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The Belarusian Navaja is almost identical to one of the most Iconic South African knives, the Okapi.

Beam me up!

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nice!

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Yep, the future of knife enthusiasts in Canada is looking pretty dark…
Last year, CBSA revised their memorandum to include flipper knives to their list of prohibited weapons, but get that, only the good flippers that can actually flip, crappy flippers that didn’t open all the way are OK. This year, they extended their reach to pretty much any decent knife that can be flipped open by any mean. I guess we’re left with slip joints and lock backs :$

Just to make things clear that were wrongly written in the article, it is NOT the Canadian law that changed. This law has been the same for decades and is actually quite simple and short. Knives prohibited in Canada by the Canadian Criminal code are basically balisongs, switchblades or OTFs and push daggers, pretty short list.
What ACTUALLY changed is CBSA (Canada Customs) interpretation of the law to include whatever they want.

Here’s a couple of good videos about this from fellow Canadian Youtubers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iC21v5bFvI&t=164s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqWIWGxp8Bc&t=3s

CBSA consistently changes their Memorandum (CBSA-only interpretation of the law) as they see fit and unfortunately for us Canadians knife-nuts, not many Canadians give a sh*t.
For example, last year, CBSA seized a couple of Ganzos from me under being centrifugal. To be clear, the centrifugal law was created to ban balisongs, not axis-lock folders.
They also seized a TwoSun TS-40 under being ….. wait for it …. an automatic knife! yes that’s right, and that was last year when they were mostly targeting flippers. Now, with this new change, any knife that you can open one-handed into locking position with or without a “flick of the wrist” as they call it, can be denied entry to the country. It doesn’t mean it’s illegal as you are able to purchase the exact same knife here at regular stores (at premium Canadian prices) and no cop will ever tell you that this knife is illegal.

And just to emphasize how stupid CBSA are, a tiny Sanrenu 7010 or 7076 (https://www.gearbest.com/pocket-knives-and-folding-knives/pp_202407.html) will be denied entry to the country while a Ganzo G803 (https://www.gearbest.com/fixed-blades-knives/pp_825180.html) will enter just fine :$

Since last year, I have had all my flipper purchases shipped to a family member in the US that I visit twice a year but I was shipping thumb stud deployment still to Canada.
A couple of weeks ago, I bought a spyderco Techno clone from Fasttech and a Loscha clone from AE as I was pretty confident that they would go through without issues. Now with these changes, if the packages get inspected, I won’t be getting the knives, sucks to be me.

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I would contact the seller and have the pivot screw tightened to the max. Most flippers have a strong detent so is not an issue.

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Actually, the strong detente IS the issue when they seize the knives under being “automatic”.
If the CBSA officer exercise the flipper tab, or now since 2 weeks ago, the thumb stud and the blade opens all the way into locking position, they seize the knife under being automatic (that’s what happened to my TwoSun TS-40).
About tightening the pivot, I haven’t tried but I have read reports of some knives still being seized like this by CBSA under the lines of “the pivot has been intentionally tempered with so the blade doesn’t open in order to disguise what would otherwise be a prohibited weapon”, although I would think that those would be a few isolated cases and most could go through, idk.
Edit: also, on most budget knives from China, most sellers wouldn’t even bother to touch the pivot and strip the “not-so-good-quality screws”.
On the other end, on a good quality ball bearing knife, there is just so much you can tighten the pivot, and most will still deploy up to the locking position using a combination of flipper/thumb stud + “flick of the wrist”.
In the end, I believe that CBSA will seize pretty much every knife they want if they want to.
Does it mean that every knife will be seized, no as they don’t inspect every package.
Do I believe that they will seize most of the knives that they will inspect, yes.

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You don’t want a knife on ball bearing to be tightened to much. The balls would leave dents in the washers or the titanium if it comes without steel washers.

How about shipping the knives disasembled as knife kits?
There’s a switchblade seller who ships their automatics as kits with all the parts except of the spring which comes in a seperate package.

Most knife collectors would disassemble their knives anyways, at least for cleaning or even for modding, so that should be no problem for most of the people.

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Two fixed blade arrive today Big Smile . I thought i have lost them.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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Adahn wrote:
You don’t want a knife on ball bearing to be tightened to much. The balls would leave dents in the washers or the titanium if it comes without steel washers.

How about shipping the knives disasembled as knife kits?
There’s a switchblade seller who ships their automatics as kits with all the parts except of the spring which comes in a seperate package.

Most knife collectors would disassemble their knives anyways, at least for cleaning or even for modding, so that should be no problem for most of the people.


Of course, anything is possible, it has been proven throughout history that no matter what is prohibited, there is always a way to get it.
But the point is that it shouldn’t be the case, especially since this is NOT the law, but only decisions and rules made by a bunch of bureaucrats in a room that have no authority to make these decisions. Their job is to prevent illegal or dangerous goods to enter the country as described by the Canadian law, not to modify what is written in the law to block whatever they want, only elected people can do that, which they are not.
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Adahn wrote:
You don’t want a knife on ball bearing to be tightened to much. The balls would leave dents in the washers or the titanium if it comes without steel washers.

How about shipping the knives disasembled as knife kits?
There’s a switchblade seller who ships their automatics as kits with all the parts except of the spring which comes in a seperate package.

Most knife collectors would disassemble their knives anyways, at least for cleaning or even for modding, so that should be no problem for most of the people.

Sounds like a good idea to me Smile

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I bought an Buck 679 clone from AE, And it was described on the customs declaration as a Screwdriver, A label had been stuck on the parcel saying that it did not meet EU regulations but i was still delivered unopened.

 

It was shipped from China to the UK.

 

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This happens when the people who make laws have to much time on their hands. I dont know if there has been some research why they ban these dangerous products but i think most people get stabbed by kitchen type knives..

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Nice but at these prices, they could have at least upgraded to 14C28N like they use on their Real Steel or use D2 or something.
At least the 7010 got upgraded a bit but still, quite expensive for what it is.
Hopefully, places like Gearbest or Fasttech would get them at a much more reasonable price but I wouldn’t hold my breath, this might be an exclusive to them, just like the previous 910 exclusive they have.
https://messerundco.de/Sanrenmu-Land-910-Plus-Exclusive-Taschenmesser-Si...

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I’m pretty impressed by the Sandvik steel on my 910+, now need for an update if a Ti version would appear on gb or ft.

I doubt though that it would be lighter as my 96g cf version Wink

The 7010 Ti would be interesting with a tip-up clip but I guess they’ll never do that…

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Tinderbox UK wrote:

I bought an Buck 679 clone from AE, And it was described on the customs declaration as a Screwdriver, A label had been stuck on the parcel saying that it did not meet EU regulations but i was still delivered unopened.


 


It was shipped from China to the UK.


 


John.

Hi John.,

The “EU regs” label is to do with shipping, not inspection. The Chinese sellers basically send a large parcel with many orders to, say, the Netherlands and then the individual orders are sent out from there.

Regards,

Paul

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scrumpypaul wrote:
Tinderbox UK wrote:

I bought an Buck 679 clone from AE, And it was described on the customs declaration as a Screwdriver, A label had been stuck on the parcel saying that it did not meet EU regulations but i was still delivered unopened.

 

It was shipped from China to the UK.

 

John.

Hi John., The "EU regs" label is to do with shipping, not inspection. The Chinese sellers basically send a large parcel with many orders to, say, the Netherlands and then the individual orders are sent out from there. Regards, Paul

 

Thank`s for the information.

