Difference between Opus BT-C3400 & BT-C3100 v2.1?

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How do I know that these are better quality? How do I know how long they have been used and the duration of use per day? Don’t they sell those kind new?

If you’d rather not take a (slight) risk on a used high-quality SMPS, then you can get them new for slightly more, e.g. here is a Hitachi 12V/5A ADP-60WB, which is manufactured by Delta, a top-tier SMPS manufacturer (analogous to Panasonic for batteries). They are $14 or Best Offer, so probably you can get it with a $10 offer.

As I mentioned before, I didn’t say the SuperNight was high-quality. Rather, I gave it as an example of very cheap SMPS on eBay.

ok,,,,maybe I will use that as a main one and my SUPERNIGHT as a backup!!

How come these used ones never tell what size the barrel connectors are?

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How do I know that these are better quality? How do I know how long they have been used and the duration of use per day? Don’t they sell those kind new?

If you’d rather not take a (slight) risk on a used high-quality SMPS, then you can get them new for slightly more, e.g. here is a Hitachi 12V/5A ADP-60WB, which is manufactured by Delta, a top-tier SMPS manufacturer (analogous to Panasonic for batteries). They are $14 or Best Offer, so probably you can get it with a $10 offer.

As I mentioned before, I didn’t claim that the SuperNight was high-quality. Rather, I gave it as an example of a very inexpensive 12V/5A SMPS on eBay.

ok,,so where is the NEW ones?!! This is another used one!

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Last comment on Supernight!

I never said you claimed that it was high quality. I am saying that you recommended it and have badgered it several times since! You want me to open it up because it may be shabby. Shortly after you recommended it you posted others for Teacher that are supposedly better!

Supernight is doing fine ,,,,,,does not get hot and has gotten the job done so far!

….It is way past my bed time,,,,I get up at 5 every day to take the BOSS out!

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I am IMPRESSED!!! I got a refund already for the SMPS that did not work right!!! I guess they do not want the piece of crap back!

I saw some reviews on it and a guy said it could not deliver more than 1 amp!

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They must have run out of new Hitachi’s since I last saved that link. I have updated the post to a LITEON, which is a good deal.

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They must have run out of new Hitachi’s since I last saved that link. I have updated the post to a LITEON, which is a good deal.

ok,,,,,,,,,,,,I found a “supposed” new one on Amazon for $6.99,,,,,,,,,,,has to be a fake!

What do you think?

https://www.amazon.com/UpBright%C2%AE-Adapter-HITACHI-ADP-60WB-Monitor/d...

I emailed the Ebay Hitachi seller to find out what size the barrel connector is. I want it to be 2.1mm NOT 2.5mm even if the latter fits, I am sure it would be losse.

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If you prefer not to take a (slight) risk on a used high-quality SMPS then you can get a new one for slightly more, e.g. $10.45 for a 12V/66W LITEON PA-1660-2SA1. This was probably manufactured in the past year or so given the FCC ID application date of 2015-10-29, and the fact that it meets the latest efficiency Level VI. So it is a latest tech SMPS from a top-tier manufacturer at a great price.

As I mentioned before, I didn’t say the SuperNight was high-quality. Rather, I gave it as an example of very cheap SMPS on eBay.

It is listed for .99 cents!!!! I guess that is an error!

The barrel connector is the 2.5mm NOT the 2.1mm.

Do they sell an adapter/converter piece to attach to the 2.5mm and converts to 2.1mm? I would think the 2.5mm would be loose and I do not want that.

EDIT:Yes they do Wolfdog!! Lets NOT complicate this!! Less than $3 on amazon. Keep it simple Wolfdog,just get one w/ a 2.1mm!!

How about this brand NEW Hitachi…only $41.79!!!!! More than I paid for my opus! Its connector is the 2.5mm…….I would assume the Ebay one is the same. Facepalm

http://www.cheap-chargers.com/ac-adapter-12v-5a-60w-for-hitachi-compatib...

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ok,,,,,,,,,,,,I found a “supposed” new one on Amazon for $6.99,,,,,,,,,,,has to be a fake! What do you think?

