Nitecore EA11 CREE XM-L2(U2) 900lm

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Nitecore EA11 CREE XM-L2(U2) 900lm

http://www.banggood.com/Nitecore-EA11-CREE-XM-L2U2-900lm-Compact-EDC-Flashlight-p-961636.html

got a promo email from banggood and in it there was an offer of the Nitecore EA11 CREE XM-L2(U2) 900lm for $39.95, i was curious dispite my dislike of the company so i checked it out. Still not going to buy it.

1 × 14500

900lm – 30min
300lm – 45min
160lm – 1.5h
70lm – 2.5h
1lm – 12h

1 x AA

160lm – 45min
90lm – 2.15h
40lm – 2.45h
17lm – 3.45h
1lm – 10h

To me those look like very poor runtimes 1lm for 10 hours on AA sucks and only 30minute more runtime at 40lm than 90lm. The driver must suck goats oval objects, just confirms my personnel thoughts that nitecore is to be avoided.

In the interests of transparency i really dislike nitecore.

Edited by: wolf359 on 03/16/2015 - 23:59
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Refresh your browser a few time after you click through their link. Promo price will register once cookie is loaded.

wolf359 wrote:
... so i checked it out price was $54.95, not no but hell no...

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freeme wrote:

Refresh your browser a few time after you click through their link. Promo price will register once cookie is loaded.

wolf359 wrote:
… so i checked it out price was $54.95, not no but hell no…

you are correct i will amend my original post but i am still not going to buy it, my old fenix E12 offer better runtimes 1xAA, offically quoted runtimes 130lm – 1hr, 50lm – 3hrs, 8lm – 22hrs, but i get better than that eneloop white 1.5hr on high 4 hours on medium and didn’t bother to check low.

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EA11 is packed with more power and features than E12 (classic edc). E12 may have impressive for 22hrs runtime on AA spec, but I would prefer to have 900lm (with IMR) in my pocket. 

Note: I am not trying to convince you or anyone from getting one. Sealed

 

wolf359 wrote:
freeme wrote:

Refresh your browser a few time after you click through their link. Promo price will register once cookie is loaded.

wolf359 wrote:
... so i checked it out price was $54.95, not no but hell no...

you are correct i will amend my original post but i am still not going to buy it, my old fenix E12 offer better runtimes 1xAA, offically quoted runtimes 130lm - 1hr, 50lm - 3hrs, 8lm - 22hrs, but i get better than that eneloop white 1.5hr on high 4 hours on medium and didn't bother to check low.

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The price in getting from that link is $ 72.26 CAD. No promo price.

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never saw it at $39.95

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It is an email only offer - click from here (non-aff)

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A single AA with a 14500 option for real turbo and a standard holster is the format that I find the most useful for edc, as all my other lights are just sleeping soundly in their covers.

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I wonder how long it can maintain 900 lumens for without heat issues or stop down. Looks fairly impressive in my opinion…

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I wonder how long it can maintain 900 lumens for without heat issues or stop down. Looks fairly impressive in my opinion…

Just like my Eagletac D25A AA/14500, not much, but just long enough to see clearly, but the next lower mode is still good enough.

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Nitecore UK:

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A unique feature of the EA11 is the ability to use IMR rechargeable batteries, which unlock the full potential of this little light at 900 lumens. It can also be powered by standard primary AA alkaline or LiFePO4 batteries or rechargeable Li-ion battery. Maximum output is reduced to 160 lumens when used with AA batteries, still a very respectable output and great for emergency / backup situations

What is the benefit using IMR instead of ICR in this light? Does it really need an IMR to get maximum lumen? I thought that protected ICR was the safe way to go but now they recommend IMR. Do they even sell IMR? Hmm… It seems like a very nice light though, with very high output for such a small light. Just a little bit too expensive.

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Nitecore UK:
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A unique feature of the EA11 is the ability to use IMR rechargeable batteries, which unlock the full potential of this little light at 900 lumens. It can also be powered by standard primary AA alkaline or LiFePO4 batteries or rechargeable Li-ion battery. Maximum output is reduced to 160 lumens when used with AA batteries, still a very respectable output and great for emergency / backup situations
What is the benefit using IMR instead of ICR in this light? Does it really need an IMR to get maximum lumen? I thought that protected ICR was the safe way to go but now they recommend IMR. Do they even sell IMR? Hmm... It seems like a very nice light though, with very high output for such a small light. Just a little bit too expensive.

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Do they even sell 14500 IMR? Wink

Edit: I cannot find any IMR on Nitecore.com.
http://www.nitecore.com/productList.aspx?cid=25

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I picked up my EA11 at the end of March, and am very pleased with it. It came with an IMR. I wasn’t looking for super long run times. When I need long run times, I use a 18650 light.

It’s not my first Nitecore, but it intrigued me, so I picked it up. The instructions say that it will adjust the output, within twenty minutes, to avoid overheating. I used mine in the garage the other day, as I was looking up in the rafters for something; but probably not long enough to experience any step-down.

I’ve been using these EagleTac 14500 lithium ions in all of my other 14500 lights (See link below). They work beautifully, and are supposedly rated to 3+ amp loads:
http://www.illuminationgear.com/EagleTac-14500-750mAh-Li-Ion-Rechargeabl...

AW make a 14500 IMR:
http://www.oveready.com/battery-/batteries/aw-imr-14500-rechargeable-bat...

I also have Nitecore’s SRT-3, EA4, EC20, P12, 2 CB6 lights, an MT21a, and my personal favorite, for output and throw – the P25 (superb light).

I don’t seem to be able to post pictures directly here, from photobucket. What am I doing wrong?

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freeme wrote:

EA11 is packed with more power and features than E12 (classic edc). E12 may have impressive for 22hrs runtime on AA spec, but I would prefer to have 900lm (with IMR) in my pocket. 

Note: I am not trying to convince you or anyone from getting one. Sealed

 

wolf359 wrote:
freeme wrote:

Refresh your browser a few time after you click through their link. Promo price will register once cookie is loaded.

wolf359 wrote:
… so i checked it out price was $54.95, not no but hell no…

you are correct i will amend my original post but i am still not going to buy it, my old fenix E12 offer better runtimes 1xAA, offically quoted runtimes 130lm – 1hr, 50lm – 3hrs, 8lm – 22hrs, but i get better than that eneloop white 1.5hr on high 4 hours on medium and didn’t bother to check low.

I have an E11, myself; and it’s not a bad light, for something of that size. But – comparing apples with oranges doesn’t make sense. I don’t think there’s a Fenix light made that is compatible with 14500 batteries, or any other battery, for that matter, in that same form factor, that’s capable of that kind of output.

You know what they say about “the candle that burns twice as bright”… it’s certainly true here; but the output on this thing is tremendous, and is worth the sacrifice in reduced run time. The feature set is very impressive, as well.

Bottom line – the other poster doesn’t like the Nitecore brand. He happened to pick the smallest, most powerful light they make, but didn’t to take into consideration there are very few light companies mass producing a light of this power and form factor, anywhere close to this price range. I think it’s a positive step, for Nitecore, to offer such a light – and no, I’m not a Nitecore rep lol. I just happen to like their lights – enough to own nine of them, in various models/sizes/battery platforms.

Just out of curiosity @wolf359, what is it that you don’t like about Nitecore lights (aside from this particular model)?

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tatasal wrote:
lionheart_2281 wrote:
I wonder how long it can maintain 900 lumens for without heat issues or stop down. Looks fairly impressive in my opinion…

Just like my Eagletac D25A AA/14500, not much, but just long enough to see clearly, but the next lower mode is still good enough.

I’m curious, as well, how long the EA11 can maintain 900 lumen output, before stepping down; but I’m with you. The output is amazing, even if it only for a few minutes. 9000 candela and 190 meter throw out of a single 14500 (IMR) light is staggering.

Can anyone here think of a single other light, comparably sized and priced, that can deliver the same, for any amount of time?

Truly, this is a niche light. It’s not going to be for everyone. Moonlight mode enthusiasts are going to hate this light, because of the low run time at 1 lumen. There are plenty of lights that produce moonlight mode, in this form factor, but not too many that have this kind of output, as well.

If such a light exists, point me the way. I’ll buy it, without hesitation.

I still haven’t figured out how to post pictures here. In other forums, I merely copy the image link from photobucket and paste it into the post, and the images shows up, automatically resized to 800 × 600 (to conform with picture size limits on most forums.

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tatasal wrote:
A single AA with a 14500 option for real turbo and a standard holster is the format that I find the most useful for edc, as all my other lights are just sleeping soundly in their covers.

Agreed. My EA11 holster sits right next to my iPhone 5S and is practically invisible there (blends right in with the phone), and is extremely easy to access.

