Killer lumens pass-around (RBGW_Clicky and Puke light)

Commercial Sellers' Spot
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Hey guys, I've decided to do a pass around for a couple lights, one being the pukelight proto (TK45 based) and the other being the RGBW_Clicky proto (Balder SE-2 clone host). Note neither of these are the final production versions however their UI's are the final UI's, only the hardware is different (production pukelight is built from an EA41, first version of production RGBW_Clicky is a Supfire A6 however they're several others planned and I can install the hardware in nearly any host.

Let me start out with the fine print so there's no confusion-

-Each light will be sent around separately so the same person wont be able to have both lights at once (to be fair / get more exposure and to ensure a shipping mishap wouldnt be as detrimental).

-The person receiving the light may have the light up to 7 days (please ship on or before the 7th day). If your turn to have the light comes up at a bad time for you please let me know and I'll swap your order around for you.

-The light should be shipped USPS priority with tracking (RGBW_Clicky needs to be insured for $100, pukelight needs to be insured for $300), this is not optional (no "oh I'm sure it wont get lost so I'm not going to buy the additional insurance, I'll just pay for it if something goes wrong") you must buy the full insurance amount. Other carriers are ok as long as the service offered is directly comparable to USPS priority. You are also responsible for the lights while in your possession, if it were to get lost / stolen* you would need to pay me the full retail price (not just the parts price) ASAP.

-You must provide me with your shipping info including a phone number (I wont pass the phone number along to the sender, only your name/address)

-You must run the recommended cell(s ). Thats PROTECTED 18650 for the RGBW_Clicky, 8x eneloops (or comparable) for the pukelight. DO NOT INSERT CELLS BACKWARDS, there is no reverse polarity protection! DO NOT USE alkaline's, DO NOT USE 1.8V Li primaries, both of these will over voltage the MCU destroying it instantly.

-You will be responsible for damage that renders the light inop (including broken glass) however dings to the finish from hard use are not only acceptable but hard use is encouraged!

-DO NOT FOR ANY REASON DISASSEMBLE either light in the least.

-Do not submerge either light, they are both water resistent to heavy rain and should be totally water proof (I've had the pukelight submerged) but I dont want to risk it since its not coming back to me between each tester.

-I will expect feedback, a review isnt required (however would be appreciated) but I'm doing this to gain real world knowledge, not just for you to have something to play with. You are free to post info / review / your opinions on any forum (other than CPF) but please let me know the link to your post if on another forum.

*A couple other points specific to pukelight. Because the light is a law enforcement tool and comes equipped with a police strobe you could potentially get yourself in trouble or even get the light confiscated, especially if using it in a motor vehicle (DO NOT DO THIS). If that were to happen again you would be required to replace the light (however I will work with you and provide you whatever paperwork you may need to show the light belongs to me and to help you attempt to get it back if at all possible before just flat out demanding you compensate me)

Since pukelight is a tool designed for disorientating I would greatly appreciate if you (or one of your buddies) would test the main function's effectiveness, anyone that can do this will move to the front of the line. I have devised a test to show its usefulness and will write that up and post it in this thread. Any other testing methods you can come up with are also great, feel free to use the light in any way you can imagine (including as a regular flashlight)

If you are interested in receiving either light please post your interest (and which one / both) here in this thread and PM me your info at that time. Restricted to members who have been here longer than 6 months (special exceptions may be made on an individual bases, PM me). You will need to post in this thread when you receive the light and again when you ship it (you should also send me tracking via PM upon shipment). However you dont need to any sort of daily update, after you ship the light on you can take a little time to collect your thoughts and get something together, I'm not super strict on this. You can post any info you wish, there are no requirements, even constructive criticism would be great feedback if thats how you feel.

I have participated in several pass-arounds and everything almost always goes perfect however I understand issues may come up, as long as you handle your end and follow my guidelines I will have no hard feelings should something happen (assuming you do your part to work it out). That this is something I'd like to continue to do with new products however I would probably change my mind about that if someone were to try to screw me over, please dont ruin this for everyone else (or me) by signing up with ill-intentions. Again I understand packages get lost, thats what insurance is for. Also as long as you're up front about any issues you cause I wont hold that against you, if its a design flaw thats obviously not your fault but if it is something you break (you drop it and smash a lens or cross thread the tail cap or something) then all I'll ask is you pay for that individual issue.

