13-inches Humongous reflector HID host found (final reading of about 3.8M cd)

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13-inches Humongous reflector HID host found (final reading of about 3.8M cd)

Stock would be 55W HID.  Should be able to put in a 100W full sized ballast. 13" reflector.

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asdI am getting 1.25 million lux @ 1m (converted) for a 6-7 inch reflector with the 100W ballast and a 6000K bulb.  If we are lucky we should be able to touch 5 million  (4x more) or maybe 6 million with a 4300K bulb.

That could mean Maxabeam gen 2 - gen 3 performance. Hope the price is not a lot.

 

Ok, new discovery found.  Initially i am getting a dismay 1.7-1.8 million cd while testing with 100W ballast and 4300k bulb.  I put everything back, screwed it nice and tight.  It seems like upon screwing it back, the huge reflector suddenly snapped into focus and the beam is a lot tighter now.   I am getting 2.4 million candelas.  It seems like the reflector is so big that it needs the 6 screws to hold the edge in place, else it'd warp and not hold shape.  As you know it is a cone, and one the whole circular edge is supported, the reflector "parabola" (it is not a true parabola of course) is formed more accurately.   It is still a star shaped hotspot but extremely tight now with little corona and lots of spill. 

Longer range measurements need to be done...but that's all for now, gonna enjoy the thing.  Smile 

 

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omg 13 INCHES .... droooooooooooool . should throw like crazy

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link? Cool

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Glad you like it.  I've got 2pcs of their SM5200.  I am got a new 1.35 million lux 1m with a 4300k bulb.  This is untuned (can play with washers for focal length).  I think can hit 1.5-1.6 million when optimised.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/454071342/13_Portable_3500m_HID_Xenon_Spotlight.html

In contact with Cloris and see what she can do.  Apparently there might be issues with battery going through customs and the size.  But battery, what's the issue anyway...just take it out!  I can get it here at just usd15 per piece. Save on shipping as well since it might need DHL/UPS.  Obviously CPAM would not do, EMS may have restrictions too as it is BIG.

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Let me nego with them, i'll post new findings.  This one not so easy to get.  They are unwilling to sell the sample, not sure what issue with the SLA with customs.

 

I was supposed to have bought the SM5210, but mistakenly I was sent the SM5200.  So now I have 2 "Yao 35/80s"

 

240W LED bar.

http://www.sanmak.com.cn/product_detail.asp?id=638&sortid=125&sid=143

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The last time they said it was a sample and could not sell it. 

 

They contacted me again (Guangzhou Sanmak) today.  But a bit wrong timing, i am aiming to start off with astronomy and for that i need quite a fair bit of cash.  I wanted to start for 2 times, but never got round to it... 

But lets see what they can offer....

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browsed this early this morning as i was looking at their sm5200. 

minimum order : 10pcs....group buy?hehe

hope they could offer a reasonable price.

that light bar looks interesting. wish sanmak could provide us with some beamshots of both the 13" and the lightbar.

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There are some listings with 1pc....

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yup.but that 13 incher really caught my attention too.wish they would sell it on a per piece basis. btw is its 55w h3 bulb same in intensity as a 55w h4 bulb?

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Will need to see the price.  They tried to rip BVH of CPF off.  Think they quoted close to 300 bucks.  LOL!

Yes, H3 and H4 are just base variants.  Same bulb.

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2100 wrote:

The last time they said it was a sample and could not sell it. 

 

They contacted me again (Guangzhou Sanmak) today.  But a bit wrong timing, i am aiming to start off with astronomy and for that i need quite a fair bit of cash.  I wanted to start for 2 times, but never got round to it... 

But lets see what they can offer....

Astronomy is more fun than flashlights :)I've done it in a relatively inexpensive way. I started out with 80mm refractor and then went to 8" reflector and now I end up using the 80mm refractor and 15x70 binoculars most of the time.

I don't have any motorized gear and I locate things just by "star hopping" and by referring to a software program on my PC. What kind of telescope are you planning to get?
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2100- do you know the $USD price of that lightbar?  It looks pretty solid.   

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Astronomy is more fun than flashlights :)I've done it in a relatively inexpensive way. I started out with 80mm refractor and then went to 8" reflector and now I end up using the 80mm refractor and 15x70 binoculars most of the time.

I don't have any motorized gear and I locate things just by "star hopping" and by referring to a software program on my PC. What kind of telescope are you planning to get?

