mode-130lm-led-flashlight-w ?

It is a bit smaller than djozz’s light, it also seems to be “older” in terms of product listing, but I wanted to check it!

Sorry for bringing back a sleepy thread :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks Djozz. I enjoyed the light show very much. This is the only light which I prefer it to be in its OFF state!

^ LOL, thanks Robert for the proper gif to go with the disco-tail.

I have modded a few of those Spiderfire lights too (in 2013!, link), slightly bigger than the light of the OP but smaller than the 602H. And I love the logo!
I’m actually surprised that they are for sale again at FT, I thought they were sold out. I gave my modded Spiderfires away, I may get one again for a new mod :slight_smile: