what is clicky/momentary switch ?

i orderd this QLITE REV.A 7135*8 driver a few days ago for some headlight mod im working on,
i wasnt think much about what kind of switch im gona use, till i read this post about switches.

my qustion is:
what is the different betwin clicky and momentary ?

i prefer to use a low current swich (like a PC restart switch) that will control the driver, this way i can direct solder the wires from the output of the driver to the input of the LED,
so the high current will not damage the switch, so i guess i shall ask, where do i need to solder the switch wires on the driver?

please help me to make sense out of this.
thanks

What you are describing is a momentary electronic switch. The switch is only closed while it is being pressed.

A clicky switch actually “clicks” into place so that the switch can remain closed after you remove pressure.

Search for “momentary qlite” or “momentary nanjg” for tips on your build. You would need special firmware to run it like that.

so what kind of switch originaly used with this qlite/nanjag?
if its not a momentary then i dont get how the clicky would swap mods, i mean if its “clicks” into place, then you need to double click it fast to swap mods?
and what about the current, the clicky have to bear all the high current?
thanks.

Clicky switch - Main current from the battery flows directly through the switch. Usually found in tailcaps where one side of the switch connects to the driver through the body of the light and the other connects to the anode of the battery. Because main current flows directly through the switch, the conductive portions of the switch need to be beefy enough to handle the current. Clicky switches have a rotating internal piece similar to that found in a pushbutton ballpoint pen that allows the light to stay on after it has been clicked. They come in 2 varieties: forward clicky and reverse clicky.

Forward clicky - when the light is off a partial press without clicking will turn the light on, but it will turn off when the button is released. Depressing the button all the way will allow it to stay on when the button is released. This is often used in “tactical” single-mode lights because it allows quick momentary on-off. It’s not so good for multi-mode lights because quick on-offs change the mode. It’s also not usually used in pocket EDC lights where accidental half-presses in the pocket could result in the light turning on when not intended.

Reverse clicky - the light only turns on when the button is fully depressed and clicks to the on position. There is no half-press from off like in a forward clicky. However, once the light is on half-presses are used to change modes. This is the most common switch type in budget lights.

Momentary switch - (sometimes called a tact switch) current only flows the switch while the button is held down. There is no rotating clicky mechanism that allows the switch to conduct current when the button is released. Because these switches are mechanically simpler than clickys, they are less likely to wear out and may take less space. A momentary switch strong enough to conduct main current from the battery is almost never used in today’s lights, though in theory you could mod a light to one and have it as a tactical light.

Electronic switch - (also known as an “E-switch”) an electronic switch is composed of a momentary switch and special electronic circuit either in the driver or the tailcap. Unlike with a pure momentary switch, main current does NOT flow directly through the switch. Instead the current bypasses the switch completely and keeps the switch or driver circuit powered at all times. The switch itself is merely an input used to tell the driver circuit what to do, similar to the keyboard on a computer. In order to use an E-switch with a light, you’ll need to make sure your driver board’s firmware is designed for it. E-switches have numerous advantages: they are mechanically simple, so should last longer than clickys, they can be very compact due to their simplicity and lack of need to carry heavy current, they are quiet and they allow a very fancy user interface not possible with a clicky. The biggest downside is because the circuit is powered at all times, it will drain a small amount of current from the battery even when the light is off.


Switch wiring:
In a clicky, typically, the + and - of the battery should be connected directly to the driver. The - usually goes through the body of the light to the contact ring at the edges of the driver. This usually passes through the switch in the tailcap. The driver will have it’s own driver wires on the top of the body that connect to the + and - of the LED.

A typical E-switch driver is connected the same way, except that there will be an extra wire from the driver that passes through the E-switch and is then connected to the body of the light.

Some very rare E-switch lights may have the E-switch in the tailcap with its own circuitboard. In that type the E-switch simply takes the place of the clicky and is connected just like a clicky.

i realy think this should be add in here or make it sticky.
im sure its quite obvious for many members here, but for me, its my first flashlight build that have mods so this info is a must,
(all my previous builds where a single mod with a basic on/off switch)
thanks!

if the E-switch setup will drain a some current from the battery even when the light is off,
is it possible to over disscharge the battery if left untuched for too long?
or the driver should cut off the battery at low volts ? (assuming the driver have the shutoff function)

yea sure, because this info is obvious to you, but for me, i wouldnt even new what search terms to use,
i mean: Forward clicky, Reverse clicky, Momentay, E-switch… for me they where all just switches until now :slight_smile:
while reading posts here, i always see members talking about clicky switches, but i assumed they just call it like this because of the clicky sound it dose, and its basicly ON/OF switch,
(without the half-press function)
that is why i was confused when i read that post about the dual-switch, up until that moment i was sure that i can just swap my stock flashlight driver (wich have an E-switch) with a Qlite and keep useing the same stock E-switch… :open_mouth:

no worry about my feathers lol, if anything it is me who need to apologies as my english isnt good, some times im having hard time to express my self but its always in good spirit :slight_smile:
but yea, i think it should be nice to have this info easly available as its essential if some one goin for even the most basic mod, wich is to replace the stock driver,
as for me, i will probably gona order a new driver, because i want to use E-switch on my headlamp and my current QLITE is not supporting this (no problem, will just keep this one for later mod)
hmm, i may even go with the dual-switch setup :slight_smile:
thanks.

this fenix look nice, cant you just replace it with a regular driver and a reverse clicky?

im not sure i can DIY dual switch ether, i sall dive in to it and find out, if its not require a firmware upgrade i shall manage (i cant program anything lol)

As with just about everything here it takes a bit of time to absorb all the info and unless you use it frequently it becomes confused. The way I finally remembered the forward/reverse thing was for a

forward clicky from off a half press is momentary on.

Reverse clicky from on a half press is momentary off.

Forward clickies are best for signalling with single mode lights.

Reverse clickies are best for multi mode lights but wars have started over preferences between the two so that’s just my personal take on them.

A dual switch is like two switches in one, a half press activates one circuit and a full press activates the other. Commonly used for camera shutter switches.

if use it for a Qlite, then a full press circuit have to carry the high current directly from the battery,
and the half press circuit have low current, just to swap mods, am i right so far?

i actualy plan on installing two separate/different switches,
a basic on/off high current switch attached to the headlamp battery case at the back of the head.
and then, on the side of the headband, attaching a momentary low current switch for the mods,
i think i will like it better when i dont have to carefuly half/press the mod switch and “risking” turn off the light if pressed too hard,
so if the mod switch is separate from the on/off switch, i can just full press it without haveing the turn off “risk”

A dual switch isn’t a high current switch, more of a fancy momentary single switch. For what you want to do a regular clicky(forward or reverse) capable of the current you want for main power then look into either a Qlite modded for momentary switch operation or the reset pin mod. Not sure who came up with that, maybe Match or JohnnyMac.

T-boon, what do you classify as high current? Many common reverse-clicky type switches can handle 3A acceptably well. With reverse clickies, it’s just a matter of getting used to the feel of the switch. You don’t have to be gentle or careful. If you happen to click the light off, click it back on. Practice.

WRT the headlamp, are you building it from scratch or modifying an existing light? If you want a driver that works with an electronic switch only, check out mtnelectronics.com RMM, the owner is an active contributor here.

high current will be the 3A at standart Qlite driver, the low current will be when reseting the MCU reset pin and ground, and can be used by few mA electronic switch (if i got this right)

im modifying the singfire headlamp but i guess i can say that im building most of it from scratch, as im useing only the zoom mechanism, will upload pics abit later.
thanks for the tip about the driver :slight_smile: