SupFire M6 by Mountain Electronics, RMM's #1

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The warrior does not qualify as a soup can - it's too purty for that classification (in case you are not aware, I'm the official classifier... Laughing), and all those blue buttons and lights? way too much classiness goin on there.

I got 2 M6's now and one FandyFire SRK, and head width are the same, so reflector width is the same too I believe. The M6's height is mostly from the tailcap bump, but it's head does extend a little lower. It's way too close to an SRK to be classified differently. Internally - yes, superior in several aspects.

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I do think Richard is gonna be overwhelmed for the modded M6 requests. Basically at these prices, he's selling parts and doin all the labor and testing for free. Awesome light and deal....

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I was just looking at the M6 driver and am intrigued. It’s got 3 mosfets, one for each channel/emitter, and essentially an ATiny13 or what appears to be so…the top is scratched clean of writing.
There are 4 bays for resistors in each channel, with 3 having R056 resistors in place. Looks like it’d be pretty easy to bump it significantly without changing the driver, which is indeed what I did to the one I modded before and it’s pretty much a beast as I recall, with a start value around 4000 lumens. (need to get verification on that)

So could the mcu simply be swapped out with an ATiny13A that’s been flashed for use with FET’s to get a more desirable UI?

Could the existing mcu simply be flashed with our newer Star firmware?

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I was just looking at the M6 driver and am intrigued. It’s got 3 mosfets, one for each channel/emitter, and essentially an ATiny13 or what appears to be so…the top is scratched clean of writing.
There are 4 bays for resistors in each channel, with 3 having R056 resistors in place. Looks like it’d be pretty easy to bump it significantly without changing the driver, which is indeed what I did to the one I modded before and it’s pretty much a beast as I recall, with a start value around 4000 lumens. (need to get verification on that)

So could the mcu simply be swapped out with an ATiny13A that’s been flashed for use with FET’s to get a more desirable UI?

Could the existing mcu simply be flashed with our newer Star firmware?

No, you can’t flash the stock MCU with Star FW and it has a different pinout so you can’t just swap it with an attiny.
You could disconnect the stock µC and connect a star FW flashed 105c to the Driver to control it.
Werner has done it and there are some pics in the M6 resistor mod thread.

btw.: I like the driver concept of the M6 as well. Actually I think it’s way better than driving multiple LEDs in parallel like most of the FET drivers do.
I will make a 105c based design with with 7136 instead of 7135, as soon as I have some time…

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Sounds like a nice modded light. I don't care for the M6. It's way too forward heavy and feels awkward in my hand, as it constantly wants to go head down and you have to hold it more forward than the SRK. I still like the SRK best, but RMM does some nice mods.

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Maybe I should leave this one alone…

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DBCstm wrote:
Maybe I should leave this one alone...

Don't kid yourself. Foot in Mouth

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I was referring to OL in his old age having trouble keeping the head up, needing both hands or whatever…

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RMM wrote:

DBCstm wrote:
Maybe I should leave this one alone…

Don’t kid yourself. Foot in Mouth

Nice RMM.. you just hit 1000 posts!!!! Time for a giveaway!! Party

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Nice RMM.. you just hit 1000 posts!!!! Time for a giveaway!! :party:[/quote]

Dang it, I think you're right!  Cool  I'll see what I can rummage up!  I didn't even think that I was close to 1000 yet!

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Gratz to the 1000!

 

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RMM wrote:
  I’ll see what I can rummage up!  I didn’t even think that I was close to 1000 yet

Way ahead of me and we joined 1 day apart. Congrats.

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congratz Richard on your 1000 posts, hmm.. maybe one of those famous FET drivers for giveaway should do just fine Wink

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Does this have bigger wow / omg factor to nonflashaholics than the btu shocker?

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Does this have bigger wow / omg factor to nonflashaholics than the btu shocker?

In my opinion, it depends on what wows you.  The BTU is much larger which in of itself is impressive.  The BTU Shocker has better down-range power, but for anything 100 feet or less, the M6/SRK is pretty awesome.  Of course, a "Super" Shocker (modded BTU Shocker) is the best of both worlds, as long as you can stomach the price and size.  

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Anybody knkw of any beam shots comparing this with the btu and or the super btu?

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Anybody knkw of any beam shots comparing this with the btu and or the super btu?

There are shots with SRK, btu, and modded btu (in one of the big beam comparison shoots). What you are looking for should be similar, but the modded M6 will be far brighter than the SRK.

None specifically what you are looking for though afaik.

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I just got a SupFire M6 and an L1 from China and have two modded M6s on order from Richard, a Option 1 and a cool white Option 2. IMO you can feel the better thermal transfer in the M6 than the SRK as the head warms up much quicker in the M6. To me that shows better thermal transfer away from the emitters as outputs appear to be similar with the M6 just a bit greater than the SRK as best I can judge.

If you think that the M6 is front heavy then stay away from the SupFire L1. With it’s 5 emitter larger diameter head and the handle location it has poor balance compared to my BS Terminator. Also the grip part of the handle is too short for large hands. The battery compartments are interchangeable between the M6 and L1. The L1 battery compartment on the M6 improves grip due to the larger OD of the tail cap. Tail caps are interchangeable too so easy to get a custom look.

