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RE: Chinese Ontario RAT-18868 Folding Knives? I think I want one for $19

I bought one and found them to be a fair copy but they are abit larger and heavier than the real rat1’s, if you do not have one of the real rats then they are ok, otherwise you will be disapointed. While i do not regret buying the knife i will buy acouple more of the originals esee made ones as my spares enough said.

before anyone asks

real RAT Model 1 Weight: 5 oz 142g

copy RAT Model 1 Weight: 6.5 or 184g

blade length was 2mm longer the metal parts of the handle were 0.23mm thicker

I will repeat it is not a bad knife just does not feel like the real deal, but as a beater very good for the money

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I have a Damascus blade or two, that I don’t use much. It would be nice to have one with a really big difference in layer composition, like stainless and tool steel, so one could restore the pattern easily after sharpening it.

I read that originally, before modern knives and 20th century gun barrels, Damascus was a way of controlling carbon content, like (decoction?) mixing boiling and cold wort to reach an exact temperature, making beer. They put strips of wrought iron in a vessel and poured in cast iron, then worked it long enough to reach a more uniform carbon concentration. At that time Europeans never intentionally melted iron. The whole process was done with charcoal, hammer and anvil. Carbon was added by holding hot metal among the burning charcoal, or reduced by holding it above the fire. Pattern welded swords, like what we now call “Damascus” were made in medieval Europe in the same period.

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AUS8A will be very close to 440C. Both AUS8 and AUS8A has vanadium. AUS8A is different only in that it has been anneale.

quote=downlinx]Sorry I was thinking of aus-8A steel, which has vanadium inlaid into it.[/quote]

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ZDP189 also has some other elements in small amounts that don’t seem to be on the graph.

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It is odd that the three alloys on the far right in those graphs have drastically different composition and very similar properties. Maybe there is something left out about the last one, ZDP189/CowryX, as why would it do so well with only iron, carbon and chromium.

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I would worry more about the quality and consistency of the heat treatments, Schrade for example has had problems in this area recently with batches of there SCHF3N having there tips snapping off etc.

Boker for uses 440c alot and Buck uses 420 stainless alot with few issues. You don’t like a steel fine stay away from it, don’t like 420 avoid buck, gerber and falkniven to name afew.

My favorite complaint i see on forums is whinging and whining about there stainless steel rusting, it is stainless morons, you bought it learn about it’s proper care and maintenance of your tools. I had one of my elan knives rust on me because i forgot it and left it in my fishing tackle box after fishing from rocks and gutting mackerel. My fault not the knifes or the makers, but mine.

There are several types of stainless steel that can take years in salt water before rusting, 8cr13mov is not one of them.

You pretty much get what you pay for in this world.

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Since I have no long term results to report - only been doing this with my firearms for 2 years and my knives for 6 months - I can only recommend a quick process which will, I believe, help all of us to maintain the finishes of our steel (coated or not).

Renaissance Wax, a gentle micro-crystalline coating which was developed, and is used by, fine museums worldwide ON ALL SURFACES.  Search any gun forum and you'll find the plaudits.  Yes, it is expensive, but I was shocked at the number of surfaces (metal, plastic and wooden) it covers with barely the tiniest amount of product.  No strong chemical odors - I apply it with my fingers to have the warmth "melt" it into the surfaces.  No concerns about having the wax accidentally lap onto (and contaminate) any unintended surfaces.

I apply it to all visible knife surfaces - even coated and damascus blades - and clean surfaces I expose when disassembling knives.

Since I have no financial interest whatsoever in the product, I'll stop here.

[But WOW, you should see the surfaces of my gunstocks and barrel/receivers!]

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I’m in the tropics most of the year and 400 yards from the sea at that. I typically have a pocket knife in S30V and I can get those to spot with rust in one day just from sweat. I also carry plain carbon machetes and tool steel blades like M4, S7, 52100, and D2. I also use H1 steel which is almost zero maintenance.

I don’t have a problem with rust. I rinse and dry my blades after use. I keep mineral oil handy and wipe a bit on the blade after I have dried it. I do the same thing with my tools. Mineral oil is cheap and when I can’t find any, I use baby oil. Yes, my hands are lovely soft. Wink

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Following the Ganzo G720-OR that I got a few weeks ago that was very well made I thought I’d give the G717-OR a try.
These two are my only two orange knives unless you count several Opinels, different and not easy to lose.