I've been interested in trying to check out the heavens since like 15 years ago but i still haven't started work then so stopped.  Then 8 years ago i wanted to get one but i figured that i need to drive to a secluded place to ob so too much work/time (need to work the next day!).  Just last year i wanted to start again but stopped, now want to start again. hehe....   I just moved to my place 2yrs ago which has a rooftop garden so it's going to be quite easy for me, i don't have to walk > 50m from my apartment.   But there are turnstiles to negotiate so no SCTs or big mounts.

http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=1-599-2-83-997-16518

Going to use on a Twilight II Alt-Az mount. No Goto, so keep it easy by star hopping. 

I figured that 2kg for the CF is not a lot of savings, but i'll be using this for quite a while, and due to the local tropical weather = lots of clouds, i need to be very fast.  The CF looks good too.

The problem is the focusser as it slips a bit after a few minutes if you get in a heavy > 20 oz EP there, i guess for me starting out it's not an issue. When i was doing bird photography i had a setup which is not very ideal too (just a 486RC Manfrotto ballhead) but i managed somehow. I am not a very particular person, but i do appreciate some quality.   But an upgrade to a Feathertouch or Moonlite is gonna cost!

Stellarvue has some good scopes with good focussers, but $$$...sigh.  I think optically it's not going to make much of a difference esp with the ES at 127mm.

http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=1-600-765-1112-16852

 

 

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Spivey wrote:

2100- do you know the $USD price of that lightbar?  It looks pretty solid.   

It's all here. Do a search, it's like Ebay.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/507030

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I have a couple extra 55W, 75W and the big 100W ballast and bulbs available.  I ordered the 35W version.

I negotiated for $165 shipped, $100 for light and $65 for EMS.  It is 6kg shipping weight and 13kg vol weight.

Some pictures.  The front bezel is actualyl 12.59", so the front visible diameter is probably 11.5" or something.

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Now thats one hell of a reflector! if that thing throws close to a maxabeam we have a winner here. a pricey one at that. are your spare ballasts h3 or h4? this is a h3 bulb light so a h4 swap would need some modding.

keeping a close eye on this one.:)

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I have like 30 over H3 bulbs 55W.... Big Smile  Purple, pink, blue, 30k, 3k, 4.3k, 5k, 6k, take your pick.  Very cheap, 11 bucks shipped. I went bonkers last time with HIDs.  They are also not "very dim" but i think they definitely wear down quicker than Philips/GE bulbs. But so far no failures (I don't use them that often anyway)  It's hot, like XM-Ls i don't think anybody guns past 20 mins anyway....

But 75W I have only 1 pair of 4300K and 100W also 1 pair of 4300k.

I estimate 6 mil PBCP tops and 4 mil minimum with the 100W bulb (5mm arc length).  It should beat the original Maxabeam, no doubt about that....which is at 2.3 mil. 

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2100 wrote:

I have like 30 over H3 bulbs 55W.... Big Smile  Purple, pink, blue, 30k, 3k, 4.3k, 5k, 6k, take your pick.  Very cheap, 11 bucks shipped. I went bonkers last time with HIDs.  They are also not "very dim" but i think they definitely wear down quicker than Philips/GE bulbs. But so far no failures (I don't use them that often anyway)  It's hot, like XM-Ls i don't think anybody guns past 20 mins anyway....

But 75W I have only 1 pair of 4300K and 100W also 1 pair of 4300k.

I estimate 6 mil PBCP tops and 4 mil minimum with the 100W bulb (5mm arc length).  It should beat the original Maxabeam, no doubt about that....which is at 2.3 mil. 

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Could you post some beamshots of that for maybe 100 yards or so?

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Could you post some beamshots of that for maybe 100 yards or so?

Beamshots would be in the order of 2km or so, if i estimated correctly.  (with the 100W ballast).

Anyway an attempted delivery was made yesterday Sunday, but nobody was around. Re-arranged delivery for tomorrow.

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2km! Darn got to get one of these baby's. 1.5km would be fine 2km would be fantastic!

hope you could help me..:)

after your tests that is.hehe

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Yes, 2km is using the international searchlight standard.  If we were to use that standard to describe stuff like the Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1 XR-E in a 50mm plus head, it'd be something like 223 metres range only.    Or it's 4km range if we use LED flashlights standard.

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I just wanted to see how large the spot was at 100M but if you want to do 2KM, that's fine too LoL.  I"m not sure I'll be able to compare it to anything though if you tried to do it that far away...