I’m also EDCing a ThruNite T10 (cool white) and T10 2014 edition – neutral (both running on 14500 lithim ions. Have to be careful not to run them for a few minutes at at time, because of the heat, but they work beautifully, but don’t come anywhere close to the output of the EA11.

I like the instant turbo, or instant low mode access, as well. Not sure how useful that flashing red light would be, but I didn’t’ buy if for that anyway lol. Mode memory is great – very handy Smile

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Saw it on GB. Got interested but a combination of 2 factors drove me away on 2nd reading of the specs…

- As OP said, the driver sucks goat. AA performance is retarded. I’d personally take the Neutron 2A V2 for the price.
- Got to buy a LION charger Big Smile

BUT it sure does look lovely. I love the looks of it.

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I would say, to those of you who are not happy about the performance of this light, using a AA (alkaline or NiMh) battery, it’s not worth wasting time or money, buying this light.

If, on the other hand, you are already running lights that use the 14500 battery, you already own a charger for these batteries, and you would like to have a super compact, super high output light, with many features, you may actually end up loving this light.

As I mentioned previously, this is not a super performer, when it comes to run times – but the output it’s capable of is pretty impressive.

If you love moonlight modes that can run for hundreds of hours,continuously, this is definitely not the light for you. The light is not touted as an AA performer; but a high output light (for which a 14500 IMR is recommended); but that is capable of running on AA batteries. Nitecore don’t make any false claims about overly-optimistic run times. In fact, their specs are pretty accurate. They tell you how it really is. I wish more light companies did this.

Edit – 04-12-15 – please see post #, in response to
(I tried to strike through all of what was written here, but it didn’t take, when I clicked on Save. Not sure why. Anyay, my initial (and incorrect) assessment can be found in MountainKing’s quote in post #20.

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textileRef:9937827625df58251ec19f:linkStartMarker:“First 6 minutes. ceilling Bounce, reference 100% is NiMH Eneloop Max. value. The 14500 Nitecore NL147 ok, best for IMR AW.
from “ banggood Not aff”:http://www.banggood.com/es/Nitecore-EA11-CREE-XM-L2U2-900lm-Compact-EDC-Flashlight-p-961636.html

I’m testing with NiMH complete runtime, and 20 minutes with NL147 Nitecore and IMR AW.

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david57strat wrote:

If the 2A V2 was capable of the same output, with better run times, with just one AA, I’d actually buy one. I like ThruNite lights, myself (have the T10 (cool white), T10 2014 Edition (neutral), the T20 (neutral – running on a 16340 battery), the Catapult V2 (2 18650), and the whooping TN30 (3 18650 batteries – a real flood monster.

If you decide to not use the extender on the 2A V2, you’ll only get 408 lumens out of it. That’s a significant difference in output, as compared to the 900 lumens from the EA11.

Based on the specifications found on the Thrunite site, with the use of 1 AA NiMh battery, it only outputs 3600 candela, with a 120 meter throw range, as opposed to 9000 candela, and 190 meter throw of the EA11; also a very significant difference.

God, you have to read actual reviews before commenting…
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff97/selfbuilt/2014/1A-FL1-Summary2.gif

It outputs 810 lumens on a 14500….Is extendable to 2AA, the 1AA does 480 lumens and the other high to moonlight modes runs forever.

SB full review:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?389222

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I feel badly. Thank you for bringing Selfbuilt’s review to my attention, MountainKing.

In looking through Thrunite’s website, I found no mention of the Neutron 2A’s ability to run on a 14500 battery, or (naturally) the increased output that would be afforded, through the use of that battery.

Selfbuilt’s reviews are always top drawer. He’s thorough, honest, and without a doubt, a first rate, credible reviewer, who’s been around for a while. I love reading/watching his light reviews, and trust his judgment implicitly.

Selfbuilt pointed out that, using the 14500 battery, according to his tests, the Neutron 2A V2 is capable of 810 lumens, with 9,600 candela, and a 196 meter beam range. That is amazing, and definitely makes it a viable contender for the EA11, with three added bonuses:

  1. If you don’t happen to have 14500 batteries available, but still need the high output, you can attach the included extender, just use 2 regular AA batteries, and not lose the high output. This could be considerably convenient, in a pinch.
  2. the moonlight (and low settings) run times on this V2 are superior to that of the EA11.
  3. the light is available in a neutral white version! ThruNite use a wonderful neutral white emitter (I use that version in my T10 2014 Edition, and my T20 – excellent tint!).

