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XM-L Color RGBW Flashlights

I was just wondering what XM-L Color RGBW flashlights are available out there. I found a couple on Aliexpress today that are cheaper to buy than what it would cost to make if you bought the LED, driver and host. Other than the Eagletac D25LC2, what other XM-L color lights are out there?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/RA-601ZOOM-5-mode-CREE-XM-L-RGBW-4-color-in-1-LED-red-blue-green/32251842424.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/RA-601REF-5-mode-CREE-XM-L-RGBW-4-color-in-1-LED-red-blue-green/32251834777.html

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Those Randar lights are pretty solid with nice anodizing. They are a good bang for the buck. I have their RA-601 and RA-602 with XM-L2. They run close to 3amps. I prefer their non focus zoom versions.

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these look like nice offerings….

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$24 is a good price to start with if you want to experiment on color XM-L. Already ordered 2 Radar 601/ 602 lights last month. Cannot wait to upgrade them Smile

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freeme wrote:

$24 is a good price to start with if you want to experiment on color XM-L. Already ordered 2 Radar 601/ 602 lights last month. Cannot wait to upgrade them Smile

$26 if you want a reflector. (The $24 model is a zoomie.) The price looks right for these, especially if it’s a quality host as phsinvent recently reported on those other Randar flashlights.

The anodizing looks like it’s prone to chipping based on the AliExpress pictures. That’s not really the end of the world or uncommon even on decent lights. I find the styling a little … elaborate, but I can probably get used to it. Wink I do own an SK68, so I really have no room to complain. Silly

Even in QTY=1000, Mouser / DigiKey charge approximately $7/ea for the bare XM-L Color. ~$14 for singles before shipping is figured in. Here at street level we can pay around $9/ea from China in singles on MCPCB or $6/ea in QTY=5 (again from China on MCPCB).

I’m assuming that these lights have a driver similar to the one MTN and IOS carry, the MCE color and dynamic white ones.

FWIW if we figure the XM-L Color on 20mm PCBah, I see we have a more rare fish here, the 16mm PCB.. Anyway, if we value the mounted emitter at $9 and the reflector host at $14 and the driver at $0… We come up in the red by $3. OTOH if we place any value on the 16mm PCB, driver, remote pressure switch, or the pre-assembled nature of the light (;)).. we’re back in the black! (after all, the least one can pay for an XM-L color mounted on a 16mm MCPCB is $12.49 before shipping from MTN, so that’s already put you at least $0.49 in the black. Nice.)

Thanks for posting this Jubeldum! I’m tempted.

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XM-L color on 20mm can be as low as $7.5/pc (no bulk required) if you know where to find. I cannot comment on the driver as I do not own one. $24 is still a good price as every come pre-assembled. No need to waste time figuring up the wire configuration. That breaks down to $9.65 for the host (including assembly fee). 

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$24 is a good price to start with if you want to experiment on color XM-L. Already ordered 2 Radar 601/ 602 lights last month. Cannot wait to upgrade them Smile

$26 if you want a reflector. (The $24 model is a zoomie.) The price looks right for these, especially if it's a quality host as phsinvent recently reported on those other Randar flashlights. The anodizing looks like it's prone to chipping based on the AliExpress pictures. That's not really the end of the world or uncommon even on decent lights. I find the styling a little ... elaborate, but I can probably get used to it. Wink I do own an SK68, so I really have no room to complain. Silly Even in QTY=1000, Mouser / DigiKey charge approximately $7/ea for the _bare_ XM-L Color. ~$14 for singles before shipping is figured in. Here at street level we can pay around $9/ea from China in singles on MCPCB or $6/ea in QTY=5 (again from China on MCPCB). I'm assuming that these lights have a driver similar to the one MTN and IOS carry, the "MCE color and dynamic white":http://intl-outdoor.com/mce-color-and-dynamic-white-17mm-driver-p-686.html ones. FWIW if we figure the XM-L Color on 20mm PCB... _ah, I see we have a more rare fish here,_ the 16mm PCB.. Anyway, if we value the mounted emitter at $9 and the reflector host at $14 and the driver at $0... We come up in the red by $3. OTOH if we place _any_ value on the 16mm PCB, driver, remote pressure switch, or the pre-assembled nature of the light (;)).. we're back in the black! (after all, the _least_ one can pay for an XM-L color mounted on a 16mm MCPCB is $12.49 before shipping from MTN, so that's already put you at least $0.49 in the black. Nice.) Thanks for posting this Jubeldum! I'm tempted.

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FWIW I haven’t seen them for less than $8.39 shipped. eBay listings have them for $7.40, but with $0.99 USD shipping. The only reason I mentioned RMM’s ‘unshipped’ price was because some buyers may combine orders from that shop.

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I’m tempted too but I already got a host coming (sitting in customs in Chicago) and have plans on a CK driver. Besides that, the credit card bill came the other day and the Mrs isn’t too pleased. Big Smile

Maybe I’ll snag one up in the future after one of you gents do a review on these. Wink

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These really look good! Beware that you get the XM-L colour in it, I found exactly the same flashlight with a generic chinese RGBW led ! And one with a MC-E colour (but that one is actually not so bad).

I'd be curious about how the driver is build, the drive currents and UI

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if its xml its good deal.

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Does anyone have links to RBGW zoomie reviews, build threads, etc? I’m liking the zoomie a little more now that I think about it, but I’m still not convinced. Smile

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How to differentiate a real CREE from Chinese version?

