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My smallest cheapest thrower.

I picked up four of these off of evil bay for $3 each. Supposed to be a 14500 Q5 with a side switch. I got the first one in today and as I had finished all my mods for other people I decided today I would do something silly and just for the fun of it. This is the light.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I'm expecting the typical XR-E Q5 that is in all the cheap lights, but instead it has an XP-E. The driver is a three mode. High Low Blinky off and you must cycle through them. It is also one of the goofy charger ones. The sense resistor was right there begging to be bypassed so I did that as well as put heavier wires on and did a spring mod while I was at it. 

 

The pill was hollow, not a big surprise. So what I did was de-domed and reflowed the XP-E  onto a sinkpad and filed it down so it fit into the pill really snug. I then put my new thermal paste on it (Omegathermal 201) and and put it all back together. I popped in a e-fest IMR 14500 fully thinking that the emitter would last all of two seconds. To my surprise it didn't go poof. It's still a very cool white but not blue tint anymore because of the de-dome. I'm getting right at 300 lumens although I would swear it's a whole lot more. Also it's 25kcd and again I would swear it's a whole lot more. The reflector is just a cheap plastic one, but it's deep for the size of the light.  It's easily throwing as far as a good C8. I does get hot fast on high so the thermal transfer must be pretty good.

 

So anyway with the sinkpad, copper mesh and solder I'm right at a whole whopping $5 for this little thrower with a side switch! Easily my best $5 light. 

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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Never seen that model.
Got a link?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/310941420929?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3...

Only found them from this one guy and he doesn’t have any more listed. They were auctions and I bid on a bunch of them but only won four. My max bid was four bucks and I got outbid on the others. I pretty much just bought them as a host but I was nicely surprised by the one I got anyway.

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these are cool lights. I have the same light only in SmallSun version and a Black finish. The one i have though came with its own USB cable and charging port opposite of the side switch, and also has a XP-E emitter.

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Mjêh, can’t find ‘em under $9.— shipped here..
You had a good deal there.

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pretty decent little light to mod, looks like its going to be hard to find there are a plenty of lights named mini cree q5 led torch flashlight. :bigsmile:

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DenBarrettSAR wrote:
these are cool lights. I have the same light only in SmallSun version and a Black finish. The one i have though came with its own USB cable and charging port opposite of the side switch, and also has a XP-E emitter.

This also has the charging port but it didn’t come with the cable. They look like a Xeno clone. It’s hard to believe how tiny that XP-E is when it’s de-domed.

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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Jerommel wrote:
Mjêh, can’t find ‘em under $9.— shipped here.. You had a good deal there.

Probably why he stopped auctioning them off.

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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18sixfifty wrote:
DenBarrettSAR wrote:
these are cool lights. I have the same light only in SmallSun version and a Black finish. The one i have though came with its own USB cable and charging port opposite of the side switch, and also has a XP-E emitter.

This also has the charging port but it didn’t come with the cable. They look like a Xeno clone. It’s hard to believe how tiny that XP-E is when it’s de-domed.


Let me guess direct link to the battery? 3.5mm spade plug? Would need one of those TP4056 charge modules NOT to blow your battery out the back of the thing Silly

Got any pics of the internals…what is the diameter of the driver? (would an OSHPark DD work in it?)

Really digging how small it is…

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WarHawk-AVG wrote:
18sixfifty wrote:
DenBarrettSAR wrote:
these are cool lights. I have the same light only in SmallSun version and a Black finish. The one i have though came with its own USB cable and charging port opposite of the side switch, and also has a XP-E emitter.

This also has the charging port but it didn’t come with the cable. They look like a Xeno clone. It’s hard to believe how tiny that XP-E is when it’s de-domed.


Let me guess direct link to the battery? 3.5mm spade plug? Would need one of those TP4056 charge modules NOT to blow your battery out the back of the thing Silly

Got any pics of the internals…what is the diameter of the driver? (would an OSHPark DD work in it?)

Really digging how small it is…

Yep not a charger I would use for sure.

It’s a pretty good sized driver actually probably about 18mm. There is some extra room considering it needs the space for the charger.

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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18sixfifty wrote:
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18sixfifty wrote:
DenBarrettSAR wrote:
these are cool lights. I have the same light only in SmallSun version and a Black finish. The one i have though came with its own USB cable and charging port opposite of the side switch, and also has a XP-E emitter.