 

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bdpf79 wrote:
Nice but at these prices, they could have at least upgraded to 14C28N like they use on their Real Steel or use D2 or something. At least the 7010 got upgraded a bit but still, quite expensive for what it is. Hopefully, places like Gearbest or Fasttech would get them at a much more reasonable price but I wouldn’t hold my breath, this might be an exclusive to them, just like the previous 910 exclusive they have. https://messerundco.de/Sanrenmu-Land-910-Plus-Exclusive-Taschenmesser-Si...

Yes prices are high but note that they charge €28 for an ordinary Land 9103. Same knife is regularly under €14 on Gearbest.
Therefore we can assume the Ti versions would be approx 2x cheaper if an Asian store like GB/FT could stock them.

It will be unfortunate if these are Europe-only exclusives. I would have thought that Chinese manufacturers don’t really respect exclusivity deals anyway, they sell to whoever pays.

Anybody know how to suggest to Gearbest that they try to stock these? (ie that they contact their supplier and inquire about it). I tried once with another knife but due to language barrier they had no idea what I was asking.

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varbos wrote:
bdpf79 wrote:
Nice but at these prices, they could have at least upgraded to 14C28N like they use on their Real Steel or use D2 or something. At least the 7010 got upgraded a bit but still, quite expensive for what it is. Hopefully, places like Gearbest or Fasttech would get them at a much more reasonable price but I wouldn't hold my breath, this might be an exclusive to them, just like the previous 910 exclusive they have. https://messerundco.de/Sanrenmu-Land-910-Plus-Exclusive-Taschenmesser-Si... Yes prices are high but note that they charge €28 for an ordinary Land 9103. Same knife is regularly under €14 on Gearbest. Therefore we can assume the Ti versions would be approx 2x cheaper if an Asian store like GB/FT could stock them. It will be unfortunate if these are Europe-only exclusives. I would have thought that Chinese manufacturers don't really respect exclusivity deals anyway, they sell to whoever pays. Anybody know how to _suggest_ to Gearbest that they try to stock these? (ie that they contact their supplier and inquire about it). I tried once with another knife but due to language barrier they had no idea what I was asking.

 

You could always ask in the GearBest deals thread.

 

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/33834

 

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Where is the best place to buy otf double action knifes?

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varbos wrote:
bdpf79 wrote:
Nice but at these prices, they could have at least upgraded to 14C28N like they use on their Real Steel or use D2 or something. At least the 7010 got upgraded a bit but still, quite expensive for what it is. Hopefully, places like Gearbest or Fasttech would get them at a much more reasonable price but I wouldn’t hold my breath, this might be an exclusive to them, just like the previous 910 exclusive they have. https://messerundco.de/Sanrenmu-Land-910-Plus-Exclusive-Taschenmesser-Si...

Yes prices are high but note that they charge €28 for an ordinary Land 9103. Same knife is regularly under €14 on Gearbest.
Therefore we can assume the Ti versions would be approx 2x cheaper if an Asian store like GB/FT could stock them.

It will be unfortunate if these are Europe-only exclusives. I would have thought that Chinese manufacturers don’t really respect exclusivity deals anyway, they sell to whoever pays.

Anybody know how to suggest to Gearbest that they try to stock these? (ie that they contact their supplier and inquire about it). I tried once with another knife but due to language barrier they had no idea what I was asking.

Yes, you can try what John just suggested above. I did that in the past for the Sanrenmu 9047 and they never got it.

You can also try to open a ticket and ask there.
On Fasttech, it’s a bit easier as they have a section dedicated to product requests.
The reason I mentioned that we might never see them as they might be European exclusives is because I did this on both FT and GB for their 910 exclusive a couple of months ago and they never got them, but it wouldn’t hurt to try.

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Andybibbville wrote:
Where is the best place to buy otf double action knifes?

Aliexpress, DHGate

Usually their search engine is kinda crap.
If you know the name of the clone you’re looking for, you might have a better chance to find them, like for example Troodon

They also tend to often put random names so it makes it harder for the original manufacturers to find them, so random searches usually lead to goof finds.
Here’s a cheap one that I found by entering another model “Scarab”
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Dropship-Microtech-616-Single-Tanto-fixe...