Looking forward to receiving the lights from Richard as I want the better user interface as well as the increased outputs.

As STOCK lights I rate the Black Shadow Terminator #1 with the SupFire M6 #2 and the L1 #3. The SRK is a distant #4.

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heggood wrote:
Does this have bigger wow / omg factor to nonflashaholics than the btu shocker?

 

The unwashed generally are more impressed by throwers.  If your goal is to impress those people, you should go with Richards BTU Shocker with FET driver and dedomed emitters.  You'll probably get more use out of the M6 though.  Better yet, get both and have yourself a super flooder and super thrower.

The low mode should be lower.

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The unwashed masses buy those plastic $3 lights from Walmart and stuff alkaline batteries in them. Any light over 50 lumens impresses them, especially when they have a few drinks beforehand.

I think there's no stock light that impresses any more. It's all about modded lights and Richard mods some good ones. So do other members here and even if a person doesn't want to mod, there's many members here who can mod a light for them.

But I still like the original SRK or the fandyfire clone. Both have the shelf built in the head and the 3 toroid driver, which is an easy mod to do. I have been talking to Supfire, but I gave up on them, because they just don't want to work with pricing or shipping, even for group buys. Their lights are good, but not that good, to warrant the price difference over comparative models from other Mfgs.

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Went camping a few weeks back... the lights I had on me were all over 5000 lumens (except the throwers), but to be honest I don't think I saw anything that was over even 1k.  For under $100 I'll second the modded supfire m6.

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Infinitas;

Unfortunately for many budget lights Chinese Lumens seem to be at least as overstated as no name and JunkFire Chinese 18650 and 14500 battery capacities. There are flashlights on Amazon I have seen that claim 18000 Lumens from 15 LEDs in a head that could no more dissipate the heat of that claimed output unless it was water cooled. Also probably need 30 Amp rated discharge batteries to get there. When my two M6 lights arrive from Richard I have a Fenix TK75, the 2900 Lumens version, and a RC40 with 3500 Lumens out to compare them against and I have ordered recommended batteries for them from Richard. Many people seem to forget that even the best 18650 high output flashlight can be sharply limited in both output and run time if fed with garbage batteries.

Things are gradually improving as far as many Lumens claims are concerned I believe. The Stanley LEDLIS 10 watt spotlight used to claim 2000 Lumens and now claims about 750 ANSI OTF lumens IIRC. Even some of the Chinese sellers have toned down their claims after reading actual test results of their lights performed by members here and on CPF where they were basically called liars. :exmark: IMO we need more of that.

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I understand and know exactly what you're saying.  Should have a been more clear Silly

I was at a camping event with about 1400 people, lots of campsites, a lot of walking from campfire to campfire.  While I can't claim to be able to tell how bright a light is by itself, I do play with my own lights a lot (everything from .01 to ~7500 lumens) and can say with reasonable (not perfect) accuracy how bright a light is, if I have one of my own to compare against.  Most people were using regular store junk lights that were below even 100 lumens.  A few were using cheaper xml sipiks, and other ****fire lights.  Really no one was using anything that would compare to even a 2000 lumen SRK.

The situations with batteries is even worse than with lumens, so one of the things I did do was point people to rmm, and is for better panasonic batteries.

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Per my measurement the front of the M6 is close enough to 60mm that the Nitecore 60mm nominal filters and diffuser should fit, possibly with minor modification such as tape on the front of the light. I have ordered the diffuser and the red filter from an Amazon seller and will report back once I receive them. Nitecore also lists green and blue fiters.

The 60mm Nitecore filters and diffuser fit the M6 and SRK great and the red filter on the RMM modified M6 is great for night use at the lowest light output settings for preserving night vision while still using a flashlight for seeing more detail while dealing with telescope controls or other mechanical devices at night and reading star charts for amateur astronomers. IMO useful accessories for owners.

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I am still waiting for them to come back in stock. Still kicking myself that I didn’t get on a few weeks back.

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I am waiting to order another too with the latest user interface firmware change seeing as how the change was largely based on my suggestion! Being able to turn the light off directly from any of the seven output levels should be a major convenience, at least to me.

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Does the Supfire M6 have parasitic switch drain like the SRK? If it does, I wonder how long it takes to drain a fully charged set of the recommended batteries.

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It's an electronic switch, so there will be some parasitic drain as the driver waits for input from the switch. Slightly unscrew the battery tube to lock out the light and eliminate parasitic drain.

The low mode should be lower.

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Ironwood wrote:
Does the Supfire M6 have parasitic switch drain like the SRK? If it does, I wonder how long it takes to drain a fully charged set of the recommended batteries.

Cant be specific on this light, but it was worked out that most of these things will take months to deplete a single 18650.
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Has any one done a lumens reading and current draws for all seven modes of a fully modified RMM M6? As I recall I saw one post listing the minimum mode as about 1/6 Lumen and max as 4500+ Lumens but I am curious about the intermediate levels.

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