First impressions, all three 7 series Ganzos that I have, G712, G720-OR and G717-OR (G704-BL on order) plus 6xG620s are all different, ignoring the 620’s as they are linerlock, lighter built and A/O. My 7 series all have a different feel to the action, it’s as though there are several makers involved. The G712 is stiff to operate, the G720 is well made with very close tolerances on blade centring but it feels as if there is a “lump” on the knife tang, only when closing it seems to hang up then as you close the blade further it really snaps shut. I’ll get round to stripping and examining the tang at some future time. This spoils an otherwise perfect (for me) knife. That has been my impression of Ganzo so far – patchy quality control.

So on to the G717-OR,
Blade 85mm, 3.5mm thick, very sharp 440Csteel, ~58HRC stonewashed with a slightly rounded spine – nice touch, also nicely rounded tips on the thumbstuds.
Scales orange G10 machined with an unevenly spaced Anso pattern. Adequate relief to get to the thumbstuds.
Pocket clip right or left side tip up only.
Weight 152g
Axis lock smooth and with a good lock-up by my standards, (greased and opened and closed about a dozen times then a couple of taps against the spine – no problems), and enough for the lock to move up to 3mm as it beds in and wears.
Easy opening and closing.

The best of the trio is by far the G717, well built and easy to operate with nice attention to detail. For $18.95 delivered from FastTech a very good budget option.

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The Burgh wrote:

Since I have no long term results to report – only been doing this with my firearms for 2 years and my knives for 6 months – I can only recommend a quick process which will, I believe, help all of us to maintain the finishes of our steel (coated or not).

Renaissance Wax, a gentle micro-crystalline coating which was developed, and is used by, fine museums worldwide ON ALL SURFACES.  Search any gun forum and you’ll find the plaudits.  Yes, it is expensive, but I was shocked at the number of surfaces (metal, plastic and wooden) it covers with barely the tiniest amount of product.  No strong chemical odors – I apply it with my fingers to have the warmth “melt” it into the surfaces.  No concerns about having the wax accidentally lap onto (and contaminate) any unintended surfaces.

I apply it to all visible knife surfaces – even coated and damascus blades – and clean surfaces I expose when disassembling knives.

Since I have no financial interest whatsoever in the product, I’ll stop here.

[But WOW, you should see the surfaces of my gunstocks and barrel/receivers!]

I’ll second the use of Renaissance Wax, an absolutely superb product that I use before storing any of my knives, sheaths, any wooden scaled or made knives like Opinels or Enlan EL-01D even a Japanese Tanto with wooden Saya.

Not exactly cheap to buy but a 200ml tin is still half full after 5 years use.

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RE: Chinese Ontario RAT-18868 Folding Knives? I think I want one for $19
I bought one and found them to be a fair copy but they are abit larger and heavier than the real rat1’s, if you do not have one of the real rats then they are ok, otherwise you will be disapointed. While i do not regret buying the knife i will buy acouple more of the originals esee made ones as my spares enough said.
before anyone asks
real RAT Model 1 Weight: 5 oz 142g
copy RAT Model 1 Weight: 6.5 or 184g
blade length was 2mm longer the metal parts of the handle were 0.23mm thicker
I will repeat it is not a bad knife just does not feel like the real deal, but as a beater very good for the money

Thank you very much for your info.
2mm longer are nice for me Smile
I am forced to buy the copy because don’t want pay the double price for the original (30$ +o- on amazon and 55/60 euro + 8/10 euro shipping here in Italy :~ ). It’s absurd!

But, from wich shops on Aliexpress? From 19$ or the model from 24$ ? Thank a lot!

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RE: Chinese Ontario RAT-18868 Folding Knives? I think I want one for $19
I bought one and found them to be a fair copy but they are abit larger and heavier than the real rat1’s, if you do not have one of the real rats then they are ok, otherwise you will be disapointed. While i do not regret buying the knife i will buy acouple more of the originals esee made ones as my spares enough said.
before anyone asks
real RAT Model 1 Weight: 5 oz 142g
copy RAT Model 1 Weight: 6.5 or 184g
blade length was 2mm longer the metal parts of the handle were 0.23mm thicker
I will repeat it is not a bad knife just does not feel like the real deal, but as a beater very good for the money

Thank you very much for your info.
2mm longer are nice for me Smile
I am forced to buy the copy because don’t want pay the double price for the original (30$ +o- on amazon and 55/60 euro + 8/10 euro shipping here in Italy :~ ). It’s absurd!

