13-inches Humongous reflector HID host found (final reading of about 3.8M cd)

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I'm glad you kept at it and got it focused a little better.  I'm sure you are happy with it now.  I know what it's like to think "man, i bet I can get that just a little bit better" and then spend two hours each night with it. 


I'm looking forward to some nice beamshots!

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Oooh sexy!

We want beeeeeaaaaaaamshots! Laughing

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amraspalantir wrote:

yes it seems the 13" reflector seems to have some warping compared to the two sanmaks. what is the reflector material of the 13 incher? sanmaks reflector looks great compared to the two bigger lights.

nice collection.:) i promised my self a sanmak5200 early next year.:)

The reflector is definitely aluminum.  With such a big reflector and glass surface in front, heat is actually not an issue.  The true reflector front aperture is 280mm, or 11.06 inches.

Sanmak SM5200/CS-220HID is 6.5 inches front aperture.  It is this slight wrapping of the reflector that gets you rings. The good thing is that it is invisible in reality, because you are not going to be using this below 50 metres. heh....

Shipping to PH is the same as to SG, you can get the 55W SM5200 for usd88 shipped.  Smile   It's actually enough, and definitely more cost effectively than to change it out for a 100W.

 

Rezolution wrote:

I'm glad you kept at it and got it focused a little better.  I'm sure you are happy with it now.  I know what it's like to think "man, i bet I can get that just a little bit better" and then spend two hours each night with it. 


I'm looking forward to some nice beamshots!

Yeah, need to do some videos and comparative beamshots soon.  Need to find time.

I now measured 2.54 million cd at a longer distance of 12.4 metres.  Previously 2.4 mil was at 8.17 metres.  Really need to do 50m soon.

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Played with the x-y axis a little coz the bulb / adapter was a little off-centered.  Candlepower jumped to 2.8 million now and that's at 8 metres (previously 2.4 mil only).  I think it should surpass 3 mil at the 50metres range.   So officially, we are comfortably past Gen II Maxabeam.  (remember, my meter is the under-reading DX meter, you can probably add 15% to it if you are comparing to quite a few figures at CPF)

The glass cuts 8.0%, unfortuantely.

Pictures below courtesy of Ra's Maxablaster built thread (ie not the light mentioned in this thread):

Need to get it centered!

asd

 

Fine focus is paramount for big reflectored short-arcs.

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Nice.  Almost 3 MM candlepower  Surprised

 

You can see the winter Olympics in the Ra reflector.....along with a bay window, lights, stereo setup and  his library.    Smile

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First off, Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1, with 2 x 18350 inside.  (max output cell config)  This also sort of serves as a control shot, because the Masterpiece Pro-1 cannot really do 450m.....just that perhaps the manufacturers would like you to believe that.

asd

 

Second, DBS Dereelight Aspherical lens with EZ900 XR-E R2 1.5 amps pill WD pure white tint.  ~ 100k cd

asd

 

Third, Fenix TK70, 2200 lumens OTF

asd

 

Fourth, Sanmak 5200/Sunca CS-220 with 100W ballast and 100W bulb, this config is more for flood but massive output of 7500 lumens OTF.

asd

 

Fifth, Sunca CS-2206CX HID with 100W ballast and 55W bulb.  (you can see the slight star shaped hotspot)

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Video. First off is Crelant 7G5, then the Fenix TK70 kicks in.   I moved the TK70 to the right, and switched on the 13" CS-2206CX HID.  As you can see, the startup time is negligible.  

 

 

 

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Awesome urban beamshots. 

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I really appreciate you taking the time to do the beamshots and video.  That was really neat to see.

I hope to get some shots of my newly modded Professional's Favorite HID with 50W ballast and 50W bulb...

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2100 what 'pocketable' light would you recommend me for a thrower? I'm really happy with my DRY but for throw it really does suck. That DBS really looks nice but i think it's really worhtless for everything else but throw as it's like a laser. Smile I'm considering the ff stl v6 but it doesn't fit in a pocket... the DBS 2 14350 (?) does but i dont have a charger nor the batteries for it and it's probably a pure thrower

 

 
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How about a Solarforce L2M, with an ahorton aspheric (DEFT EDC lens) and XR-E R2 ?