Any questions (about this pass-around or either light) let me know! I hope this works out well for both parties. Note the RGBW_Clicky is already in route to the first tester (not a BLF member) however the Pukelight is up for grabs and can be shipped out this week.

Thanks guys,

Dan Gostlin

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My neighbor is a cop so I can run the pukelight by him and see what he thinks about it’s usefulness on duty. Will be more than happy to provide feedback and output numbers from my lightbox.

*Holds up right hand and solemnly swears to leave lights intact.

I have some 40 Eneloops/Powerizer Imedion AA cells for my photography flash units. That’s not an issue.

Thanks for the options and opportunity….

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Well, I will have to pass. If you have something that you might want me to look at, I would love to do that, but I would have to disassemble it, just to see the workmanship, so I can't abide by the rules.

I hope you get some good results and wish you the very best in your endeavors.

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Good idea. I'd like to be on the list, but don't want the light quite yet because I don't have time for it right now.

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I’m interested in the Puke Light! PM sent.

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Just make sure you send a sheet explaining all the modes :slight_smile:

I will have to pass…
A. Shipping cost
B. Wife will KILL ME :stuck_out_tongue:

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Very interested in trying both out, have lots of batteries, and shipping within US insured is no problem. Will provide an opinion on what I can see, but I won't take either light apart.

PM incoming.

Edit: With regards to police strobe, it's not illegal for you to have one, but it is very illegal to use one if you are not LEO. If you have it in the car for transportation, take out the batteries, on the off chance you'll run across that one cop having a bad day. (Obviously this only applies to US, and may have some variation state to state. Just stick to using specialized products like this in private. Even cops technically are not allowed to use much of their equipment outside strict guidelines.)

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Wasn’t aware that the so-called “police strobe” was illegal in any way. Not any more so than the strobe found in all the budget lights. Pretty sure it comes down to how something is being put to use. You go around shining any strobe in peoples eyes and your’e gonna get yourself in trouble. The strobe that is being called Police strobe is just a variant, comparatively new, and I’ve already had one for quite some time. Gotta check with my cop neighbor on that one. Even he says there’s no laws pertaining to the use of lasers, even high powered ones, that would allow a police officer to make an arrest. But again, how it’s being used will dictate whether or not trouble comes your way. According to him, if they got complaints of a laser they’d investigate, confiscate, and report it to the state. It’d be up to the state and federal agencies to pursue it, as there are currently no laws on the books that they could apply.

So, I’m going to have to assume the strobe is even less on the radar. It’s not a prohibited weapon, and isn’t listed anywhere as being Police or Military only. Again though, I’ll have to double check with Mr. Law.

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That's precisely what it comes down to.

With regards to police strobe, specifically red/blue, the issue is you can be charged impersonating an officer. In fact you can be charged with this even if you don't have anything that remotely resembles law enforcement, but if you represent yourself as a cop, and you aren't, you're in trouble. While the likelihood of it happening to someone not doing it low, you can still have a problem in that as a civilian you have no reasonable use for it. So if you get pulled over, your car is searched, and they find it, for lack of any other charges they could go with it. Most likely the charge would be dropped, or downgraded to something else, but still not worth the hassle IMO.

With regards to lasers you are in a way very seriously wrong. Different laws apply to laser pointers vs scanners. With regards to both, yes you may own a laser, but anytime you use one in public, or technically even in private, or, let's say point it into the sky, you could end up dealing with the FDA instead. You would be subject to the same laws as applicable to laser shows, and liable.

Your cop friend is right though, unless there is a report of a nuisance, or local ordinance (myrtle beach, a lot of boardwalk locations), local LEO's don't go after people with lasers, or would arrest on it, or even confiscate, if it wasn't being used, and caused the incident to begin with. The FBI is very active in pursuing people who shine lasers at planes (rightfully so) though.

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I’m going to be posting a longer update from my computer this afternoon but for right now I wanted to let you know a final shipping cost then.

The RGBW_Clicky is $8.55 (small flat rate with $100ins), the pukelight (if sent in a medium flat rate) will be $18.15 however later on today I’m gonna run to the office supply store and try to find a better fitting box, $300 of insurance is $6 so if I can find a box that fits the light better it would only be ~$12 or so total (zone dependent. *

*the other choice is stick a smaller box in a flat rate large mailer bag (that would be ~$13 insured). Trying to use free packing material everyone has access to incase it were to get destroyed / thrown out by your wife while it was there.