But, from wich shops on Aliexpress? From 19$ or the model from 24$ ? Thank a lot!

US $24.99 is the one i got
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My SanRenMu 9063 arrived from FastTech today in a plain white box. Probably the most uninteresting picture on BLF. Silly

Completely devoid of markings.

What you do get is the Real Steel E963 – a $35 knife, (or $30 at FT with Real Steel markings) un-badged for $16. Real Steel sell different coloured scales for the E963 for $10 plus postage.
On their website they reckon they only have Orange, Dark Green or Blue left. No Tan, Bright Green or Red. Sad
These scales should fit the SRM9063 with no problem.

As it comes, with black scales it’s a great knife – a SanRenMu GB-763 on steroids but without the Axis lock.
It’s drilled liners keep the weight down to 128g or 4.5oz, not too bad for an 88mm blade this deep.

An excellent quality knife for $16, mine needed nothing doing to it – opens quick and smooth with a secure, no play, lock-up. Perfectly centred blade and it even keeps the bottle opener from the 763/7063 series.

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US $24.99 is the one i got

Thank you very much Smile

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a SanRenMu GB-763 on steroids but without the Axis lock.

That’s right Steve!
But now I really dont know what to buy between “normal” 763 or this on steroids Big Smile

Oh shit, I like too much knives!!! To many money to spend!!! :bigsmile: :_(

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US $24.99 is the one i got

Thank you very much Smile

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a SanRenMu GB-763 on steroids but without the Axis lock.

That’s right Steve!
But now I really dont know what to buy between “normal” 763 or this on steroids Big Smile

Oh shit, I like too much knives!!! To many money to spend!!! :bigsmile: :_(

If it helps any the SRM 7063AUC-LI

and the 7063LUC-LI

are both very good, the Axis lock on these is like the ones on the older GB – black G10, GA – tan G10 and LB – Aluminium 763s that is one of the best Axis locks that China produces, nothing needs doing to the Ω springs to make them comfortable to use.
The LUC liner locks are very smooth as well. I have the blue pair same as above but there are other colours.
Both use aluminium for the frames and scales and are solidly built. Blade length is 68mm.


The 9063 linerlock is quite plain looking with black G10 scales over stainless liners, overall they keep the shape of the smaller knife but the 88mm blade is a nice feature. Smile If they produced a tan scaled model like the Real Steel one I’d be spending next month’s knife money on that. The $8 postage takes the total for the different coloured scales from Real Steel (for the Real Steel E963) up to $17.95, I’d rather have another SRM9063 for that price and try changing the scales myself from some material that I have.
The 9063 is a top quality knife for $16, a budget gem. All of them have the bottle opener as well. Wink Beer

Edit…..BTW

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US $24.99 is the one i got
The vendor that the RAT1 is from, DongCheng Outdoors Co. Ltd., I have bought several knives from, no problems with them as vendors or the quality of knives. One of their own brand knives, the DC-A4 has been on my “To Buy” list for a while now.
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I will compare (in a short review) the SRM9063 and the RealSteel 963, but I have to wait for the SRM (ordered it in the Spring festival time period).

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The vendor that the RAT1 is from, DongCheng Outdoors Co. Ltd., I have bought several knives from, no problems with them as vendors or the quality of knives. One of their own brand knives, the DC-A4 has been on my “To Buy” list for a while now.

Steve your mention of DC-A4 caught my attention because I’ve been looking at a DC-A1 for quite a while (SOG branded) I really like the looks of it but was unsure about the quality would be, and I wondered if it might be produced by Ganzo or SRM. There is also a SOG branded DC-A2

After looking at the DC-A4 at DongCheng Outdoor store I realize the DC stands for “Dong Cheng”.

Now I’m wondering if these SOG branded DC’s are DongCheng’s own brand marked SOG, since they definitely aren’t SOG copies and I’ve never seen them anywhere else. Although 2 other stores sell the DC-A1, (EDC GEAR and camping home), both show DongCheng tagged photos, so maybe those are also DongCheng stores?

I’ll link the DC-A1 with photo in a new post.

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I really like this one, anyone have it or know anything about it?

$16.54 (click on photo for link to aliexpress store):

(photo from a Chinese website ):

Too bad the lanyard hole is a paracord cutter!