Around 36Kcd, very pocketable.

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How about a Solarforce L2M, with an ahorton aspheric (DEFT EDC lens) and XR-E R2 ?

Around 36Kcd, very pocketable.

Don't think it can be so high. Most probably 26k to a max of 30k for the budget P60 stuff that we use (enourmous output heat sag).  Think need the EZ900 die and over 1.2 amps, definitely not easy for the budget P60s.   If we use the Dereelight EZ900 1.5A pill then it'd push the price way up with the Ahorton and you might as well get the DBS aspheric.  Big Smile

It's not easy or cheap to go for small and throwy, that is why DEFT line can exist (even the DEFT HO couldn't be sustained). 

Just extreme output/throw is easier.  If you can shell out the dough, 1 to 1.2k can get you close to a magical 100 million cd, shipped.  Smile   (actually i saw $890 shipped to my country but that's a lower power and i can't find that deal again)

 

 

 

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2100 what 'pocketable' light would you recommend me for a thrower? I'm really happy with my DRY but for throw it really does suck. That DBS really looks nice but i think it's really worhtless for everything else but throw as it's like a laser. Smile I'm considering the ff stl v6 but it doesn't fit in a pocket... the DBS 2 14350 (?) does but i dont have a charger nor the batteries for it and it's probably a pure thrower

How about the CQG?  http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1223

48mm head.  It looks somewhat bright for the hotspot.  It won't touch STL-V6/V2, but even the 2 x 18500 option does not fit a pocket.

But hold your horses, the DRY with Turbo actually gets 25k cd on my meter, and the CQG with 48mm head probably gets around the same ballpark relatively.  (my meter under reads)

You might have to get the Sunwayman V60C.  But i guess too expensive.

Do you have a C8/Keygos?  The Fandyfire STL-V6 can use that tube as well as some others.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/3529   <<-- you can see some shorties inside.

It's a cheap light, so you can afford to buy a charger as well as batteries.  The Trustfire TR-001 is cool and pretty cheap, i have it, works well....just that it charges a bit slow. heh... but generally ok and terminates decently and consistently.

 

 

 

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Got 1168 lux at 55 metres.  1168 x 55^2 = 3.5 million candlepower.   On DX meter so you can factor in 10-20% additional as it under-reads (well documented).  With 10% additional you get 3.8 million candlepower.

 

  This is with the glass lens on, so you can add 8% if you decide to run without the lens.  (I measured 8.09% cut with the glass lens)

I'll try to get a 2.18km shot, i IDed a building and it could hit it, but i did not have my cam/telephoto and tripod with me.

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2km shot will incredible! if this goes well its goodbye 5200 and hello 5500 for next year. hehe..btw any link to where you got your 100w bulb / ballast your using?

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Sure... amraspalantir  http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=100W+ballast&catId=0

If you don't wanna use ESCROW (actually it's safer than PP in a certain way, because the seller is not paid until you authorise ESCROW to release it, so you have the bargaining chip for any full or partial refunds.  Now PP could in some rare cases be unable to suck funds from the sellers account, highly unlikely but i thought i nearly suffered that for my Lightpipe 250W purchase, which was usd 530 and he had multiple orders)

I purchased from Guangzhou COSON, as they have the 12V to 24V version.  This version works with voltages from 9.5V-30V as specified on the back.  The advantage is that you get slightly more power output with 24V, ballast efficiency is higher as well.  The ballast would be straining, and you can hear it, if the voltage drops below 12V loaded.  This is useful if you want to use an external pack next time with 2 x SLAs in series.  You will never know what comes up.... i feel that paying like 20-30 bucks more is better for flexibility.

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/476062132-warranty-for-14months-free-shipping-12V-24V-H3-100W-HID-XENON-KIT-wholesalers.html  (I purchased it for usd 103 then, looks like it's now usd115.  They are extremely fast, they posted the package via DHL the next day and i got it after 3 days after i paid.