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Shucks, what a let down, the beam quality is pretty bad, the hotspot is sort of a star instead of circular like the SM5200 or Amondotech 3152.  Of course such big SMO reflector HIDs are not really for even 10 metres white wall beam shots because seriously it would like real bad.   On the lux meter it is just slightly below 2X the lux of the SM5200.  I need to go out to 50 metres and measure (beam focus phenomenon)

At 2X the reflector diameter, theorectically it should get 4X the lux.  Because of this "star pattern" hotspot, quite a fair bit of the hotspot is not focused at one point but spread over a star. So that's wasted light.

The funny thing is that the reflector is perfectly smooth and structurally it looks seamless.  But the beam comes out like that.

It can do about 1.1km visibly and definitely is a upgrade over the SM5200 when compared side by side, but 2km is not possible.  DAMNT IT!  Cry  It's something like a Fenix TK35 vs a Crelant 7G5.....rather than a Fenix TK35 vs a SR90.

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I tried playing with the focus for the past few hrs. No go.  

From what i see, this is only for the most hardcore HID/big host enthusiast, with spare bulbs/ballasts of different powers to play with.  It's really too expensive for the parts/engineering or even compared to similar HIDs though they are smaller, but then i like the bulk. 

Coz if you want any more throw you'd have to go the usd 2k plus route for portability.   The Vector 192 being the other monster sized HID (but ballasts are mounted outside plus you need Li ion pack to be inside in order to power the 2 x 100W ballasts, so it's pretty ugly)

This is actually the Sunca CS-2206CX model.  There is a Sunca CS-2206 model which is proably about 7".  They just hooked out a bigger plastic cavity housing and do up a bigger alu reflector.  The good thing is that the internal cavity is very big and lots of space to swallow a 100W big sized ballast.  Smile

The smaller brother.... Sunca CS-2206.   The CS-2206CX is the new 13" one.

asd

 

 

13" model.

http://www.sunfat.com.hk/product4.php?id=91&subID=23

asd

It is by Sunfat, a HK based company.  Think manufacturered in Shenzhen, where else...

 

I Found that the Sanmak SM5200 is actually the re-sold version of the Sunca CS-220 HID.  The Yao 35/80W is the modified version of this host.

http://www.sunfat.com.hk/product4.php?id=87&subID=23

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Are you just shimming the bulb in and out of the reflector?  I had the same problem with my Professional's Favorite.  Well, mine looked more like a "Plus" symbol than it did like a star, but my problem was that i needed to move it in all 3 axis to focus it (not just in and out).

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Are you just shimming the bulb in and out of the reflector?  I had the same problem with my Professional's Favorite.  Well, mine looked more like a "Plus" symbol than it did like a star, but my problem was that i needed to move it in all 3 axis to focus it (not just in and out).

It is well centered from what i see and yes i did wear gloves to move it around in and out as well as side to side. In fact there is a adapter disc so that it fits H3, and i removed it and it becomes H7 (bigger hole).  So i tried H7 bulbs which the arc gap protrudes further into the reflector, no go.  So slowly pulled it out and any part of the beam does not get circular.  I could do this with the SM5200 and Amondotech 3152.

I am pretty well versed in focussing because i had to do that perfectly with the SM5200 and Amondotech 3152 to get max throw from them too, but they just needed a little work for focus to be optimised.

Funny thing is that the adapter does not look wrapped or anything at all.

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Ok, i screwed everything down and it seems that once the edge of the reflector is firmly secured down, the hotspot is much tighter.  Seems like the reflector is so huge that it warps if not supported at the edge.

I am getting like 2.4 million cd.   I need to go for 50m measurements to get accurate stuff, the light sensor/voltage meter is probably getting overloaded.....and i need the beam to spread out.  It is so tight that the center peak beam which gives you the PBCP is slightly half the diameter of the hotspot of a Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1, you can imagine the intensity.   We are talking about 9000 chamber lumens vs 250 emitter lumens, into something smaller than the hotspot of the 250 emitter lumens. Something like that.

 Eg, That is 36 times the light.  36 x 55k cd = 1980k cd.

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On the right are L2T, Crelant 7G5, Sunwayman T40CS.  If you look at the biggest reflector, you can see me half-naked in it.  (thanks to Chicago X for pointing that out).

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yes it seems the 13" reflector seems to have some warping compared to the two sanmaks. what is the reflector material of the 13 incher? sanmaks reflector looks great compared to the two bigger lights.

nice collection.:) i promised my self a sanmak5200 early next year.:) 

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