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These really look good! Beware that you get the XM-L colour in it, I found exactly the same flashlight with a generic chinese RGBW led ! And one with a MC-E colour (but that one is actually not so bad).

I'd be curious about how the driver is build, the drive currents and UI

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How to differentiate a real CREE from Chinese version?
Oh you’ll know…

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Those are quite easy to identify. Same format as their UV led.

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How to differentiate a real CREE from Chinese version?
Oh you'll know... !{height:400px; width:400px}http://photo.jesusthepirate.com/blf/misc/generic_chinese_RGBW.jpg!:http:...

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The description on says both models have 30mm lenses. If that zoomie is close enough size to the TrustFire Z6, then maybe it can use the AHorton 27.2 mm aspherical lens. We wont know until someone buys it and does a review for us. Wink

Now who is going to be our Mikey?

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The description on says both models have 30mm lenses. If that zoomie is close enough size to the TrustFire Z6, then maybe it can use the AHorton 27.2 mm aspherical lens. We wont know until someone buys it and does a review for us. Wink
Grrr. If I don’t get one then I have to explain why I’m sitting on all these ahorton lenses… Sad

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wight wrote:
Does anyone have links to RBGW zoomie reviews, build threads, etc? I'm liking the zoomie a little more now that I think about it, but I'm still not convinced. :)

This is a link to a build tyread of a MC-E colour in a sk68 that I did two years ago, the fun is essentially the same as with the XM-L colour (I know because I made a XM-L colour zoomie too, but never posted about it). There's even video in this thread Smile  :

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/18172

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wight wrote:
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The description on says both models have 30mm lenses. If that zoomie is close enough size to the TrustFire Z6, then maybe it can use the AHorton 27.2 mm aspherical lens. We wont know until someone buys it and does a review for us. Wink
Grrr. If I don’t get one then I have to explain why I’m sitting on all these ahorton lenses… Sad

Don’t think about it too long. The Chinese New Year is approaching. I would order one but I have to wait until the next credit card cycle before I can buy anything because the Mrs thinks my flashlight addiction was getting out of hand. Shocked

In the mean time, I got several tracking numbers to check every day to keep me occupied. Big Smile

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@ Alex – a couple of zoomie XML-Color builds

my TF26650 with 30mm lens (just screwing around, not a flashlight I use for anything) http://budgetlightforum.com/node/35207

Matt’s HD2010 aspheric (using my driver and his awesome machining in a non zooming host- fully focused all the time) http://budgetlightforum.com/node/35222

@ everyone else, I have requested review samples of both, I sited my collection of RGBW light’s as why they should let me review them, I believe it’s the largest collection of RGBW light’s anyone has (here and at CPF). I have 14 at last count, about 1/2 and 1/2 stock vs. my own builds.

BTW, tho it wont be tomorrow or even this week (or next) I will be releasing my RGBW_Clicky FW soon (as in by this spring) and the driver has been open source since day one (it will also operate on Mattaus’s 7135 based 17mm board as is), I’ve made some changed to still retain a proprietary aspect for my own builds but the version I plan to release has the main white modes (with red moon mode) as well as the 3 individual color ramps! The source code will be released so anyone (who get’s setup with a $20 PICkit3 and some blank 12F617’s) can mod it to their need’s. with the final color spectrum fade and stunner strobe modes removed there is less that 70% of the memory used so plenty of room for customization.

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I just received a XP-E 20mm alu version of this zoomie. Shelf is semi-hollow, with ~7mm dia opening right in the center. Strangely, I almost kill my emitter even at 1.9~2A.

Finishing is average like Ultrafire F13. Light is not really usable in stock form imo.

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Skilhunt has an XML color headlamp, that is out now.

http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_131035.html

They contacted me to review it, and I’m finishing it up. Should have the video review up in about two days.

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mhanlen wrote:
Skilhunt has an XML color headlamp, that is out now. http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_131035.html They contacted me to review it, and I'm finishing it up. Should have the video review up in about two days.

RGBW lamps are hot at the moment, not sure why but they are a lot of fun Smile

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mhanlen wrote:
Skilhunt has an XML color headlamp, that is out now.

http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_131035.html

They contacted me to review it, and I’m finishing it up. Should have the video review up in about two days.

… looking forward to this colorful review!

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Those Randar lights are pretty solid with nice anodizing. They are a good bang for the buck. I have their RA-601 and RA-602 with XM-L2. They run close to 3amps. I prefer their non focus zoom versions.

Does it have a solid pill of hollow pill?

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The regular reflector has a solid pill. The zoomie appears to have a hole below the led star.

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This is what I got. Not sure it is the same for all 601Z.

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I would say that the crappy design is limited to the zoom version. The 601 and 602 regular reflector do not have that hole.

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It looks like Klarus has updated their RS20 so that the side now uses XM-L color led. (But most vendor sites that that I looked at just now still list the previous RS20 with the ‘switchable’ led).
http://www.klaruslight.com/plist_show.php?id=142&lge=en

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Which one can be driven harder, MCE or XML color?

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Which one can be driven harder, MCE or XML color?

mce is rated for 700mA, xml for 1A. the die projection in zoomies is better with the mce though.

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Thanks, I also saw a post in another thread where the XML was cranked up past 2 amps. 2 amps looks like the point before diminishing returns assuming good heat sinking. Maybe…

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