Using mini-C8's as a host for a 5mm UV led to check bills.

My wife and I had a need for some UV lights a few weeks ago (we had a booth at a gun show and needed to check money) so I picked up a batch of 5mm diodes and wired them up without a body to get the job done. Now I’ve discovered those little AAA C8-mini’s that come with a 5mm LED so I ordered 3 of them from DX for $12. I’m wondering about how much UV they’ll put out once converted to 5mm UV. Will a single 5mm diode on a single NiMH AAA work well for checking bills or will I need to use a driver (can you even drive 5mm’s) or get a more powerful UV LED?

For safety’s sake I’d rather not use a 10440 incase one or more walks off at the next show but would a 10440 make a big increase in light output? I’ve not tried one of them at 3.7v, is it to much?

One other question, would it be better to use a few emitters in each light without the reflector or use one diode in the reflector?

I ordered 4 of em from FT, going to mod them, currently the “pill” is just a plastic block with what looks like a joule thief type circuit in it

approx 16mm~ driver diameter

Outside diameter of the pill.driver is 17mm~

The reflector is held in by the front glass that is popped into a grove in the head, it is approx 20-21mm diameter

More measurements here

I have two of these TIR optics coming in to see if I can put that in, then maybe use a snap ring to hold it in
https://www.fasttech.com/p/1187501

You can drive 5mm LEDs, they don’t need so many 7135 regulators though, so I’d desolder the excess and leave one. You will need a driver to product the higher voltage anyway for 5mm UV. I don’t think a single NiMH will be enough voltage to direct drive.

I am able to run them off button cell batteries, does that mean I’ll have to run a 10440? Will a 105c work at 1.2v, even just at 380mA? I have no idea the brand of these 5mm UV’s I got, any guesses of the forward voltage/drive current?

The ones I have are 3V (3.6V max), current is very low ~20mA. So the Nanjg 105c would suit a parallel setup (I have one driving 40x 5mm white leds, powered by 1x 14500). Lowest voltage of 105c is 3V; any lower and the driver will make the LEDs flash with low-voltage warning.

How did you take off the front glass?

There are two models 20mm 15-Degree and 15-Degree which is better?

I want to put in my mini C8 an XM-L from the my UF-20, will I have to change the driver too?

105c is a linear regulator…so it uses a 10440 4.2vdc battery, regulates it down. To use a 1.5vdc battery you need a boost driver, the driver in the mini C8 is just under 17mm, they do sell 17mm drivers. I have 5 Nanjg 110 which is a booster circuit

Actually people have taken single 7135 chips and make a 1 mode (off/on clicky) it’s not a pretty setup, but inside the plastic pill you won’t see it

Just found this searching google for the ganged/stacked 7135 build someone did (not sure if comfy or rufus did it) but this is a 16.8mm linear regulator board single mode (think of it as a dumb driver that just holds the chips)
http://www.dx.com/p/6v-5w-cree-circuit-board-for-flashlights-16-8mm-3-1mm-26109

Iirc the front lens is plastic. It was suggested to place a dab of hot glue on the center and give it a pull. Or just smash that sucker out since you won’t need it with the TIR.

Did you mean the 15 and the 30 degree? The 15 will have a more concentrated hotspot and throw more than the 30 degree. I usually prefer a bit more throw so I went with 15 or I may have gotten 10’s from somewhere for my mini’s. Edit: yep I went with https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10007055/1574902-21-2-12-6mm-pmma-optical-lens-for-cree-xm-l-t5-t6 the plastic holders need to be sanded down a bit.

You can also put the head on its ‘face’ and hit the pill from behind, it will pop out undamaged.

This works without damaging anything.

Nice, much easier solution!

I have this one from tomtop (ebay seller), $2.37 shipped, a bit different design:

I gave it to my son, no mods needed: cool white tint is pretty ok, and the throw is really good for its size. I measured 15 lumens output on an alkaline (exact what I wanted for my son). The circuitry is very basic too, they even skipped the inductor and the cap, just a resistor and a little component marked CX2601, that apparantly does the voltage boost (I'm an electronics noob):

I pressed the lens out as well, but now that I reassembled the light it unwantedly pops out more easily when screwing on the head (that does not have a 'stop'). But the 'golden' ring is screwed on the same threading as well, so you can use that to fix the head in the right position so that it does not pop out the lens anymore (I am sure no-one understands what I am trying to explain here but never mind :-) ). It looks a bit different from the mini-C8, that's all.

Actually that looks like a resistor type inductor 100uH

Found a comparable type IC
datashee
http://www.ledsales.com.au/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131_132&products_id=384

Found the equivalent at digikey
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ZXSC380FHTA/ZXSC380FHCT-ND/1767192
100 uH inductor
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/77F101J-TR-RC/77F101J-TR-RCCT-ND/3193330

Google translate of a test of the chip

Pretty cool on the size you can make one with an above type inductor

Actually that would be an axial inductor instead of a resistor. That color is more common for inductors then resistors.

~ edit ~ Too slow :weary:

I got them both.
Rather disappointing light output i.m.o.
Waiting to be modded. :wink:

Right, so the plastic lens doesn’t stay in that well the 2nd time you put it in…
Hmm…
Hadn’t tried that yet…

PS: the other one is a mini MRV

Back to OP, is this modding for modding’s sake or to get functionality (check dollar)?

If for second purpose only, I don’t see why go through all this trouble. Those 5mm UVs are readily available in 3xAAA format with long runtime, nothing else to worry except pop the AAA primaries in.

These work great for the purpose:
http://www.buyincoins.com/item/35755.html

I think there still is a point in the OP, those uv-leds come either in 3xbutton cell lights, or 3xAAA, while the 1xAAA form would be my favorite. Not sure if the 'thrower' reflector has any advantage here, but the price of this light is good and it looks fun.

I saw a 5mm LED pen light on DX recently and thought of this thread. With some modification it could be a discreet way to check notes.

I think flood is better for this task though, than having to examine a note with a directional emitter.

A thought:

The plastic lenses of them tiny AAA flashlights might reduce UV output…

Oh yes they will, good point, I made a small zoomie light with a 365nm Ledengin Z1 led and the stock PMMA aspheric lens of the host was unusable, I had to order a glass lens for it.