Just letting you guys know it’s not gonna be to bad for the required shipping at all. Like I said better reply to come this afternoon, will also be replying to all your PM’s then. Thanks!

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That sounds fine on the shipping amounts. Probably easier to ship the two together though, since I expect most people will want to see both lights.

A medium sized priority box should fit both lights.

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So like $40 to try out a modded light for 6 days? Awesome!

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$26.80 is like $40 as 900 lumens is 10,000.

A modded light might be a bit short of what these actually are, but all the same I’m still interesting in having a play…

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If the package is routed to keep hops between members to the shortest distance, using regional rate priority mail would save a little money, but I think the only way to get those boxes is to order it for free from their website.

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Not sure if sarcastic or serious…

Are people on this forum not familiar with the idea of a pass-around? It’s a pretty common thing on other forums I’m on, its not like your paying to “rent” a light for a week, you’re paying your own postage to help a brother out while getting to play with an awesome new light for a week (something we’re all interested as flashaholics). You’re also paying the same cost as everyone participating, its just that instead of sending some money up front to have that person ship something to you you’re paying when you ship it on to the next guy. Its literally no different than if I sent it to you and you sent it back to me when you were done except it cuts transit times (and total costs) in half.

What I’m getting told is that I need to cover everyone’s shipping both ways and that’s pretty ridiculous to me (and there’s no possible way I can do that), again I’ve been on the receiving end of many pass-around’s and this is the standard way to do things. If you’re not interested simply dont sign up, no one’s going to ship you the light and demand you ship it on out of pocket so there’s really no reason to take offense at the way it works. This is supposed to be a fun way for you guys to get to play with new lights that you couldnt otherwise get to use and to help me as the developer out. Also like I mentioned in the OP this is something I’d like to continue doing with more lights and maybe we could get other modders to start doing something similar as well since us modders dont/cant send out review samples.

Check out the bladeforum pass-around sub-forum if you dont believe me that covering your own outgoing shipping is the standard practice, I assure you thats the normal way to go about it.

The reason the lights will be sent separate from one another are cited in the OP, there are a couple including getting more exposure per light, everyone not being interested in both lights, giving each person more time with a single light and the big one is to ensure a shipping issue wouldnt be as big of a loss for me, you gotta remember I’m not a large company, I dont have an unlimited budget, loosing a box with $400 worth of lights would be a major major set back for me. While yes I have different expense accounts for my business and for my family/living/bill money loosing something that large from the business fund would still be a huge hit to my personal finances as well.

[dangerous I’m not directing this at you, I’ve also received several PM’s saying the same thing. If this rant is unwarranted and you wernt being condescending them my sincerest apologies]

For the people who have shown a real interest I thank you. You’re really helping me out and providing a service I couldnt otherwise obtain, I dont have a R&D department, I have myself and a few of my buddies who graciously offer to get pukelighted in the name of furthering my knowledge on the subject and improving my product.

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Shipping separately to minimize risk makes sense. I've been pretty lucky shipping my own lights, and lasers around, but I can see not wanting to take the risk on them both, and also that many people may not be interested in both.

Now the hard part... deciding which friends to test the puke light on :p

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Well my friends all said I was a kook

Thought their seizures were merely a fluke

So I just had to see

Turned the flashlight at me

And soon found myself covered with puke

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Geez C_k, apparently some people have you mistaken with a mega corporation. Your pass around idea is a good idea that I've also seen on other forums.

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To be fair, I think anyone testing this light should test it on themselves first. I am skeptical that it would cause anyone to actually puke, but wouldn't be surprised at all if it can induce nausea.

Btw, Cereal_Killer, you may want to look into non LEO applications. I've been looking at rave gloves as part of my halloween costume, after having used some last year that were ~$10, and wanting something better. The prices on them are surprisingly high, and a rave light, one like your RGWB but with a bunch of strobe options, would probably do well.

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Bump, lights are both making their rounds, if anyone else is interested (especially in pukelight, I have several people lined up for RGBW_Clicky) please let me know. If you need more than 7 days we can discuss that, I’d rather have you keep the light slightly longer than to send it back to me only to have to turn around and send it right back to someone new 2 days later.