The photo shows it is an “Upbright”, not a Hitachi/Delta. When it says “for XYZ” it means it is a generic/clone replacement compatible with XYZ.

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It is listed for .99 cents!!!! I guess that is an error!

The LITEON is in a multi-item listing. You need to choose the SMPS from the “Model” selection box.

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I want it to be 2.1mm NOT 2.5mm even if the latter fits, I am sure it would be losse.

Many 2.5mm barrels include a spring so they are also compatible with 2.1mm pins. If not you can buy an inexpensive adapter.

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ok,,,,,,,,,,,,I found a “supposed” new one on Amazon for $6.99,,,,,,,,,,,has to be a fake! What do you think?

The photo shows it is an “Upbright”, not a Hitachi/Delta. When it says “for XYZ” it means it is a generic/clone replacement compatible with XYZ.

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I want it to be 2.1mm NOT 2.5mm even if the latter fits, I am sure it would be losse.

Many 2.5mm barrels include a spring so they are also compatible with 2.1mm pins. If not you can buy an inexpensive adapter.

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It is listed for .99 cents!!!! I guess that is an error!

The LITEON is in a multi-item listing. You need to choose the SMPS from the “Model” selection box.

Ok,thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yes they do sell adapters Wolfdog!! Lets NOT complicate this!! Less than $3 on amazon. Keep it simple Wolfdog,just get one w/ a 2.1mm!!

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@ Gausse163

I need you to verify this Dr. Gausse!! I may change my mind again if you believe this is a winning combo!!!

If I get THIS:

https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-5-5mm-Connector-Female-Adapter/dp/B00MJU7N...

I want to make sure it will work in this recommendation of yours!:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-DC-Power-Supply-AC-DC-Adapter-Transformer-5A...

I already have 2 power cords. SUPERINGHT and the faulty SMPS one where they do not want it back,,,,,I guess shipping a faulty piece of junk would be more of a loss for them. No complaints,,,,,,free power cord and reimbursed in 3 hours!

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^^^ No, that’s the wrong conversion – enlarging the hole (which is far more commonly needed since you can’t plug a fat center pin into a skinny hole). Instead you need to shrink the hole. So the adapter’s center pin should be a fat 2.5mm, and it’s opposite hole should be a skinny 2.1mm. Often there is confusion about which connector is male and which is female, so you need to be careful. This listing makes it clear that it is the correct choice.

There’s a good chance you won’t need an adapter. Even if you don’t these common DC connector converters are useful to have around since eventually you may need one (both directions are useful, i.e shrinking and enlarging the hole).

Generally the fat 2.5mm center pins are used on higher power devices since their fatter pin better supports higher current. That you cannot plug a fat pin into a skinny hole means that you cannot connect a low power SMPS to a high-power device. This yields a primitive mechanical way to protect against SMPS overload (in addition to electrical protection built into the SMPS). This is the opposite of your case – connecting a high-power SMPS to a low-power device – which is fine.

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^^^ No, that’s the wrong conversion – enlarging the hole (which is far more commonly needed since you can’t plug a fat center pin into a skinny hole). Instead you need to shrink the hole. So the adapter’s center pin should be a fat 2.5mm, and it’s opposite hole should be a skinny 2.1mm. Often there is confusion about which connector is male and which is female, so you need to be careful. This listing makes it clear that it is the correct choice.

There’s a good chance you won’t need an adapter. Even if you don’t these common DC connector converters are useful to have around since eventually you may need one (both directions are useful, i.e shrinking and enlarging the hole).

OK,,,,,,,,,,,,Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,glad I asked. It is confusing because when I saw 5.5mm/2.5mm to 5.5mm to 2.1mm I thought it was right. the female/male part was what Screwed[!] me up!

Is Lite-on as good as Hitachi? I am glad the lite on is new.

Thanks Gausse,,,,Your intelligence is comparable to My Friend Dr. Eissler whose mom was from Germany!!,,,,,,,still a step behind from my 1/8 German and Italian people!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: GAUSSE,,,that adapetr is coming from China!!