You can see in the listing that it is taking 12.0V from a PSU and current is 8.3 amps.  99.6 watts of input power.  I personally measured 98W from my SLA.

BTW if you want the most output, choose the 4300K bulb.  5000K bulb is ok if you want a pure white, definitely within 5% of the 4300K bulb. 

You need to order a pair of 4300K H3 base bulb of 55W power.  This would give you the smaller bulb with a shorter arc length of about 3-4mm.  The 75 and 100W ones are 5-6mm, and this means less throw.  However the 75/100W bulbs do give 9500-10000 bulb lumens, while the overdriven 55W can only get maybe 7000+ bulb lumens due to lowered efficiency.  High powered HIDs & metal halides are very efficient relatively, more efficient than LEDs. The Philips bulbs are doing like 120 lumens per watt, and this is at the high end of the power curve, not like XM-L which reaches only about 60 lm per watt in real life in our flashlight app. (due to heat)  You may notice that P60 XM-Ls often dig below 50lm/W.

The LED franternity thinks that HID is old-school and LED is overtook it esp with the XM-L.  Sorry folks, in reality it's far from it. But on paper, XM-L looks good.  Smile

 

It's a big investment with all the bulbs/ballast and host. But i'd say bite the bullet if you are a throw junkie.  It is WORTH IT.  If you really want to get into the throw crowd and can accept the -ve of say big host and plastic construction, forget about LEDs. 

 

 

Consolidated lux readings

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?311939-Consolidated-Short-Arc-amp-HID-spotlight-Lux-readings

Short Arc (ma_sha1 short arc lux reading are from Extech EA30 lux meter)

Maxa Blaster: 100W Mercury short Arc, 9" Hi End reflector -52 Million CP
(Measured by RA @ >100 meter distance)
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...-Maxablaster!)

Moon Blaster: 120W Hi Pressure Mercury short Arc, 9" reflector -16.1 Million CP
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 100 meter distance)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...e-Moon-Blaster
16.7 Million CP when measured @ 10 meter distance

Mega Blaster: 120W High Pressure Mercury short Arc, 4.5" Aspheric lens-5.0 Million CP
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 100 meter distance)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...t=mega+blaster
5.5 Million CP when measured @ 10 meter distance

Maxa Beam Gen II
#1: 75W Xenon short Arc, 5" Hi End Reflector --2.3 Million CP
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 100 meter distance)

2.3 Million CP
when measured @ 30 meter;
1.7 Million CP when measured @ 10 meter.

Maxa Beam Gen II, #2:
75W Xenon short Arc, 5" Hi End Reflector
--3.2 Million cp
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 200ft/61 meter distance); 2.1 Million CP when measured @ 10 meter.

Maxa Beam Gen II, #2 with Gen III lamp: 75W Xenon short Arc, UXL-75PB lamp -6.1 Million cp
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 200ft/61 meter distance); 4.6 Million CP when measured @ 10 meter

Maxa Beam Gen II, #3 with UXL-75XE lamp: 75W Xenon short Arc,-7.1 Million cp
(Measured by echo63 @ 160 meter distance)

150W Military Xenon short Arc: 6" Hi End Reflector --0.8 Million CP
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 100 meter distance)
, 1.1 Million CP when measured @ 10 meter distance.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...duction-lights

Franken Mag short Arc:
50W UHP short Arc, 4" Nighthunter II Reflector --
0.5 Million CP
(Measured by ma_sha1 @ 10 meter distance)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...00-lux-1-meter


HID & Hi Power Halogen Spotlight True CPs for reference.