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8steve88 wrote:
Manx wrote:
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US $24.99 is the one i got

Thank you very much Smile

Quote:
a SanRenMu GB-763 on steroids but without the Axis lock.

That’s right Steve!
But now I really dont know what to buy between “normal” 763 or this on steroids Big Smile

Oh shit, I like too much knives!!! To many money to spend!!! :bigsmile: :_(

If it helps any the SRM 7063AUC-LI

and the 7063LUC-LI

are both very good, the Axis lock on these is like the ones on the older GB – black G10, GA – tan G10 and LB – Aluminium 763s that is one of the best Axis locks that China produces, nothing needs doing to the Ω springs to make them comfortable to use.
The LUC liner locks are very smooth as well. I have the blue pair same as above but there are other colours.
Both use aluminium for the frames and scales and are solidly built. Blade length is 68mm.


The 9063 linerlock is quite plain looking with black G10 scales over stainless liners, overall they keep the shape of the smaller knife but the 88mm blade is a nice feature. Smile If they produced a tan scaled model like the Real Steel one I’d be spending next month’s knife money on that. The $8 postage takes the total for the different coloured scales from Real Steel (for the Real Steel E963) up to $17.95, I’d rather have another SRM9063 for that price and try changing the scales myself from some material that I have.
The 9063 is a top quality knife for $16, a budget gem. All of them have the bottle opener as well. Wink Beer

Edit…..BTW

Quote:
US $24.99 is the one i got
The vendor that the RAT1 is from, DongCheng Outdoors Co. Ltd., I have bought several knives from, no problems with them as vendors or the quality of knives. One of their own brand knives, the DC-A4 has been on my “To Buy” list for a while now.

And it has a detail the 9063, the bottle opener is a round cut that engage on the pivot retention better than any knife o have (plain steel on a rounded pivot vs rounded steel on a rounded pívot), this does a stronger knife becayse avoid deformation on the pivot steel like do cold steel on their lsrger knives like vaquero/voyayer…

I am tempted for the srm 9063, i have too many knives, too many knives… :bigsmile:

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I just ordered this one, couldn’t help myself. Ebony wood handles on a 440 blade, it’s small…only a 2 1/4” blade. But the style is so elegant and it was only $10.40 shipped!

I discovered a site called GP Knives. They have a lot of semi-custom blades from African makers and such. Some gorgeous works and really nice prices. Gonna get a fixed blade of one of those, probably with that desert burl wood, beautiful stuff! I’ve got a “NEED” for a damascus blade. Don’t have one. Must acquire…

Edit: a link to the Ebony Buck mini on Ali Express

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wolf359 wrote:

I bought one and found them to be a fair copy but they are abit larger and heavier than the real rat1’s, if you do not have one of the real rats then they are ok, otherwise you will be disapointed. While i do not regret buying the knife i will buy acouple more of the originals esee made ones as my spares enough said.

before anyone asks

real RAT Model 1 Weight: 5 oz 142g

copy RAT Model 1 Weight: 6.5 or 184g

blade length was 2mm longer the metal parts of the handle were 0.23mm thicker

I will repeat it is not a bad knife just does not feel like the real deal, but as a beater very good for the money

Sounds like you have both a real RAT 1 and the aliexpress clone? The Real RAT 1 has Nylon handles but the aliexpress clones show G10 in the description. Can you compare with the real one and report the difference and if the aliexpress clone actually has G10 handle material?

I can get a real RAT 1 locally for $25, same price as most clones on aliexpress (although there are a few for $19.99) I’d like one in G10 instead of nylon.
Either way I going to get one of the clones too because I’d also like a Fluorescent green one and I don’t think Ontario makes it.

For the black G10 I may just save up for the RAT 1A (Assisted opening & G10 scales)

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Here’s a photo I found comparing the real RAT-1 to a China knock off:
(China clone is the larger green one on top – real RAT-1 is the tan one below it, other 3 are ESEE Avispa & Zancudo)

(both photos found on bladeforums)
Notice the RAT-1 clone is marked RAT model 3, which is actually a fixed blade knife.
I really like the drop point blade shape on the ESEE and it’s framelock may be stronger than the linerlock on the RAT, but for that you give up having handle scales on both sides, for me it’s a tough decision between the ESEE and the RAT.