I know Fasttech has a couple as well

I bought these 2 from them a couple of years ago and they are quite good, they might have more now, you’ll need to search
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009055/1801300-stainless-steel-dou...
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1901/10012396/2108300

You can see my video of both of these knives here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygamQz0xQ9Y

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I'll be "praying" for you, Canada. Knives are actually my primary hobby and side-job, so this news about my poor Canadian brothers being misgoverned really upset me. We have a number of talented knifemakers and hobbyists whose small corner of the world contributes nothing to crime statistics and little financial impact; why any large gov't body has the time to fiddle with this amongst war and politics is beyond me. 

 

In the meantime, my hope is that this import restriction will light the needed fire under some Canadian butts to start making knives!!! Whether CNC or manual, there is still plenty of room left in this industry, especially in Canada. Pay the good Canadian men and women who make them, and nevermind importation laws. 

 

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Thanks for your support Jake.

Thankfully, this will not affect the knife industry in general, whether it be Canadian custom knife makers like Grimsmo or Production manufacturers like Spyderco or Benchmade as the knives ARE legal and can be purchased at any Canadian retail store without issues.
Who this will affect is the average Joe that wants to import the knife from outside Canada in order to save a buck and that will be stopped by these bureaucrats under some ridiculous interpretations of the actual law.

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Thank you bdpf79 I will check these out . I really enjoyed your video also .

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bdpf79 wrote:

Yes, you can try what John just suggested above. I did that in the past for the Sanrenmu 9047 and they never got it.

You can also try to open a ticket and ask there.


I’ve done the ticket thing before and they couldn’t understand what I was asking. They kept asking for a link to the product page on Gearbest.

There must be someone who is in charge of making purchasing/stock decisions and this person would presumably have a direct contact to Sanrenmu factory or distributor. But I think there is too many layers and language barriers to forward a stock suggestion to this person(s).

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I am located in CONUS. How is everyone paying for your orders on dhgate and aliexpress. I want to use PayPal, but its not an option. I have only had one order go through using privacy.com with a burner card. I have 8 orders that I can’t complete until I find a safer option to pay.

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Yeah, AE and DHG don’t take PP.
I think at one point they were taking Escrow and AliPay (similar to PP) but not sure if they still do it.

I have placed many orders on both these websites using CC and never had an issue. These are well-known and strong suppliers, especially AE.
If you’re still not comfortable, you could still use services like Entropay to create a virtual Visa card and use that. Pretty sure the service is free.

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I would say even if a seller takes PayPal, just use another payment method. I tried to buy a T12 soldering station kit and used PayPal and the order was cancelled by Aliexpress for some reason having to do with the new member coupon. The seller didn’t seem to understand the situation and I had to open a PayPal dispute since the money went directly to the seller and they have not issued a refund.

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Agree, if you go outside of their methods of payment, AE or DHG will do nothing (nor will Ebay), but otherwise, they have very good buyer’s protection (very similar to Ebay).

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Hi people. I’ve been visiting this forum for some time. It has been very helpful with budget EDC flashlights. Now I’m in search for some budget EDC knife/knives. What do you think about these 3 knives: Sanrenmu c97, Sanrenmu 7010 and Sanrenmu LAND 910 Plus? I love 7010, but I’m lefty, I guess it will feel a bit awkward holding it in left hand because pocket clip can’t be mounted on the opposite side, that’s why I stumbled across LAND 910 Plus which has option for moving pocket clip on the opposite side, but i see that 910 Plus is using different type of blade steel (12C27) than the 7010 and c97…Should I buy 910 Plus, is it good knife? Will 7010 be awkward to hold in left hand? This is my first time I’m interested in EDC knives, so I don’t know much about them…I’ll be using these knives for cutting paper, plastic, ropes, etc…nothing really abusive…

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