I tried to strike through my incorrect assumptions I made in Post #18 (since I hadn’t yet read the selfbuilt review), but they didn’t take, so I deleted them. I wish I had done my due diligence and read this review, first.

Hindsight…

Sorry, MountainKing (tail between legs).

Now, what I’d like to know is – why hasn’t ThruNite mentioned that the 14500 can be used in the Neutron 2A V2 successfully, and that the additional power would be gained, using this single 14500? That would certainly be a tremendous selling point with high performance battery users who wanted that output with just one battery, wouldn’t it? True, they do mention the working voltage range with a high end of 5 volts, but nothing else about the possibility of using the much superior 14500 battery in their light.

Whyyyy?

In any case, I will definitely be picking up a Neutron 2A V2, to add to the 14500 collection. Thanks, MountainKing. Your points were well-made, and graciously received :D.

No hard feelings, I hope.

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I add runtime for 21 minutes with 3 types of batteries. Surface temperature flashlight with lithium use. Voltage at the the end of the Test of 21min. (of each Lithium battery).

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Some very useful information there. Thanks for posting this, Trevi-lux!

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@david57strat: No hard feelings bro Big Smile Not that I a thrunite fan or anything but that Neutron V2 is jaw dropping for me to be honest….
As you said the voltage input says up to 5V which is fine for lions. Personally, this means that 1×14500 is fine but with the extender, there could have been cases of people using either to test/or by mistake 2×14500 cell in it thereby frying the driver or something?
This is the only reason I can think of. To limit its liability!
The Neutral version is so awesome as you said! Bought one for my broand I have been fighting the urge to buy one for myself for quite some time. When my quark died, I was happy to get one but 47 repaired it free of charge with the newer XML L2 head :P. So I can’t justify the purchase yet!

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I am checking now the 1 Lumen runtime of Ultralow mode with eneloop.
At the moment 12 hours ( on User Manual, say 10 h. and “on”…)

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The 1lm for 10 hours on 1 eneloop makes no sense to me, that would mean the EA11 uses 200mA to make 1lm.

ThruNite Archer 1A V2 uses AA and 14500, 180lumen using one Ni-Mh AA battery. $36.95 for the XP-L V6 CW version and $29.95 for the XP-G2 NW version.

Modes & Run-time:
Firefly:0.055lumen(408hours)
Low:17lumen(22hours)
Medium:75lumen(5hours)
High:180lumen(115minutes)
Strobe:180lumen(3.5hours).

Selfbuilts review
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?400041

I have the 2 x AA version of this light and really like it bought 2 of the XP-G2 NW version sofar, may buy one of the XP-L V6 CW versions just so i have one. Then i will buy some Archer 1A V2’s to round out my AA lights for the year.

We really need to give selfbuilt his own sub forum here so we do not have to post CPF links

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wolf359 wrote:
The 1lm for 10 hours on 1 eneloop makes no sense to me, that would mean the EA11 uses 200mA to make 1lm.

At the moment 18 hours… and flashlight is “on”.

EDIT:
18;30 min. intensity begins to fall relatively quickly. 18h. 45 minutes flashlight OFF

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Trevi_lux wrote:
wolf359 wrote:
The 1lm for 10 hours on 1 eneloop makes no sense to me, that would mean the EA11 uses 200mA to make 1lm.

At the moment 18 hours… and flashlight is “on”.

EDIT:
18;30 min. intensity begins to fall relatively quickly. 18h. 45 minutes flashlight OFF


That’s a reasonable amount of time for one 1.2V cell.

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ThruNite Archer 1A V2 NW on Low of 15lumen for 22hours i find much more reasonable than the nitecore, also the Thrunite is much more reasonably priced. For $5 more than the cost of the nitecore i can get 2 of the ThruNite Archer 1A V2 NW’s.

Thank you Trevi_lux for doing the runtime test, i find it strange that the runtime for 1lm was so understated 18hrs is much better than 10hrs. Makes me wonder about the other runtimes they stated.

But as with everything it is personnel choice for me the ThruNite Archer offers far more VFM than the Nitecore in both cost and runtimes. Then there are those that value the burst of 900lm of the Nitecore more highly, to me it looks like they skewed the driver towards the 900lm top end to the detrement of the lower modes, but i am no expert.

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