Item location: guangzhou,guangdong, China Delivery: Estimated between Fri. May. 5 and Mon. Jun. 12

I need to find one in the USA!

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Is Lite-on as good as Hitachi? I am glad the lite on is new.

LITEON is a top-tier SMPS manufacturer, the OEM for many laptop SMPS (e.g. Dell), etc. The Hitachi is made by Delta, which is also top-tier. The Delta is probably older than the LITEON, but I can’t be sure since I see no markings that reveal its age.

If you bought either from DigiKey or Mouser they’d probably cost $40 or more shipped. A top-tier SMPS is a good investment since they will generally outlive you, and a medium-power 12V SMPS often proves handy.

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Is Lite-on as good as Hitachi? I am glad the lite on is new.

LITEON is a top-tier SMPS manufacturer, the OEM for many laptop SMPS (e.g. Dell), etc. The Hitachi is made by Delta, which is also top-tier. The Delta is probably older than the LITEON, but I can’t be sure since I see no markings that reveal its age.

If you bought either from DigiKey or Mouser they’d probably cost $40 or more shipped.

The Lite on is brand new.

EDIT: GAUSSE,,,that adapetr is coming from China!!

Item location: guangzhou,guangdong, China Delivery: Estimated between Fri. May. 5 and Mon. Jun. 12 Facepalm

I need to find one in the USA!

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EDIT: GAUSSE,,,that adapetr is coming from China!! I need to find one in the USA!

Why? As I said, there’s a good chance you won’t need it, and you can always use the SuperNight till then. You can probably find the 2.5 to 2.1 connector adapter in USA (if not on eBay then try DigiKey or Mouser).

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EDIT: GAUSSE,,,that adapetr is coming from China!! I need to find one in the USA!

Why? As I said, there’s a good chance you won’t need it, and you can always use the SuperNight till then. You can probably find the 2.5 to 2.1 connector adapter in USA (if not on eBay then try DigiKey or Mouser).

Ok Gausse!!!

I pulled the trigger on Both of them! I have my SUPERNIGHT to guide me through the night until they arrive!!

I found one place,,can not remember the name is was ~ $19 for 2 including shipping! Cash

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^^^ Good luck! Let me know how it turns out. You’ll probably quickly notice the difference in quality between the LITEON and the SuperNight SMPS. Also the Opus will probably live longer while connected to a higher-quality SMPS (e.g. less stress on its caps).

As for the ripoff pricing on the DC connector adapters, that is common in the US. Usually it is better to order them directly from China.

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Or you may try this: I have experimented with these years ago on my Opus. (for a more stable but overkill 12VDC)

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^^^ If anyone goes the above metal frame industrial SMPS route then I advise avoiding the dirt-cheap generic versions that are widely sold for LEDs etc. These can not only be unsafe but can be so poor quality that they may damage/degrade the Opus.

If on a budget then a better choice is a MeanWell (but beware fakes) and, if not, consider a higher quality manufacturer such as TDK-Lambda or Cosel.

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Got my LITE-ON SMPS Today. 12V/5.5A/66W. Works like a charm…..not even close to warm. Thumbs Up Supernight demoted to back up.

Thank you Settimio for recommending it. Qui Riposa in Pace. Wink

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Nice!! Can you put a link to where you got it Wolfdog please.
Was the barrel plug the right size or did you get an adapter?
Thanks for your research & testing on this. Smile

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Sorry,,can not provide the info,,,u never answered my email!!!!! Evil

I do not have the adapters yet. However, it fits fine,,,,you can barely tell it is slightly bigger. Adapter really is not needed but since I ordered a few I will probably us them. Mr. Opus is happy.

Settimio told me about it. $10.45 ,,3 days from Calif. to Suburban Philly. Thumbs Up

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391689318983

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Crap……. I forgot. Facepalm
I’ll get right on that. .. cause it was a good one! Big Smile

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
Sorry,,can not provide the info,,,u never answered my email!!!!! Evil

I do not have the adapters yet. However, it fits fine,,,,you can barely tell it is slightly bigger. Adapter really is not needed but since I ordered a few I will probably us them. Mr. Opus is happy.