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DBCstm wrote:
I just ordered this one, couldn’t help myself. Ebony wood handles on a 440 blade, it’s small…only a 2 1/4” blade. But the style is so elegant and it was only $10.40 shipped!

I discovered a site called GP Knives. They have a lot of semi-custom blades from African makers and such. Some gorgeous works and really nice prices. Gonna get a fixed blade of one of those, probably with that desert burl wood, beautiful stuff! I’ve got a “NEED” for a damascus blade. Don’t have one. Must acquire…

Edit: a link to the Ebony Buck mini on Ali Express


That looks really nice! But the handle seems small. I like ebony and am ordering that same one. It says “440C 58HRC” in the description and 440 on the knife. It doesn’t say where it is made in the description, but I it says China on the knife.
GPKnives doesn’t seem to have anything budget.

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I really like this one, anyone have it or know anything about it?

$16.54 (click on photo for link to aliexpress store):

(photo from a Chinese website ):

Too bad the lanyard hole is a paracord cutter!

Is it just me or is that a CRK knife’s profile? I like it.

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lekvar wrote:
beam0 wrote:
I really like this one, anyone have it or know anything about it?

$16.54 (click on photo for link to aliexpress store):

(photo from a Chinese website ):

Too bad the lanyard hole is a paracord cutter!

Is it just me or is that a CRK knife’s profile? I like it.

A lot more CRK profile than the SanRenMu 710 that was called a Sebenza rip-off. Smile

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beam0 wrote:
I really like this one, anyone have it or know anything about it?

$16.54 (click on photo for link to aliexpress store):

(photo from a Chinese website ):

Too bad the lanyard hole is a paracord cutter!

The lanyard hole is further back lined with a tube I think. The larger hole looks like the wtf hole on the Sebenza (wtf in this case stands for what’s that for. :bigsmile: )

I’ve certainly not seen a SOG of that design before.

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DBCstm wrote:
I just ordered this one, couldn’t help myself. Ebony wood handles on a 440 blade, it’s small…only a 2 1/4” blade. But the style is so elegant and it was only $10.40 shipped!

I discovered a site called GP Knives. They have a lot of semi-custom blades from African makers and such. Some gorgeous works and really nice prices. Gonna get a fixed blade of one of those, probably with that desert burl wood, beautiful stuff! I’ve got a “NEED” for a damascus blade. Don’t have one. Must acquire…

Edit: a link to the Ebony Buck mini on Ali Express

I have an Elk Ridge branded knife, although some might think them not up to par I’ve had zero problems with mine the few times I’ve had need of it it performed well.

8¾” blade full tang. Elk Ridge definitely China Made.

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I just bought one of those “Buck” Minis. I might be fond of my Cold Steel knives, but I still like a nice little knife.

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I guess the definition of “budget” varies widely. GP Knives has a lot of very nice blades from quite a few custom makers. When you can get a well made knife with a top blade steel for under $200, in many cases $120-140, to me that’s budget. Sure, there are also $6500 knives there, which makes the sub $200 knives look like quick grabs. Wink

The exotic woods, giraffe bone, warthog tusk, water buffalo hide sheaths… some gorgeous work on those blades and a great many are priced very attractively.

Wouldn’t you know the one single blade on the entire site that I feel I MUST have is out of stock?

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Thank you very much Steve, for your precious help!! Smile

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I will compare (in a short review) the SRM9063 and the RealSteel 963, but I have to wait for the SRM (ordered it in the Spring festival time period).

We will wait, thank you! Smile

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Hey guys, I’m really digging the looks of the Boker Kwaiken, especially the flipper version. I like the shape of it. Is there something similar to this in the budget realm?

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bgyen wrote:
Hey guys, I’m really digging the looks of the Boker Kwaiken, especially the flipper version. I like the shape of it. Is there something similar to this in the budget realm?

Somewhat similar shape but may not be considered budget at $35 is the CRKT Heiho:

I own one of these and it’s a beautiful knife and excellent quality, extremely sharp out of the box. Slight tanto shape blade and no flipper but it has the OUTBURST Assisted Opening system. (I paid nearly $50 for mine with no regrets so $35 is a great deal)

It’s the little brother of the all black CRKT Hissatsu Folder (which is about the same size as the Kwaiken)
An even larger similar shape knife is the CRKT Otanashi noh Ken But that ones only about $10 less than the Kwaiken.

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There is also a Heiho version with Veff Serrations seems to have less of a tanto style blade shape

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