This also has the charging port but it didn’t come with the cable. They look like a Xeno clone. It’s hard to believe how tiny that XP-E is when it’s de-domed.


Let me guess direct link to the battery? 3.5mm spade plug? Would need one of those TP4056 charge modules NOT to blow your battery out the back of the thing Silly

Got any pics of the internals…what is the diameter of the driver? (would an OSHPark DD work in it?)

Really digging how small it is…

Yep not a charger I would use for sure.

It’s a pretty good sized driver actually probably about 18mm. There is some extra room considering it needs the space for the charger.


It has an internal charger (circuitry and all)? Or inside the clicky module does the + terminal have a L shaped peice of metal going right to the + battery spring

This was the click module inside the (alot bigger) Ultrafire 535 I got a while back

note top left the L shaped piece of metal attached to the + pin of charging port, goes right to the + hat looking thing that is connected right to the battery (sorry for my craptastic pics)

And dangit on 18mm…uggh…why can’t they stick with normal size drivers so we can slap in some OSHPark customs Big Smile

Would like some pics of the internals if you feel up to it

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WarHawk-AVG wrote:
18sixfifty wrote:
WarHawk-AVG wrote:
18sixfifty wrote:
DenBarrettSAR wrote:
these are cool lights. I have the same light only in SmallSun version and a Black finish. The one i have though came with its own USB cable and charging port opposite of the side switch, and also has a XP-E emitter.

This also has the charging port but it didn’t come with the cable. They look like a Xeno clone. It’s hard to believe how tiny that XP-E is when it’s de-domed.


Let me guess direct link to the battery? 3.5mm spade plug? Would need one of those TP4056 charge modules NOT to blow your battery out the back of the thing Silly

Got any pics of the internals…what is the diameter of the driver? (would an OSHPark DD work in it?)

Really digging how small it is…

Yep not a charger I would use for sure.

It’s a pretty good sized driver actually probably about 18mm. There is some extra room considering it needs the space for the charger.


It has an internal charger (circuitry and all)? Or inside the clicky module does the + terminal have a L shaped peice of metal going right to the + battery spring

This was the click module inside the (alot bigger) Ultrafire 535 I got a while back

note top left the L shaped piece of metal attached to the + pin of charging port, goes right to the + hat looking thing that is connected right to the battery (sorry for my craptastic pics)

And dangit on 18mm…uggh…why can’t they stick with normal size drivers so we can slap in some OSHPark customs Big Smile

Would like some pics of the internals if you feel up to it

i have never used the 3.5mm / USB charger yet. I should take it apart to see if it is direct-to battery connected.

That Canadian flashlight guy & Lantern Guru -Den / DBSARlight

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It’s not set up like that one. I have seen that one before as well. On this one the driver has the plug on one side and the switch on the other. It’s a little clicky switch right on the driver itself.

When I get the next batch in I’ll take some pics for you. I don’t feel like ripping this one apart.

It’s really not bad that it’s 18mm that is plenty easy to build up from a smaller driver. What is the killer is when you have a small driver like the SK68 not much you can do with that. But it’s easy to make a small driver bigger. Just make a ring out of copper and solder it around the small driver to make it bigger.

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Ah ok…kinda like the SolarStorm drivers/pill, the clicky is mounted 90 degrees on the board

True on the 17mm to 18mm…

Well..unless you have Eagle masters like Mattaus and others that can take a 17mm board and make it 15mm Big Smile

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Ah ok…kinda like the SolarStorm drivers/pill, the clicky is mounted 90 degrees on the board

True on the 17mm to 18mm…

Well..unless you have Eagle masters like Mattaus and others that can take a 17mm board and make it 15mm Big Smile

Yep just like that, 90 degrees and right on the board. Not a bad design for what it is.

I have shaved down many a driver as well, it’s just that you can’t go too far with it.

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Very nice mod, I like those small throwers a lot and they make the perfect EDC for me.

But hey, you should have asked for permission, you're moving into my exclusive territory Wink (small cheap hotrod throwers):

 

16klux at 1 meter: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23193

 

39 klux at 1 meter:  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24785

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They are here:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-MIN-CREE-Q5-350LM-LED-torch-led-lamp-flashlight-3-mode-1×-14500-AA-battery/1732140502.html
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djozz wrote:

Very nice mod, I like those small throwers a lot and they make the perfect EDC for me.