Extreme Throw Incans:
MagDaddy PAR 46 HIR: >400,000 cp, 130W, 5.75" Reflector sealed beam H7680 HIR (Measured by ma_sha1)
Platinum Thor 15 Million CP Halogen: 380,000 cp (Maxablaster host): 130W, 9" reflector (Measured by RA)
Several other 15 Million cp halogen spotlights: Non went above 400,000 CP, unknown but large reflector sizes
(Measured by RA)
Thor 10 Million CP Halogen: 183,000 CP 100w, 7" reflector (measured by mtbkndad & calculated by RA)

High Power HIDs

Mozo Mega
HID, 75W Mod, 6" Reflector, Philips 4300K lamp 1.7 million cps, (Measured by Ma_sha1)
Sanmak SM5200
, 100W Mod, 6" reflector, 6000K bulb, ~1.25 million cps. (by 2100/12.5M/Dx meter)
Sanmak SM5200, 100W Mod, 6" reflector, 3400K bulb, ~1.35 million cps. (by 2100/12.5M/Dx meter)
Barn Burner 75W HID with stock DL50 lamp, 4.25" reflector: 750,000 cp (Measured by That Guy)
Barn Burner 75W HID with stock DL50 lamp, 4.25" reflector: 4-500,000 cp* (estimated by Flashanator based on Dec 2007 shootout)http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=199989&page=2
Mozo Mini Barn Burner mod, 75W HID , 4" reflector: 552,000 cp (Measured by ma_sha1)
Polarion Night Reaper CWSL, 50W HID 3" Reflector: 506,000 cp (
Measured by 2100 @ 45 meters)
Polarion X1, 40W HID, 3" reflector: 400,000 cp (measured by mtbkndad & calculated by RA)

Regular Power HIDs (30/35W)

>5" Reflector group

...POB HID, 6" Reflector >400,000 cp , ebay 4300K lamp (measured by Petrev)
...Mozo Mega HID, 6" Reflector 430,000 cp, stock 6000K lamp (Measured by Ma_sha1)
...Mozo L35 clone in 5.75" Par 46 HIR Reflector 275,000 cp (Measured by ma_sha1)

4" Reflector Group
...Titanium Innovations L35 35W HID, 4" Reflector: 225,000 CP (Measured by selfbuilt)
...N30 HID 4" reflector, 250,000 cp (measured by mtbkndad & calculated by RA)
...Mozo L35 Clone, 35W HID, 4" reflector: 180,000 cp (Measured by ma_sha1)

3" or smaller Reflector Group
...G&P 35W HID, 3" reflector: 143,000 cp (measured by jirik_cz)
--Xeccon SSK-33 2-mode HID, 3" reflector 35W mode: 135,000 cp (Measured by ma_sha1)
--Xeccon SSK-33 2-mode HID, 3" reflector 28W mode: 96,000 cp (Measured by ma_sha1)
--MicroFire Warrior III 3" OP reflector 53,000 cp (measured by MorePower)
--MicroFire Warrior III OP-polished reflector 92,000 cp(measured by MorePower)
--MicroFire Warrior III 3" SMO reflector, 108,000 cp (measured by shinetop, 3 meters)
--6600mAH ebay HID 35W, 3" SMO reflector, 103,500 cp (measured by shinetop, 3 meters)
--Fire-Foxes 1(火狐2009), 2.6" SMO, Peeled naked bulb, 148,500 cp (measured by shinetop, 3 meters)

Low Power HIDs: 25W or less
...24W Tactical HID- 40,000 cp (measured by jirik_cz)
...24W Oracle HID, OP reflector- 45,000 cp (measured by ma_sha1)
...ledpwr's 14W DC HID maglite, peeled bulb, Anode Focus, SMO 330,000 cp.
...Ra's 10W Mini DC HID, peeled bulb, Anode Focus, SMO 250,000 cp.

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plenty thanks 2100...darn that a lot of info to swallow!Smile

and yes...i have become a throw junkie!

DRY, ITP A3, Tk-703, E03, Aspheric DBS V3, Sanmak 5500 HID,Costco HID,  sc600, TK41, TK-40 and my reliable FJ-40. Love them all!Smile

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2.2km shot

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lk

That building below is some 700m away.

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looks like its raining there also. nasty storm passed south of the philippines.

are those shots around 2 km distance? cant wait for january. dont want to order anything until the Christmas is through. to minimize any risks on the packages.

btw any approximate runtime you have with the stock battery?12v 7mah if im correct?