Settimio told me about it. $10.45 ,,3 days from Calif. to Suburban Philly. Thumbs Up

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391689318983

can you no longer buy from Ebay without an account??

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
Got my LITE-ON SMPS Today. 12V/5.5A/66W. Works like a charm…..not even close to warm. Thumbs Up Supernight demoted to back up. […]. I do not have the adapters yet. However, it fits fine,,,,you can barely tell it is slightly bigger. Adapter really is not needed but since I ordered a few I will probably us them. Mr. Opus is happy.

Thank you Settimio for recommending it. Qui Riposa in Pace. Wink

Great! Glad to hear the LITEON worked well – as I surmised. It is esp. good news that the 2.5 vs. 2.1mm pin hole proved not to be an issue (usually this is true, but when it’s not it can sometimes be a royal PITA).

Given the high-quality and the extra power it should not even break a sweat powering the Opus. It will likely have a very long life, and may also extend the life of the Opus (vs. using a dirt-cheap generic SMPS).

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wdkingery wrote:
wolfdog1226 wrote:
Sorry,,can not provide the info,,,u never answered my email!!!!! Evil

I do not have the adapters yet. However, it fits fine,,,,you can barely tell it is slightly bigger. Adapter really is not needed but since I ordered a few I will probably us them. Mr. Opus is happy.

Settimio told me about it. $10.45 ,,3 days from Calif. to Suburban Philly. Thumbs Up

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391689318983

can you no longer buy from Ebay without an account??

My guess is that you would need to have an account to order from them, I do not know for sure.

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Crap……. I forgot. Facepalm I’ll get right on that. .. cause it was a good one! Big Smile
If you decide to get barrel connector adapters I would recommend the ones below. They are at a right angle which saves me room because my Fenix ARE-C2 is right in front of the Opus.

Plus its arrival date is anywhere b/w 10 and 26 days earlier than the first Two I got which are straight. I could get mine next week. These are coming from China like the first two I ordered.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172544489681

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can you no longer buy from Ebay without an account??

The item and seller appear to meet the rules for buying as a guest.

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
Got my LITE-ON SMPS Today. 12V/5.5A/66W. Works like a charm…..not even close to warm. Thumbs Up Supernight demoted to back up.

Thank you Settimio for recommending it. Qui Riposa in Pace. Wink

!{width:60%}https://s19.postimg.org/hu3d73k1v/LITE-_ON33.jpg!

Keep in mind, Wolfdog1226/Capolini and others that the Inside temp. was:

EDIT: It is 84F outside and 77F in my condo. The SUPERNIGHT MAX TEMP. was 94F.

The indoor temp for yesterdays initial test was 67F and today is 66F. The Lite-on has the pleasure of being in 10 and 11 degree cooler testing environment.

With that said, I doubt if the Lite-on would reach 94F under the same circumstances as the Supernight in 77F degree flashlight laboratory temperatures! Wink

My 4 X 18650 Orbtronics are at 3.70V now,,charging after the discharge test. The external temp. of the Lite-on is 68F. The peak temp is ~ 4.10v .I will re check it then.

ALL in all this is not a fair test until Flashlight laboratory is the same temp. for the Lite-on! It does give an indication that Lite-on is working well and not under stress! Cool

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Since the room temperatures have been different. This is the Only comparison I can give.

Test: SMPS Max external Temperature when charging 4 X 18650 3400mah

Starting Voltage: 2.80v immediately after Discharge/Test
Ending Voltage: 4.20V

Participants: Supernight 12V/5A/60W…….Lite-on 12V/5.5A/66W

Supernight
Indoor temperature- 77F/25C
Max external temp.-94F/34C
Difference:17F/9C

Lite-on
Indoor temperature:66F/19C
Max external temp.-69F/20C
Difference:3F/1C

When The temperature reaches 77F/25C in my condo I will do another test w/ the Lite-on. MY guess is that its external temperature will not exceed 84F/29C. Cool

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