But hey, you should have asked for permission, you’re moving into my exclusive territory Wink (small cheap hotrod throwers):

 

16klux at 1 meter: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23193

 

39 klux at 1 meter:  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24785

oooooh! I have the cheaper versions of your SpiderFire 16340 Ultrafire 602C running XP-G at 1400mA…Thru some 10degree TIR’s

Quite surprised at the light it throws! Big Smile

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djozz wrote:

and at dx since today, for $5.66, also in black:

http://www.dx.com/p/zhishunjia-mini-cree-xp-e-r2-6500k-200lm-3-mode-whit...

That’s not bad at all.

Also cool mods, above. (Stay off my lawn)lol

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I picked up one of these because of the side switch, and I intended it as a gift to be used with an alkaline AA. The one I got does not work with an alkaline AA, only 14500 lithium, and I let the seller know (which he didn’t). He then changed the listing. So as far as I know, 14500 only for the moment.
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The Small Sun model is ZY-R802
Here is review from the
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/25791

Highlights from review;
There is 120Hz PWM on low mode. This is easily noticeable and may bother PWM-sensitive users.
The initial light output on High was 191lm and ANSI-readings (OTF, after 30s) were:
- 150lm on High
- 35lm on Low
Measured throw was 5kcd / 140m

Amazing that 18650 was able to pull out 300 lumens and 25kcd with just a few mods.
I have the gold model from Yupard aff of aliexpress and was afraid to diesect it, now I know what to expect and will probably try.
I like the light stock and wish I had bought more than 1.
Thanks!
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now thats awesome. never thought of owning a super small pocket thrower. might be a bit fun to have ….more like a toy. the hotspot must be real small huh?

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blueb8llz wrote:
now thats awesome. never thought of owning a super small pocket thrower. might be a bit fun to have ….more like a toy. the hotspot must be real small huh?

It’s not a small of a hotspot as you would think just because the reflector is so small but it is very focused, still it has a lot of spill as well. I’m kinda blown away by how much light this thing puts out for only being 300 lumens. shocked would be more like it.

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That’s cool.

I have one of the Mini Cree’s from Amazon that is $3 and change. It has a zoom in and out head on it. Its pretty darn good as a cheapo light to have in your drawer or glovebox.

I’d like to have one of these little nuclear powered throwers like this….how do I get one if I can’t mod them?

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Nalajr wrote:
That’s cool.

I have one of the Mini Cree’s from Amazon that is $3 and change. It has a zoom in and out head on it. Its pretty darn good as a cheapo light to have in your drawer or glovebox.

I’d like to have one of these little nuclear powered throwers like this….how do I get one if I can’t mod them?

Nalajr


Build it yourself

A. UF-602C Host for XM-L/XR-E
B. 10 degree TIR
C. XM-L Reflector to XP-G Reflector Converter Adapters
D. Cree XP-G R5-1A 345LM 6700K White LED Emitter with 16mm Base or Cree XP-G2 R5-1A 458LM 6500-7000K LED Emitter
E. 4* AMC7135 2-Group 3/5 Modes LED Flashlight Driver <- don’t want to push it too hard, they get HOT fast!
Then a couple good 16340 Li Ion batts…

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djozz wrote:

and at dx since today, for $5.66, also in black:

http://www.dx.com/p/zhishunjia-mini-cree-xp-e-r2-6500k-200lm-3-mode-whit...

Cool !

DX...

 better order it today  so you can get it by august 

 

 

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Get any more in to take picks of the internals?

Seems more people are posting these up

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/31287

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WarHawk-AVG wrote:
Get any more in to take picks of the internals?

Seems more people are posting these up

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/31287

Just processed through Chicago. So knowing Chicago I would say sometime late next week.

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18sixfifty looks like someone did a review for you

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/31858

Interesting but quite neutered in stock mode ain’t it?

I gotta get me some of that silicon carbide stuff (that others have mentioned in potting driver mixes) and mix it in with some 30min epoxy and stuff the pill behind the star (give it a bit more meat to soak up the heat)
And/or some ultra-grey sensor safe RTV from autozone

Either way…that thin “pill” if you want to call it that definitely doesn’t look like it would wick heat away hardly at all

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It’s a 14500 light only . They are OK if it’s a wonderful light . Stock it’s a waste of a good 14500.

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