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Woah...that typhoon sure is nasty.  I am pretty sure that the weather is going to be even worse next year.  More and more heat right here on Earth, that energy needs somewhere to be released.  Since when did typhoons happen in East Asia in December near Christmas time?

Stock battery is 5.5AH, but there is space for 7.2AH as it is actually designed for 7.2AH just that the dimensions allow for 5.5AH. 100W ballast takes about 8.6amps steady after heating up.... Probably it's 20 mins or so. 

I have a 2.2km shot on a building above.  The cloud shot is 700m away and prob about 400m elevation.  As it's raining, i can't go to the roof and do 90 deg straight up shots.

 

Edit - oh, so TS Washi was just a tropical storm, but just 9mph shy of a Cat 1 typhoon.

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New photo

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Very nice. 

That pic is now my screensaver.  Smile

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Chicago X, glad you like it....  from a photographic POV, it should be aimed lower to get more of the buildings.  But it's supposed to be a beamshot, not a scenic night shot photo.  hehe....

You see that it has a star shape corona.  Those stars have a candlepower of about 200k!  hehe....

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Nah, the negative space is perfect for an editorial layout, or in this case, for the icons on the desktop !!!

I agree with you on the composition if you were going after the poster market.  I had a buddy with a Chicago skyline shot has banked him over 20K in residuals !!!

 

EDIT: I'm working on acquiring a huge Fresnel lens from a rear projection setup.  I'm hoping to assemble something attached to a huge lump of copper that will throw a visible beam like that. 

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If you like, this is a higher res version saved with minimal compression.  http://www.pbase.com/weddings_events/image/140439024/original.jpg

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2100 wrote:

Woah...that typhoon sure is nasty.  I am pretty sure that the weather is going to be even worse next year.  More and more heat right here on Earth, that energy needs somewhere to be released.  Since when did typhoons happen in East Asia in December near Christmas time?

Stock battery is 5.5AH, but there is space for 7.2AH as it is actually designed for 7.2AH just that the dimensions allow for 5.5AH. 100W ballast takes about 8.6amps steady after heating up.... Probably it's 20 mins or so. 

I have a 2.2km shot on a building above.  The cloud shot is 700m away and prob about 400m elevation.  As it's raining, i can't go to the roof and do 90 deg straight up shots.

 

Edit - oh, so TS Washi was just a tropical storm, but just 9mph shy of a Cat 1 typhoon.

 

This climate change phenomena is starting to make its presence felt.storms dont usually last until december here and they very rarely make it down south of the Philippines.Hence the big loss of life there. Washi had heavy rains which is deadlier than high winds.

NIce cloud shots.btw.

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A good video on HIDs used in caves by my pal stollman.  This somewhat demonstrates why HIDs are preferred over LEDs for usage in large caves as it just sucks up all the lumens (for my case it's birds nest "caves", used during the collection of birds nests), unless you can stick 10pcs of XM-Ls in a light.

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Scheven_architect wanted this image, 65W Aliexpress/Ebay and DRY in Turbo (~ 4 amps) and DBS V3 aspheric EZ900 but it's somewhat unfocused

 

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2100 wrote:

Scheven_architect wanted this image, 65W Aliexpress/Ebay and DRY in Turbo (~ 4 amps) and DBS V3 aspheric EZ900 but it's somewhat unfocused

 

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Hehe i just love this Smile the DRY which is bright as hell if seen alone seems so faint in this picture. Gonna order me a 85W 'ebay' HID flashlight pretty soon! Love the EDC factor of the DRY but it has to be a mighty feeling to have a light which easily brightens up +500m and has 4 times the lumen of my DRY. Although i know the SM5200 is cheaper and will outthrow a flashlight shaped HID easily i can't get over the form factor/size of it. I know how far my DRY throws, I have seen pictures of the TK 70 humiliating the DRY in throw and I have seen pictures (from you) of the EBAY hid humiliating the TK70 so i guess the throw of an ebay HID will do for me (although it gets humiliated by a sm5200 LOL 

 

 

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